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<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> got awful quiet in here
<[TheBug]> must be the night to hang out with the wives
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> dinner + kids time + my weekly playing video games night
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<[TheBug]> haha
<[TheBug]> I saw you avoid my question there
<[TheBug]> ducked right under it like RichNeese
<[TheBug]> Be the spoon.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> which one
<[TheBug]> [17:26] <[TheBug]> piter75: what would it take for me to get you and Tony to fix mini-DP output in mainline for RockPi 4c -- I got $100 on it ;p
<[TheBug]> [17:27] <[TheBug]> what is the bounty that will motivate you guys, haha
<[TheBug]> [17:28] <[TheBug]> inviting you both to my house for a bar-b-que? Some steaks and beer?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ah that one
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well the release is finished
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I can look at it
<[TheBug]> haha
<[TheBug]> nice
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think we have conflicting drivers going on as part of the issue
<[TheBug]> let me know you beer preference and ill see if I can arrange something, LOL
<[TheBug]> or maybes some steaks
<[TheBug]> or you come here and I take you out to dinner ;p
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: was thinking about starting some maker space here -- do you know of any that already exist here, I am not even sure what the University has?
<[TheBug]> but I don't ever hear of any public maker space here at least
<[TheBug]> was thinking to get some place in Westover maybe and setup a small Armbian DC/ Maker space lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't know of any. Same up here where I live now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha Westover is cheap I guess
<[TheBug]> and now should have gigabit fiber
<[TheBug]> which is the bigger point
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That is true
<[TheBug]> comcast's 'gigabit' service blows as no upload at all
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yep
<[TheBug]> and they want 300$ a month for 2Gbit/2Gbit business fiber + costs to run fiber from central to address
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And the entire city was fed by a single trunk, so when the students are in town, done
<[TheBug]> actually
<[TheBug]> with the fiber they have to Carnegie melon
<[TheBug]> there are a few links to here
<[TheBug]> just not public traffic
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol well I was talking public 😉
<[TheBug]> thats why WVU always had high speed internet to all their dorms and stuff and didn't have to go 10mbit
<[TheBug]> shit you used to be able to walk into any WVU library
<[TheBug]> even as not a student
<[TheBug]> walk into one of the computer desks
<[TheBug]> hook up
<[TheBug]> get dhcp ip and 100Mbit
<[TheBug]> it was sweet
<[TheBug]> was the fastest internet in the city for a long time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm sure
<[TheBug]> all that wonderful dark fiber to the super computer center
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Hahaha
<[TheBug]> but I think WVNet actually has multipath not
<[TheBug]> but if you know anything about WVNet its again I believe mostly gov related
<[TheBug]> s/not/now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I wasn't down there all that long, spent my time in Sabraton and drank at the fishbowl
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: but I think WVNet actually has multipath now
<[TheBug]> hehe
<[TheBug]> Well once this covid shit calms down you should make your way down here for a game or something
<[TheBug]> ill see if I can get you box seats ;0
<[TheBug]> I might know someone ;p
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I knew one of the waitresses at the Fishbowl too. 😆
<[TheBug]> if y ou care at all for football / basketball that is
<[TheBug]> I prefer basketball but always happy to go to a WVU football game, haha
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<[TheBug]> well
<[TheBug]> I should be around this weekend anyways, on call
<[TheBug]> so if you get to feeling froggy and need someone to test
<[TheBug]> just let me know
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> armbian focal cinnamon rockpro64: perfect experience
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> cinnamon on RK3399 is nice
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> yep!
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I tested this same setup on the rockpi4, I just set the propper dtb. found that my emmc connector is broken 😦
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the sd card reader on the rockpi4 series, and mostly any non friendly arm rk3399 is slow as fuck
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> Why DRM_FORMAT_NV30 patches removed from 5.14 kernel on rk3399? https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/3097 I don't see DRM_FORMAT_NV30 in mainline kernel, only DRM_FORMAT_NV15: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_fourcc.c#L257
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<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> and looks like rk3288 did not have this patches: https://github.com/armbian/build/tree/master/patch/kernel/archive/rockchip-5.14
<[TheBug]> NeonFetch: not my experience, if you have a good card performance is pretty good on RocpPi 4C I have one running from a 128GB A1 V30 card and its not bad at all
<[TheBug]> the emmc is a bit faster though
<[TheBug]> you do need a good card with good random IOPs though
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I am testing the "same" sd card
<[TheBug]> okay and what kind of card is it?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> does it matter?
<[TheBug]> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> if its the SAME?
<[TheBug]> or i wouldn't have asked?!
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> sandisk ultra A1
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but again
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> the SAME sd card
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> runs more than 3x better on the T4 compared to the rockpro64
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> and the rockpi4
<[TheBug]> I am not debating the readers are different, only that the performance is more than reasonable
<[TheBug]> but I digress
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> 24MB/s?
<[TheBug]> Well I will say this, my access time is way lower on my card than what yours reported, though I do see it seems to hit a 24M/sec hard limit using that gnome-disk benchmark tool
<[TheBug]> let me test emmc and see
<[TheBug]> wow, I won't deny thats a bit eye opening
<[TheBug]> seeing the emmc do 180M/sec and the SDcard only 24M/sec
<[TheBug]> that said I have been running desktop off sdcard and not really seen any huge lags yet
<[TheBug]> random io seems good enough to handle that at least
<[TheBug]> but if your getting 80M/sec out of sdcard on T4 that is impressive
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so it's not UHS for some reason
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> indeed, armbian is amazing even on the worst conditions
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> but that doesnt deny the fact that the sd card reader on the T4/m4v2 humiliates the rest
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hang on
<[TheBug]> hrmm crap I need to remember how to fix PCIe overlay again for RockPro64 for 5GT/S on this new board..
<[TheBug]> hmm
* [TheBug] goes to find his preedited dtb
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: You left me hangin bro
<[TheBug]> s/me/us
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: Tonymac32: You left us hangin bro
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<archetyp> --Hallo
<ArmbianHelper> Hello [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Wann können Besitzer vom ROCK Pi 4 Model B mit einem funktionierenden Bullseye + Lima + Panfrost + Kodi rechnen?
<ArmbianHelper> When can owners of the ROCK Pi 4 Model B expect a working Bullseye + Lima + Panfrost + Kodi? [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Vielleicht im nächsten Jahr?
<ArmbianHelper> Maybe next year? [de~>eng]
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<archetyp> --Welcher andere unterstützte SBC kann das unter Armbian jetzt schon?
<ArmbianHelper> Which other supported SBC can do that under Armbian? [de~>eng]
<archetyp> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<IgorPec> archetyp why are you asking us this question?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> We don't do kodi
<IgorPec> owners of rockpi4 should ask people that took their money why they also don't support open source never ever donated a cent toward our operation https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_FAQ/#development-time
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<lanefu> You know maybe we should put some sort of icon on the download page to show which vendors and donated financially
<lanefu> Like you could literally filter SBC by whos contributed
<IgorPec> or just leave those as "unsupported" ?
<IgorPec> even that would not be the bnest
<lanefu> Odroid has a bias of being supported despite not funding
<IgorPec> but not sure if that would change perception on users questions such as that before
<IgorPec> direct relation is probably not the best way
<lanefu> It might change their perception on what the next SBC they buy
<IgorPec> that's for sure
<IgorPec> but perhaps we should place sponsor right there ? :)
<IgorPec> like if you are going to download radxa, you will see "Sponosred by Orangepi"
<lanefu> I think that's a little fucked up
<IgorPec> well, anyone can advertise
<lanefu> But more like make it easier for people to support vendors who support armbian
<IgorPec> its complicated question - how to make it right and not shoot in the knee at the same time
<lanefu> Like if I'm about to buy 500 SBCs for whatever product I'm gonna build and I'm looking for something that has a decent level of armbian support and of I'm choosing between 2 and I see one has supported armbian somehow I'm gonna choose them
<IgorPec> so then we have to cut down support for those since currently nobody knows
<IgorPec> or like vendor assesement. potential money from them is just one small thing
<sunshavi> LTS's support
<IgorPec> a) vendor respect GPL, b) support Armbian c) supports other projects, d) ...
<lanefu> yeah i mean we can like do badges lol
<lanefu> but focusing on indicating whos' funding us
<lanefu> like similar to our foour where we have 3 categories of supporter
<lanefu> or how linux foundation has silver gold and platinum members
<IgorPec> yes
<lanefu> we can kind of indicate on levels like that
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Badges for blobs too. 😆
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> For RPi level blobs they get this badge:
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Amlogic just gets a shame on you this is pointless badge
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think copper -> platinum vendor contribution badges work.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Hahaha
<archetyp> --Mist ich bin eingeschlafen
<ArmbianHelper> Shit I fell asleep [de~>eng]
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<archetyp> --Fragte dies nur, um zu erfahren ab wann ich Buster mit aktuellem Kernel installieren kann.
<ArmbianHelper> Just asked this to find out when I can install Buster with the latest kernel. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> IgorPec
<stipa> i guess there's new ubuntu or smthn
<archetyp> --Lima, Kodi und Panfrost sollten aber ihren Arbeit tun, tun sie meines Wissens nach nicht.
<ArmbianHelper> Lima, Kodi and Panfrost should do their job, as far as I know they don't. [de~>eng]
<stipa> they're waiting someone to pay probably
<archetyp> --Sorry, nicht Buster, sondern Bullseye.
<ArmbianHelper> Sorry, not Buster, but Bullseye. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Ihr solltet es vielleicht besser auf der Webseite kennzeichnen, also bei weichen SBCs Lima, Kodi und Panfrost funktionieren.
<ArmbianHelper> You should perhaps better mark it on the website, so it works with soft SBCs Lima, Kodi and Panfrost. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Es ist eine Qual dies herauszufinden.
<ArmbianHelper> It is agony to find out. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Ups
<ArmbianHelper> Ups [en~>eng]
<archetyp> --welchen
<ArmbianHelper> which [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --Nicht weich
<ArmbianHelper> Not soft [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Hallo archetyp, Lima is for the Mali4xx family so you don't need that one
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Panfrost yes :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The topic here is VPU. The driver for that is still not ready in mainline
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So video decode is CPU with mainline
<archetyp> --Danke für die Antwort :)
<ArmbianHelper> Thanks for the answer :) [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <S​pectre> Tonymac32 thanks again for that link (rkvdec) explains much of what I was seeing (name change to IP vendor vs SOC vendor) Just wish I had seen it 2 weeks ago. 😉
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<e3ef13f4ff44> is the wifi working on the opi zero 2? i see it's stable now
<e3ef13f4ff44> i mean the built in WiFi :P
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<IgorPec> e3ef13f4ff44: it is working with legacy kernel, mainline, no
<archetyp> --Legacy, der beste Kernel, weil nur mit ihm alles funktioniert.
<ArmbianHelper> Legacy, the best kernel because everything works with it. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> :->
<IgorPec> not completly true ;) but yes, more hw related features work
<IgorPec> but you don't want to run any serios things on it
<[TheBug]> well the issue comes down to stability archetyp - a lot of the legacy kernels are hacked up a lot to make those features work which can result in instability in some cases
<IgorPec> and nobody supports them
<archetyp> --Mein ROCK Pi 4 läuft sehr stabil. :-)
<ArmbianHelper> My ROCK Pi 4 runs very stable. :-) [de~>eng]
<[TheBug]> This is true it does run pretty well on rk3399 the images that are made
<[TheBug]> but there are still some features which can cause instability
<[TheBug]> you just haven't hit one yet thankfully ;)
<[TheBug]> archetyp: a better example would be for example if you instead of using Armbian, use the Radxa default debian image that includes mini-DP support (assuming 4c) and you would quickly find if you were using mini-dp screen that does work on their image, the drivers a huge hack and crashes
<[TheBug]> thats just one example I can come up off top of head
<[TheBug]> but there are some other things like that
<archetyp> --Ernsthafte Sachen sind bei mir TV und Video sowie DVDs, neben anderem.
<ArmbianHelper> Serious things with me are TV and video as well as DVDs, among other things. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> --was verstehst du unter ernsthaften Sachen, Igor?
<ArmbianHelper> what do you mean by serious things, Igor? [de~>eng]
<archetyp> TheBug:
<e3ef13f4ff44> IgorPec: is nftables fixed?
<e3ef13f4ff44> fixed/available
<archetyp> --Ich nutze hier zum Glück Armbian.
<ArmbianHelper> Luckily I use Armbian here. [de~>eng]
<IgorPec> what strange questin is this?
<IgorPec> download and see. how should i know that
<IgorPec> linux kernel has thausands of features
<e3ef13f4ff44> ok, i'll check later
<e3ef13f4ff44> IgorPec: it should be built in with default kernel settings, it was disabled last time i tried it :P
<IgorPec> i don't recall enabling them and if nobody else did, they are not enabled
<IgorPec> anyone can propose changes to the code. telling me/us what to do can easily need several years
<e3ef13f4ff44> :D
<IgorPec> that is reality which folks forget. there are just a few maintainers of this complex system
<IgorPec> and thasands of spoiled asses expecting that everything works ;)
<[TheBug]> e3ef13f4ff44: the better way to approach this is to say: I have problem X, anyone have this problem -- if no one says yes, then best way to address is to post on to forum your issue
<e3ef13f4ff44> okay :)
<[TheBug]> e3ef13f4ff44: this allows community to try and help and then if it stays an issue we can then add to internal
<IgorPec> just do it. since forum post will probably stay in the same inactive state
<IgorPec> you need nftables or whatever. make sure that its there. https://docs.armbian.com/Process_Contribute/
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<[TheBug]> G'day sunshavi
<sunshavi> Hey TheBug.
<sunshavi> how is everything going?
<[TheBug]> its going (thanks for asking), how are you today?
<[TheBug]> ;)
<sunshavi> pretty good
<[TheBug]> good to hear
<[TheBug]> finally getting some time to play around with stuff again today... still have the OPi PC sitting by from other night, haven't gotten to mess too much yet.. so thats on my list
<sunshavi> take your time.
<[TheBug]> ;)
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> For rockpi4 I would use armbian focal or hirsute on cinnamon. Those are proven to work excellent on my testing
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Mostly for every rk3399 on armbian
<[TheBug]> I am guessing he went with legacy for VPU
<archetyp> --Ich muss bei Legacy mit selbst installiertem Enlightenment bleiben, sonst kein Video.
<ArmbianHelper> I have to stay with Legacy with Enlightenment installed myself, otherwise no video. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Ohh legacy. A nightmare with video acceleration haha
<archetyp> --Grundsätzlich funktioniert Video auch mit Xfce, aber dort mit zeitweisen Störungen.
<ArmbianHelper> Basically video also works with Xfce, but there with intermittent problems. [de~>eng]
<archetyp> Hu !?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> The armbian helper does an excellent job
<archetyp> --Es funktioniert aber hier sehr gut mit Legacy.
<ArmbianHelper> But it works very well here with Legacy. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> No problem archetyp, it's just that I am a panfrost supporter
<archetyp> --Dachte Panfrost wäre nur für 3D zuständig?
<ArmbianHelper> Did Panfrost only do 3D? [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> For me, having mesa is the definition of a good sbc. But yeah, would be excellent to have VPU. The only step that would let as to compete with x86 on the desktop market
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Panfrost only accelerate graphics, yes, no relation with the VPU
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Also called video decoding/encoding acceleration
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> VPU it's "vision processing unit" to be fair..
<archetyp> --Bei Legacy macht Lima das noch.
<ArmbianHelper> Lima still does that with Legacy. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> You mean that you can use lima with legacy kernel? That's odd...
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I dont know when Lima was merged
<archetyp> --Was ist der Unterschied zwischen GPU und VPU? Gibt es überhaupt einen?
<ArmbianHelper> What is the difference between GPU and VPU? Is there even one? [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> GPU does the graphics, VPU the media decoding/encoding
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> @NeonFetch did you test panvk?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Nope. If its not merged its bc it's not usable
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I would like to try it, mostly bc of dxvk
<archetyp> --Ich bin nicht mehr sicher, ob Lima das macht, weil die Installation hier schon länger zurückliegt.
<ArmbianHelper> I'm no longer sure whether Lima will do that because it was installed a long time ago. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Gallium9 should be faster.. but Icecream95 won't continue that work. Alyssa pulled down his PRs
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Just install mesa-utils and do glxinfo -B
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Okay then. We will see..
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> And I can install and check in with ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers (it has armhf and arm64 builds): https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers/+build/22065722
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> But currently it crashs on simple vkcube on my rk3288
<archetyp> --Bei mir ist mesa-utils installiert und einige Programme haben 3D Beschleunigung, nicht alle.
<ArmbianHelper> I have mesa-utils installed and some programs have 3D acceleration, not all. [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Send glxinfo -B to me, private massage
<archetyp> --Hier läuft übrigens Buster. :)
<ArmbianHelper> By the way, this is where Buster is running. :) [de~>eng]
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I use oibaf too for both 32 and 64 bit
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Its really handy
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Bc crosscompiling mesa each time would be a mess
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I post tickets quite frequently and its really handy to do update/upgrade to note if they are solved or not
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I post too many tickeys. I am at the edge of being banned 😋
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Hahahaah
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> tickets = bug reports or where did you post it?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Yes
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Mesa issue tracker
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> They are okay with bugs. But when the bugs involve performance issues.. then they are not that happy
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Native apps like xash3d perform like shit on panfrost
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> They never took a look at that one
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Xash3d is used to run half life 1
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> I know
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> And it runs great on very low end devices
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Rpi4 low end level
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> I run re3 and some doom 3 engine on panfrost
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Well, doom3 was decent
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> it runs, but not so good about 1/2 year ago
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> If you found a regression in performance then you should make a ticket
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> You can compile an old.mesa
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Witha different prefix
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Preload it
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> And compare the results
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Also
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> If you use xfce
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Swtich to xpresent
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Its mandatory
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> no, I use LXQt
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> different prefix like: -Dprefix="$MESA_INSTALLDIR"
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Yes
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> ok. thanks!
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I use it on home/user/mesa
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Then you make an script or just export
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> exec env \ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/prefix/lib \ LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=$HOME/prefix/lib \ GBM_DRIVERS_PATH=$HOME/prefix/lib \ $@
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> If you dont use gbm then its not needed
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Check forst with glxinfo -B to chdck acceleration and version
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q27RBxQsVG/ - my current glxinfo -B on rk3288
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't looked at the Tinker Board images in a long time, since I brought htat board up I should probably take better care of it
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> Tinker Board is the only sbc, that I have, so if you need some tests on it - ping me
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Good. Then compile your 32 bit mesa (at the end its the same bc tk 1 is 32 but only) and preload it with glxibfo -B to check that it's working and also that you are utilizing your old version of mesa that you compiled instead of your system one
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