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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> so have any of you tested the budgie /cinnamon/xfce current release ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> need feed back on the desktops if you guys have time to pull and test
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> Thanks for time and support
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> So far cinnamon is excellent
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> I need to test it on the rockpi4
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Checked on the T4 and the rockpro64
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> I can't use any other desktop environment after this experiences
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Everything just works, the only missing thing was just the sensors for the temp applet ans I believed you already checked that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> haha it is pretty smooth
<archetech>
I dont see the point of cinn
<archetech>
just use full gnome
<steev>
i like budgie
<lanefu>
i like windowmaker
<steev>
i too liked the 80s
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> cocaine was a hell of a drug
<[TheBug]>
indeed
<steev>
still is
<archetech>
days of Santana Persuasion
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> whenever someone says they liked the 80's that's my only reply just to get some laughs
<archetech>
the music is not be mocked
<archetech>
the music is not to be mocked it hasnt been equaled ever
<steev>
oh i was just being sarcastic because of windowmaker's.... graphics
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I know haha
<steev>
that said, i'll give the budgie desktop a whirl on the nanopct4
<steev>
does 5.14 enable the mipi dsi yet?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I think it's possible
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> but I have not tried it
<archetech>
dont make me que up Mississippi Queen .... too late
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> if you know what I mean
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: did you get DP over USB-C working on RockPro64 ( I am guessinig MiniDP never got fixed yet on RockPi 4c yet, huh?)
<steev>
i try every new kernel :)
<archetech>
she taught me everything
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> overlays are not working on the m4
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> from armbian-config
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> steev do you have any device tree bindings for that? they usually lag significantly behind the driver support
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> wut
<steev>
mmm, probably not
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> did they work on the T4 or anything else?
* archetech
is building Gnome 41 RC 1
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> well I am testing the m4 right now
<steev>
i didn't think it was needed since the rpi doesn't need it for its :(
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and if you go into armbian-config > system > hardware it errors os
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol the RPi is taking full advantage of not being a Linux computer. The GPU does stuff in secret
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> out
* [TheBug]
stares at Tonymac32
<steev>
kinda true
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it goes by so fast in the error I can nto read
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the only way it doesn't need device tree entries is either it's doing it in user space (what?!?!), or the Videocore is handling it magically
* [TheBug]
starts chucking Broken RockPi X's in Tonymac32's direction
<steev>
it works with mainline even, as long as you blacklist vc4
<steev>
once vc4 takes over, it kinda forgets it is there
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> but to be fair I just like poking fun at the Microsoft ThreadX based system
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> [TheBug] needs to stop breaking RockPi X's
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I had to do some open heart surgery on a potential stability issue on RK3328 for the last release 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so I didn't get to the Mini-DP just yet
<steev>
i do have the 11.1" lcd from felec for the t4 just... haven't used it in forever since mipi dsi not working with mainline
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it might be a 5.13.x kernel issue and the m4 has not had 5.14.2 edge kernel added in yet
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> that 11.1 is probable EDP
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> that has drivers, I just haven't worked on it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ducks swing from Rich
<steev>
maybe its edp
<archetech>
will Armbian ever get it's act together ?
<steev>
it's the little connector right next to the post
<steev>
probably not archetech. better to go with a real distro like arch
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it worked fine after a reboot
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> archetech go back to listening to music. I don't have enough time to argue with you and fix the things you're complaining about
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> nm
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<archetech>
6 devs runnin in opposite directions
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> more than 6 platforms. Bound to happen
<steev>
you offering them some money to run in the direction you want?
<archetech>
its like a monkey f'in a football
<steev>
i'm very lucky i guess, because all of the boards i have, have run armbian quite splendidly
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The football ain't complaining
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> fingering
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
* archetech
LOL's
<archetech>
SRV House is a Rockin
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok well loading overlays seems to break the m4
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> hmm
<steev>
will the T4 boot from nvme or nah?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> which one? or any?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I loaded the pci overlay
<steev>
i haven't looked at u-boot at all recently
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I loaded 4
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> and not its not loading up
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> steev it will boot from eMMC and mount root on NVMe like any other RK3399
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I can't remember if it has SPI flash or not
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> if it has SPI it can boot spi and have root on NVMe
<steev>
i can't remember either
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> thats what I have done on the m4 but now its broke
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I did that on my Renegade Elite which is awesome
<archetech>
Tony I only asked ya to build a frickin patched kernel for the N2 too hard I know
<steev>
build it yourself
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> looks like overlays cause issues
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> patched for what? I haven't built an N2 kernel in years
<archetech>
and that was others not me
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> booting sd and rm overlays
<archetech>
and that was for others not me
<archetech>
so they could run kde and gnome
<archetech>
so dont pin nuttin else on me
<archetech>
Bring it on Home LZ
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I relegated my N2 to HomeAssistant, waiting on a better board with as much compute. I got mad about it bootlooping with too many USB devices (meaning a wifi and a flash drive) due to voltage drop (measured). And my brain is wired wrong so when something puts me off like that I basically bury it.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> like the Rockchip64 kernel for a couple years
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> refused to even look at it
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok it seems there is some issues of using btrfs and loading nvme and then switching on the pice gen2 overlay
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it breaks the install
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> that's why I asked 🙂
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> also does it on the sd
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> pcie gen2 can crash a machine that can't actually support it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> and doing PCIe over pin headers is baaaaaaddddddd
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> so thats somethign we have to look at
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lots of parasitics
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm curious how the rockchip and the mainline drivers compare for link training
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> well I know we need to get the 5.14.2 on the m4 for testing
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> as there where some updates
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> you know this, eh? 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> there is a PR for 5.14 Igor was working on
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so if it hasn't been merged it should be soon
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> which fixes did you have your eye on?
<lanefu>
i saw some post where 5.14 broke something
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I was, interestingly enough, keeping an eye on the CSI drivers
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lanefu of course it did. Always does
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 5.14.10 or so should be "safe" 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> when they get all the "oops" out
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I have 5.14.2 on my riscv board and its running great
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> so we will see here also
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yeah, I mean diesel runs great in my freightliner, but not in my F150
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Risc-V is an entirely different beast. Glad to hear it's running well though
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> but looking it seems 5.13 has had issues alot
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> but I figure they would wrok them out
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> brb I have to reflash a sd and reload the m4
<lanefu>
yeah "they" need to get on top of things :P
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> thinks lanefu is on a 5.13.x kernel and needs updating
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> stays on LTS kernels and watches everything else burn
<lanefu>
yeah im mostly 5.10 :P
<lanefu>
i think my pinebook is 5.13
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> i just test edge to see what breaks
<steev>
richneese: about the only thing i can think re: budgie desktop... it would be nice if there was a dark theme available on install?
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> its fun that way on test devices
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it should be there
<lanefu>
well probably some of my worker nodes are
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> it should have a dark mode
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I will grab it and check in a min
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> pulling the budgie img now
<steev>
ah
<steev>
i was thinking a numix dark, not adwaita :)
<steev>
sorry
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<steev>
adwaita dark is there yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<steev>
and works :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I will look at adding in numix-dark
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<[TheBug]>
Grr Tonymac32 I wish you would get on irc so I can msg you instead you Discord Punk
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> why
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> come to the workign world
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> TheBug
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> glad to know steev
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> thanks for input
<steev>
if not too much trouble... a way to set it back to the default cursor? not sure why, but none of the 3 options available are whatever the default is
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> you might want to install lm-sensors and xsensors
<steev>
bug wants to slide into tony's dm's
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I have to add them in to desktops to make some of the sensors work like temp sensor on unit
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> will fix this issue
<[TheBug]>
if everyone you knew jumped off a cliff, would you follow RichNeese :X
<archetech>
like the vax
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> only in your arms TheBug
<steev>
isntalled those, and i also pulled in the dmz-cursor-theme, i like it well enough
<[TheBug]>
awww ffs
<stipa>
lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> roflao
<stipa>
he got you hard [TheBug]
<[TheBug]>
just hope I let you fall on top, huh?
<Armbian-Discord>
Command sent by Tonymac32
<Armbian-Discord>
...
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> hey with you there we will bounce
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
<[TheBug]>
make sure you give me a lot of beer and bratwerst first
<steev>
only other change i made, is installing gnome-terminal. i know a lot of people love terminator, but i like my g-t :(
<[TheBug]>
bratwurst?
<[TheBug]>
emr whatever the spelling is
<steev>
tbh, i just hate that red bar on terminator and don't see the point of it
<lanefu>
cuz terminator
<steev>
red to me, means something that needs my attention immediately, not something that sits there the entire time
<lanefu>
it's a cyberdyne systems style queue
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> resistance is futile said the Dalek to Han Solo
<lanefu>
tony thats amazing
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I did not set the dolor
<steev>
nah thats a default thing of terminator
<lanefu>
if i had a collar for anytime you said dolor
<stipa>
terminator takes too much ram
<stipa>
alternatives do it for much less
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> you can change it out its installed by default in budgie
<stipa>
i dont even know what that is
<[TheBug]>
RichNeese: on the RC cinnamon image I was testing for RockPi 4c I noticed that the top bar on windows was being overlapped by taskbar at to some making it sometimes hard to hit the max/min/close button in the corner -- maybe you fixed it by now but figured I would mention
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> thats a issue in the gui it would have to be sent to them as a bug. but I have not had that issue . but once this boot I will let you knw
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The Pi form factor is horrible, it just stuck because people buy on price and it was cheeeeeep
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> what board is that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That's a Tinker Edge R
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> it's Pico-ITX
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok like the t4
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the T4 isn't as deep, but it's close, yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> t4 needed more usb thou
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: you would probably like the design of the RockPi 3B
<[TheBug]>
it isn't out yet or I would have gotten it over 3A possibly
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I see
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would prefer they kept all the holes where they belong though
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> we need a armbian retro pi build
<[TheBug]>
Thats what she said?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😐
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 2 observations: No heatsink holes (should be enough space here) and the "front" mounting holes aren't there due to "All the Connectors"
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> but yes, massive improvement
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> My priorities are a bit different, but I sould scrap the analog audio jack
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> would*
<[TheBug]>
Yeah if you go to their forum there is discussion about the lack of fan holes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> and, I would scrap the 2X USB 2.0's and put motherboard standard pin headers on there, putting the front mounting holes back and allowing for cool case options
<[TheBug]>
and they said they were considering a few options
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so the 2.0's could be case front
<[TheBug]>
if hipboi is around he could probably tell you is they made a decision on that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> he's "away". I mean opinions are like... umm, well, everyone has them
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'll take this over another Pi shaped board every day of the week
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> (I might be making a sad face over a Type C power plug though)
<archetech>
the N2+ is the king of SBC's so why the armbian ignornance
<archetech>
I would make sure its got a good install
<[TheBug]>
I actually really prefer usb-c power delivery
<[TheBug]>
and I say that having RockPro64 and RockPi 4c next to each other
<[TheBug]>
the RockPi 4c can run on 9v where RockPro64 is set straight to 12v all the time
<[TheBug]>
so off the top its higher power consumption
<[TheBug]>
RockPI 4c at idle is 9v 0.6A
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I like the last board but dont need 2 ether net
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> must not have proper converters on it
<archetech>
but its a rockchip and they should get nothing for support
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I do need pci-e if 4/5g pcie
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> it's not like alinear regulator where you burn the excess
<[TheBug]>
What I mean is it has a 12v input (adapter DC barrel)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so low efficiency buck converter maybe
<[TheBug]>
vs the PD
<[TheBug]>
which negotiates
<[TheBug]>
and jumps up as it needs it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I know Type-C PD too well 😄
<archetech>
rockchip sucks (tm)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the only safe way to use it in the context of an SBC is to set it to the highest power you might need and forget it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> whereas a cell phone has a battery backup buffer to absorb supply delays, these don't
<[TheBug]>
I haven't looked at the diagram but I am making an assumption some type of caps are used in that case with the PD stuff as I haven't see it cause any issue
<[TheBug]>
but as I said I have both
<[TheBug]>
I am using both in 'production'
<[TheBug]>
at some point its really just a random preference I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> well, I did not know any SBC other than the Libre Computer Roc-rk3399-pc had true USB-C PD input
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> the rest I thought were running 5V 3A
<[TheBug]>
yeah basically all RockPi*
<[TheBug]>
all have PD on them
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> PD
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> power delivery
<[TheBug]>
USB-C PD
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> ok gn chat tomorrow time to try and sleep
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: btw got me a Pinepower ;) thats how I now know how much it uses ;p
<[TheBug]>
atm its actually at 9v 0.2A
<[TheBug]>
interesting
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> interesting
<[TheBug]>
I wonder if I bumped the power on it and it is off, lol
<[TheBug]>
I will have to see
<[TheBug]>
I was moving stuff on my desk a bit ago...
<[TheBug]>
got some pizza and was in a rush to set it on the desk
<[TheBug]>
lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> ah ha, so it has a dedicated chip that the SBC doesn't see
<steev>
hm
<[TheBug]>
let me see if its still runnin
<[TheBug]>
it is
<steev>
the 5.14 kernel on the T4 doesn't like if the monitor isn't.... i am not even sure what it is
<[TheBug]>
its just sleeping on the desktop
<[TheBug]>
running Cinnamon
<[TheBug]>
RichNeese: why is the sleep timeout on our desktop images by default SUPER short?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I plugged in my 4B, it is at 19V
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> sorry, 19.9, so 20V
<[TheBug]>
ohh you got a 4b huh?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I've had it forever
<[TheBug]>
I wanted to get one but when I had funds to order they were out already
<[TheBug]>
ohh sorry
<[TheBug]>
I am thinking 4B+
<[TheBug]>
the OP1 one
<[TheBug]>
you are right, I keep forgetting there is a 4B and now a 4B+
* [TheBug]
facepalms
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The OP1 is ok, I like it on the Tinker Board so it should be good on a Rock Pi
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> especially with a PD input
<[TheBug]>
well they were able to dig me up one more RockPi 4c, which I guess now won't be produced for some time if at all again
<[TheBug]>
I have it in the cloest as spare for production
<[TheBug]>
(or will)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have never load tested a Rock Pi, can they source the appropriate current to each USB connector?
<[TheBug]>
the 4B+ was out of stock or I would have tested it
<[TheBug]>
I am anxious to see how 3A+ is t hough
<[TheBug]>
supposed to have faster PCI
<[TheBug]>
so
<[TheBug]>
yeah I mean my overall experience with all the RockPi stuff other than ripping memory off that X has been great
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hahaha they seem well made
<[TheBug]>
but that said I have only had the RockPi X and 4c so far.... so
<[TheBug]>
I mean I have Cubie's older boards
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I got it right before my personal life and everything went into full "hanging out at hospitals with the wife" burnout
<[TheBug]>
and they have always been great
<[TheBug]>
I have original Cubieboard A10
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> nice
<[TheBug]>
hehe, I even spent ages making an Android image for it back in the day
<[TheBug]>
I think it's still listed on linux-sunxi.org
<[TheBug]>
but yeah so far my experiences with his stuff have been overall pretty great
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> My interest in power to the USB ports is a desire to avoid having powered hubs
<[TheBug]>
3A 8Gb should be some fun
<[TheBug]>
;)
<[TheBug]>
not sure what I will use the memory for lol
<[TheBug]>
but should be interesting to run a desktop on for testing
<[TheBug]>
actually considering a NVME for it with the PCIe 3.0
<[TheBug]>
probably flies
<[TheBug]>
where rk3399 has 5GT the 3A is supposed to have 8GT I believe it is
<[TheBug]>
(sorry if I used wrong units)
<[TheBug]>
GT/s maybe?
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: I haven't had any issue pluggins USB 3.0 to sata or rk8152 2.5Gbit adapter into it
<[TheBug]>
right now all my 4c's other than one onf my desktop atm have a r8156b (r8152) 2.5Gbit nic on them
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> and the RK3399 only has 2.5 GT/s unless your board was made well 😄
<[TheBug]>
Now i have had some kernel issues between different kernels with USB drivers, like I haven't tested 5.13 on RockPro64 but previously anything after 5.10.16 had some stability issues because of USB
<[TheBug]>
Every single one of my RockPi 4c's is using the 5GT/s overlay and work great
<[TheBug]>
each has a sata card attached
<[TheBug]>
(8port)
<[TheBug]>
(except the one on my desk, lol)
<[TheBug]>
same with the RockPro64's I have even the 2GB version I have had in production works at 5GT overlay
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yeah I plugged a wifi and a sata into the N2 and it died
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so it is a headless drone now
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> no time for that
<[TheBug]>
hmm?
<[TheBug]>
it died?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> it reset
<[TheBug]>
n2 has pcie?
<[TheBug]>
or usb you mean?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> power = too little for system to oeprate
<[TheBug]>
yeah you think that is bad
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yes USB
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol
<[TheBug]>
I have a Vim1
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> so do I
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol
<[TheBug]>
where I don't know exactly what happened
<[TheBug]>
but
<[TheBug]>
either the USB hub chip fried or have bad fuses or something
<[TheBug]>
but only USB-c port works on it
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<Tonymac32> ugh
<[TheBug]>
so have to power it by GPIO and then attach usb hub to USB-c port
<[TheBug]>
and even more fun is
<[TheBug]>
all the Android images made for it can't use USB-c port as USB
<[TheBug]>
so I have to run Armbian or Linux
<[TheBug]>
otherwise its useless
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
but yeah I bet somethign similar on n2
<[TheBug]>
you overpulled power and likely blew fuse
<[TheBug]>
or the hub died
<[TheBug]>
I haven't had the time to source a new hub chip for the Vim1 to try
<[TheBug]>
but I did get a Pinecil ;)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yeah, so, those blue ports have an associated specification
<[TheBug]>
yeah but cmon with BOM you actually expect them to use high quality parts
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<Tonymac32> 900 mA per port
<[TheBug]>
though saying that it is Hardkernel
<[TheBug]>
so you would expect them to have good parts...
<[TheBug]>
but
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<Tonymac32> They should at least specify the rating they designed to
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<Tonymac32> so I know to stay the hell away
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<Tonymac32> 😄
<[TheBug]>
well its like ESPRESSOBin
<[TheBug]>
for about week
<[TheBug]>
I was fuming
<[TheBug]>
and saying USB 3.0 doesn't even work or exist
<[TheBug]>
as it claims to have USB 3.0 port on it
<[TheBug]>
come to find
<[TheBug]>
ithe port didn't put out speced power
<[TheBug]>
and only way you can hook anything superspeed is with a powered hub
<[TheBug]>
otherwise , no dice
<[TheBug]>
literally banged my head on a table for like 1.5 weeks
<[TheBug]>
going WTF doesn't this work
<[TheBug]>
so yeah... if you ever want to get USB 3.0 out of EBin have to have a powered hub
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<Tonymac32> lol
<[TheBug]>
Thanks Globalscale....NOT
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: if you want to borrow the 3A when it comes for dev if your not gonna get one here, let me know and I can send it over for a few weeks or something
<[TheBug]>
should get her Tuesday I think
<[TheBug]>
I won't have an immediate use for both of them
<[TheBug]>
so you can borrow one if you need
<[TheBug]>
(or want)
<[TheBug]>
Tonymac32: OHH and also, if all the stars align... I should finally have a PentaHat for the 4c/3A as well.... only 2.5 years later
<archetech>
Srv You better leave
<archetech>
my N2+ alone
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<[TheBug]>
all and all it's just another brick...
<steev>
richneese: actually there is one tiny thing - the top bar seems to be ever so slightly (maybe 3-4 pixels?) larger than the space it should be - you can move a window up "under" it a wee bit
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<Tonymac32> I need a Rock 3 SOM
<[TheBug]>
steev: thats what I was seeing in Cinnamon on RockPi 4c as well
<[TheBug]>
in the RC build I have
<steev>
this was on budgie here, not sure if it's a budgie thing or not, i haven't poked at it recently
<steev>
but also, when i install it here, i get the kali theme applied, so it already looks sexy so :/
<steev>
just that it doesn't have as nice a setup as rich has done with y'alls
<[TheBug]>
Actually you know I test botrh Budgie and Cinnamon maybe I should look to be sure again here
<[TheBug]>
tested*
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<RichNeese> its all default. install other then the backgrounds
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<nekomancer[m]>
widowmaker
<nekomancer[m]>
did anybody buy kind of high speed durable sdcard for SBC on amazon or aliexpress?
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<RichNeese> so I will look but I only use sandisk where I can
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<RichNeese> but look at Kexin also they work well
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<Spectre> recent kernel drivers/staging/media/rkvdec as I understand rkvdec covers the older VPU while the newer is covered by the hantro driver
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<q4a> ah.. I thought the opposite: rkvdec - for the older VPU
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<Spectre> Currently looking at getting the libreelec rockchip64 patches into the armbian kernel locally.
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<Tonymac32> Spectre they are really just different drivers for the same thing. The RK3288 isn't getting as much mainline love as the RK3399 "because 32 bit"
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<Tonymac32> I know Myy was once upon a time super interested in working on this but I'm sure that's passed
<[TheBug]>
RichNeese: excuse me for being stupid but how in the fuck do I disable this constant screen lock after 5 minutes in Budgie on my RockPi 4c -- I have been looking for the setting for 15 minutes
<[TheBug]>
he has some crazy default that constantly locks the desktop
<[TheBug]>
its driving me looney
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<Tonymac32> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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<Tonymac32> Use i3
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<Tonymac32> But in all seriousness I don't know
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<Tonymac32> @piter75 what were you trying to say? 😂
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<piter75> 😉
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<piter75> <[TheBug]> don't get your hopes to high for the pcie speeds of rk3568. While it is 3.0 indeed, it is also 2 lanes vs. 4 lanes of 2.0 for rk3399
<[TheBug]>
ohh yeah?!
<[TheBug]>
then how you supposed to get 8GT/s out of 2 lanes?
* [TheBug]
gets confused look on face
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<piter75> it's 8GT/s per lane
<[TheBug]>
then is should in theory be faster shouldn't it
<[TheBug]>
since rk3399 is 2.5GT/s per lane right?
<[TheBug]>
so if its 8GT/s per 2 lanes
<[TheBug]>
should still be faster?!
<[TheBug]>
maybe I don't understand correctly, why I am asking
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<piter75> well, I was referring to your unsupported setting of 5GT ;p
<[TheBug]>
hmm
<[TheBug]>
still not sure I fully understand what your trying to convey but atm also trying to do like 4 other things for work and figure out how to stop this stupid screen lock that driving me mad, so I don't have sufficent brain power atm to really think about it
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<Tonymac32> 4 lanes 5 GT/s vs 2 lanes 8GT/s
<[TheBug]>
OHH, I see
<[TheBug]>
thanks Tony
* [TheBug]
brain is melting
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<Tonymac32> needs some new Rockchips
<[TheBug]>
I think thats because on 3568 they split into two different pci interfaces right?
<[TheBug]>
you actually get that 3.0 interface
<[TheBug]>
and then I think another
<[TheBug]>
though I am not clear on specs in my head
<[TheBug]>
is it just splitting 4 lanes into 2x 2 lanes?
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<piter75> it's actualy 3.0x2 + 3.0x1 + lots of other (albiet muxed) options
<[TheBug]>
gotcha, thanks for that info piter75 ;)
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<piter75> the controller is however said to be more standards compliant than rk3399's
<[TheBug]>
still be interesting to test and see
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<piter75> true
<[TheBug]>
right and you likely won't have to use a hacky unguarenteed overlay
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<Tonymac32> Where's the fun in that
<[TheBug]>
cause my understanding as you mentioned is 5GT/s is a gamble
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<Tonymac32> It depends on the vendor knowing wtf they were doing routing the board
<[TheBug]>
based on implementation of PCIe -- I would guess that you can't get that on OPi 4 with that pin header
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So yeah, a gamble indeed
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<Tonymac32> No, it doesn't even do 2.5 GT/s for shit
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<piter75> That's one thing... the other is that also Rockchip backtracked in its support
<[TheBug]>
RockPi 4c Radxa choose a very goot interface with short well thought o ut wiring to SoC so I have never had an issue with it yet
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<piter75> In the first versions of the TRMs they listed it (5GT/s) as supported and then scrapped it
<[TheBug]>
at least link training from them always hits 5GT/s
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<Tonymac32> Haha Rockchip seems to define support based on what their partners do (or fail to do) with the hardware
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<Tonymac32> "of they aren't giving the SoC adequate power and don't know what heatsinks are. Now the max speed is 1.8 GHz. ;-)
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<Tonymac32> Or they can't make good hardware and fix the spec after it fails to meet requirements. Either way, shame
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<piter75> It's probably a bit of both
<[TheBug]>
Honestly don't know if just lucky
<Armbian-Discord>
<piter75> <[TheBug]> Yeah, I did not encounter any rk3399 board that had issues with 5GT but... you have been warned ;p That's why I did this "hacky" overlay instead of enabling 5GT/s right away in the DT
<[TheBug]>
but every RockPi 4c has been able to handle 2.0 stable and 5GT/s per lane no issue
<[TheBug]>
and I use it actively Piter75
<[TheBug]>
as in I have 3x of them running large raids
<[TheBug]>
of 6 or 7 x 3TB drives
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<Tonymac32> The Station and the ROC-PC from libre Computer won't do it
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<Tonymac32> At least mine didn't. Maybe the NVMe is partly to blame as well
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<RichNeese> Tonymac32 we have broken m4 device tree
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> lol
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<Tonymac32> I only have an M4V2
<[TheBug]>
Richhhh
<[TheBug]>
help me bro
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> And it never acted right
<[TheBug]>
how I fix this stupid screen lock
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> 4 4gig
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I have the v24g
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> cant type now
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<piter75> @Tonymac32 M4V2 should be super stable now
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<Tonymac32> Ok I'll have to give it a go
<Armbian-Discord>
<piter75> I did spend an awfull amount of time find the source of the instabilities
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Which one of these boards had the low RAM version that didn't like mainline ATF for some reason? I'd like to give that one a try again
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha you are a patient man
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I get no sond on the current build
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I might have used wring img
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Could be
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> I have the 4g ver
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> grrr
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> no I have the v1 the emmc goes over the hdmi port
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> the v2 it goes the other direction
<Armbian-Discord>
<piter75> I remember it was working some time ago - this part (sound) is actually common between both versions IIRC
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I want friendlyElec to calm down and make some more NanoPC's
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichNeese> well I get a device error let me get to it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Actually paying attention to detail
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Not these NanoPi abominations they keep spitting out every couple months.
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<piter75> Haha...
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<Tonymac32> I've been their customer since the mini2440, they need to get back to basics 😉