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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so have any of you tested the budgie /cinnamon/xfce current release ?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> need feed back on the desktops if you guys have time to pull and test
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> Thanks for time and support
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> So far cinnamon is excellent
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I need to test it on the rockpi4
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Checked on the T4 and the rockpro64
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> I can't use any other desktop environment after this experiences
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> Everything just works, the only missing thing was just the sensors for the temp applet ans I believed you already checked that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha it is pretty smooth
<archetech> I dont see the point of cinn
<archetech> just use full gnome
<steev> i like budgie
<lanefu> i like windowmaker
<steev> i too liked the 80s
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> cocaine was a hell of a drug
<[TheBug]> indeed
<steev> still is
<archetech> days of Santana Persuasion
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> whenever someone says they liked the 80's that's my only reply just to get some laughs
<archetech> the music is not be mocked
<archetech> the music is not to be mocked it hasnt been equaled ever
<steev> oh i was just being sarcastic because of windowmaker's.... graphics
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I know haha
<steev> that said, i'll give the budgie desktop a whirl on the nanopct4
<steev> does 5.14 enable the mipi dsi yet?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think it's possible
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but I have not tried it
<archetech> dont make me que up Mississippi Queen .... too late
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> if you know what I mean
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: did you get DP over USB-C working on RockPro64 ( I am guessinig MiniDP never got fixed yet on RockPi 4c yet, huh?)
<steev> i try every new kernel :)
<archetech> she taught me everything
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> overlays are not working on the m4
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> from armbian-config
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> steev do you have any device tree bindings for that? they usually lag significantly behind the driver support
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> wut
<steev> mmm, probably not
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> did they work on the T4 or anything else?
* archetech is building Gnome 41 RC 1
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well I am testing the m4 right now
<steev> i didn't think it was needed since the rpi doesn't need it for its :(
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> and if you go into armbian-config > system > hardware it errors os
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol the RPi is taking full advantage of not being a Linux computer. The GPU does stuff in secret
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> out
* [TheBug] stares at Tonymac32
<steev> kinda true
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it goes by so fast in the error I can nto read
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the only way it doesn't need device tree entries is either it's doing it in user space (what?!?!), or the Videocore is handling it magically
* [TheBug] starts chucking Broken RockPi X's in Tonymac32's direction
<steev> it works with mainline even, as long as you blacklist vc4
<steev> once vc4 takes over, it kinda forgets it is there
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but to be fair I just like poking fun at the Microsoft ThreadX based system
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😛
<steev> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KKB5YS9 talking about this one
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> [TheBug] needs to stop breaking RockPi X's
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I had to do some open heart surgery on a potential stability issue on RK3328 for the last release 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so I didn't get to the Mini-DP just yet
<steev> i do have the 11.1" lcd from felec for the t4 just... haven't used it in forever since mipi dsi not working with mainline
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it might be a 5.13.x kernel issue and the m4 has not had 5.14.2 edge kernel added in yet
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that 11.1 is probable EDP
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that has drivers, I just haven't worked on it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ducks swing from Rich
<steev> maybe its edp
<archetech> will Armbian ever get it's act together ?
<steev> it's the little connector right next to the post
<steev> probably not archetech. better to go with a real distro like arch
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it worked fine after a reboot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> archetech go back to listening to music. I don't have enough time to argue with you and fix the things you're complaining about
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> nm
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<archetech> 6 devs runnin in opposite directions
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> more than 6 platforms. Bound to happen
<steev> you offering them some money to run in the direction you want?
<archetech> its like a monkey f'in a football
<steev> i'm very lucky i guess, because all of the boards i have, have run armbian quite splendidly
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The football ain't complaining
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> fingering
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
* archetech LOL's
<archetech> SRV House is a Rockin
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok well loading overlays seems to break the m4
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> hmm
<steev> will the T4 boot from nvme or nah?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> which one? or any?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I loaded the pci overlay
<steev> i haven't looked at u-boot at all recently
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I loaded 4
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> and not its not loading up
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> steev it will boot from eMMC and mount root on NVMe like any other RK3399
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I can't remember if it has SPI flash or not
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> if it has SPI it can boot spi and have root on NVMe
<steev> i can't remember either
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thats what I have done on the m4 but now its broke
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I did that on my Renegade Elite which is awesome
<archetech> Tony I only asked ya to build a frickin patched kernel for the N2 too hard I know
<steev> build it yourself
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> looks like overlays cause issues
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> patched for what? I haven't built an N2 kernel in years
<archetech> and that was others not me
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> booting sd and rm overlays
<archetech> and that was for others not me
<archetech> so they could run kde and gnome
<archetech> so dont pin nuttin else on me
<archetech> Bring it on Home LZ
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I relegated my N2 to HomeAssistant, waiting on a better board with as much compute. I got mad about it bootlooping with too many USB devices (meaning a wifi and a flash drive) due to voltage drop (measured). And my brain is wired wrong so when something puts me off like that I basically bury it.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> like the Rockchip64 kernel for a couple years
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> refused to even look at it
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok it seems there is some issues of using btrfs and loading nvme and then switching on the pice gen2 overlay
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it breaks the install
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that's why I asked 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> also does it on the sd
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> pcie gen2 can crash a machine that can't actually support it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and doing PCIe over pin headers is baaaaaaddddddd
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so thats somethign we have to look at
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lots of parasitics
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm curious how the rockchip and the mainline drivers compare for link training
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well I know we need to get the 5.14.2 on the m4 for testing
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> as there where some updates
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you know this, eh? 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> there is a PR for 5.14 Igor was working on
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so if it hasn't been merged it should be soon
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> which fixes did you have your eye on?
<lanefu> i saw some post where 5.14 broke something
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I was, interestingly enough, keeping an eye on the CSI drivers
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lanefu of course it did. Always does
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 5.14.10 or so should be "safe" 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> when they get all the "oops" out
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have 5.14.2 on my riscv board and its running great
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so we will see here also
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah, I mean diesel runs great in my freightliner, but not in my F150
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Risc-V is an entirely different beast. Glad to hear it's running well though
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but looking it seems 5.13 has had issues alot
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but I figure they would wrok them out
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> brb I have to reflash a sd and reload the m4
<lanefu> yeah "they" need to get on top of things :P
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thinks lanefu is on a 5.13.x kernel and needs updating
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> stays on LTS kernels and watches everything else burn
<lanefu> yeah im mostly 5.10 :P
<lanefu> i think my pinebook is 5.13
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> i just test edge to see what breaks
<steev> richneese: about the only thing i can think re: budgie desktop... it would be nice if there was a dark theme available on install?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> its fun that way on test devices
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it should be there
<lanefu> well probably some of my worker nodes are
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it should have a dark mode
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I will grab it and check in a min
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> pulling the budgie img now
<steev> ah
<steev> i was thinking a numix dark, not adwaita :)
<steev> sorry
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<steev> adwaita dark is there yes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<steev> and works :)
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I will look at adding in numix-dark
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<[TheBug]> Grr Tonymac32 I wish you would get on irc so I can msg you instead you Discord Punk
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> why
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> come to the workign world
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> TheBug
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> glad to know steev
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thanks for input
<steev> if not too much trouble... a way to set it back to the default cursor? not sure why, but none of the 3 options available are whatever the default is
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you might want to install lm-sensors and xsensors
<steev> bug wants to slide into tony's dm's
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have to add them in to desktops to make some of the sensors work like temp sensor on unit
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ROFL
<steev> oh
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> apt install lm-sensors xsensors
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> will fix this issue
<[TheBug]> if everyone you knew jumped off a cliff, would you follow RichNeese :X
<archetech> like the vax
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> only in your arms TheBug
<steev> isntalled those, and i also pulled in the dmz-cursor-theme, i like it well enough
<[TheBug]> awww ffs
<stipa> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> roflao
<stipa> he got you hard [TheBug]
<[TheBug]> just hope I let you fall on top, huh?
<Armbian-Discord> Command sent by Tonymac32
<Armbian-Discord> ...
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> hey with you there we will bounce
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<[TheBug]> make sure you give me a lot of beer and bratwerst first
<steev> only other change i made, is installing gnome-terminal. i know a lot of people love terminator, but i like my g-t :(
<[TheBug]> bratwurst?
<[TheBug]> emr whatever the spelling is
<steev> tbh, i just hate that red bar on terminator and don't see the point of it
<lanefu> cuz terminator
<steev> red to me, means something that needs my attention immediately, not something that sits there the entire time
<lanefu> it's a cyberdyne systems style queue
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> resistance is futile said the Dalek to Han Solo
<lanefu> tony thats amazing
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I did not set the dolor
<steev> nah thats a default thing of terminator
<lanefu> if i had a collar for anytime you said dolor
<stipa> terminator takes too much ram
<stipa> alternatives do it for much less
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> you can change it out its installed by default in budgie
<stipa> i dont even know what that is
<[TheBug]> RichNeese: on the RC cinnamon image I was testing for RockPi 4c I noticed that the top bar on windows was being overlapped by taskbar at to some making it sometimes hard to hit the max/min/close button in the corner -- maybe you fixed it by now but figured I would mention
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thats a issue in the gui it would have to be sent to them as a bug. but I have not had that issue . but once this boot I will let you knw
<steev> i'm sure there is a config option for it somewhere, it just always seemed silly to me, that that, of all things, is the default for it
<steev> not blaming you at all rich, i know that's the default
<steev> we went through this in kali when we were trying to decide on our default terminal
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<steev> just that since it's not part of the titlebar, i think it's something that needs my attention
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> be nice to have it blue or green
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> or purple or orange
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> or rainbow
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> wow going on 32 hours awake
<archetech> Stones cant always get what ya want from Armbian lol
<steev> or just not there since the info there isn't providing anything useful
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> insomnia is your friend
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> 1 more install and I will try to find a pillow
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> also the 2.0 ghz overlay will mess the m4 up also
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> seems not supported
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> archetech if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ia m slowly going over all the nanopi units i have to see what issues pop up
<archetech> heh
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> anybody have a Quartz SOM from Pine yet?
<archetech> no but if that radxa zero comes over her ill get one
<archetech> here
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's a nice board
<[TheBug]> no... I was gonna buy one of the Quartz64 but everyone said not to cause won't have any support for long time
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I like it
<[TheBug]> instead I have a RockPi 3A coming
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> gothca
<[TheBug]> did you get one of those Tony?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ?
<archetech> Say the Joint was rockin round and round
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's also RK3568 in't it?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok the m4 has the audio device tree bug
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> in the 5.13 kernel
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> [thebug] is it that one or the OP1 based one?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> How do you put a heatsink on here
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> To be fair I have no idea what the TDP on this SoC is
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> no holes for a heatsync
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> does it mount over the cpu and the nvme
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> or wifi card
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> why a wifi like that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> umm, because that doesn't suck?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> those stupid little modules are almost universally crap
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you can swap in your own card if you have drivers for it 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Tinker Board 2 has this as well, so does the Tinker Edge R and the Asus IoT i.MX8 board
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I prefer it
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> if I can get everything on the m4 working right I want to make it a retro pi tpe system
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but how to add a heatsync
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I still use my XU4 for retro gaming
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Rich this is something we agree on, there is no way to get an adequate heat sink in there
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well I have pimiga running on my t4 right now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the case they sell does a decent job
<[TheBug]> Tony: Quarts is 3566 the RockPi 3A is 3568 they are different chips
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I didn't know Quartz64 was a 3566
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> only issue is audio is a little choppy
<[TheBug]> rk3566 (Quartz64) vs rk3568(RockPi 3A/3B)
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have to dig into it this weekend
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> i know I have to add a asound.conf to set the card setting
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> for 1
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> All new SBC's should look something like this 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I like that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The Pi form factor is horrible, it just stuck because people buy on price and it was cheeeeeep
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> what board is that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That's a Tinker Edge R
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's Pico-ITX
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok like the t4
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the T4 isn't as deep, but it's close, yes
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> t4 needed more usb thou
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: you would probably like the design of the RockPi 3B
<[TheBug]> it isn't out yet or I would have gotten it over 3A possibly
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I see
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I would prefer they kept all the holes where they belong though
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> we need a armbian retro pi build
<[TheBug]> Thats what she said?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😐
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 2 observations: No heatsink holes (should be enough space here) and the "front" mounting holes aren't there due to "All the Connectors"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but yes, massive improvement
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> My priorities are a bit different, but I sould scrap the analog audio jack
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> would*
<[TheBug]> Yeah if you go to their forum there is discussion about the lack of fan holes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and, I would scrap the 2X USB 2.0's and put motherboard standard pin headers on there, putting the front mounting holes back and allowing for cool case options
<[TheBug]> and they said they were considering a few options
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so the 2.0's could be case front
<[TheBug]> if hipboi is around he could probably tell you is they made a decision on that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> he's "away". I mean opinions are like... umm, well, everyone has them
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll take this over another Pi shaped board every day of the week
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> (I might be making a sad face over a Type C power plug though)
<archetech> the N2+ is the king of SBC's so why the armbian ignornance
<archetech> I would make sure its got a good install
<[TheBug]> I actually really prefer usb-c power delivery
<[TheBug]> and I say that having RockPro64 and RockPi 4c next to each other
<[TheBug]> the RockPi 4c can run on 9v where RockPro64 is set straight to 12v all the time
<[TheBug]> so off the top its higher power consumption
<[TheBug]> RockPI 4c at idle is 9v 0.6A
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I like the last board but dont need 2 ether net
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> must not have proper converters on it
<archetech> but its a rockchip and they should get nothing for support
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I do need pci-e if 4/5g pcie
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's not like alinear regulator where you burn the excess
<[TheBug]> What I mean is it has a 12v input (adapter DC barrel)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so low efficiency buck converter maybe
<[TheBug]> vs the PD
<[TheBug]> which negotiates
<[TheBug]> and jumps up as it needs it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I know Type-C PD too well 😄
<archetech> rockchip sucks (tm)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the only safe way to use it in the context of an SBC is to set it to the highest power you might need and forget it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> whereas a cell phone has a battery backup buffer to absorb supply delays, these don't
<[TheBug]> I haven't looked at the diagram but I am making an assumption some type of caps are used in that case with the PD stuff as I haven't see it cause any issue
<[TheBug]> but as I said I have both
<[TheBug]> I am using both in 'production'
<[TheBug]> at some point its really just a random preference I guess
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well, I did not know any SBC other than the Libre Computer Roc-rk3399-pc had true USB-C PD input
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the rest I thought were running 5V 3A
<[TheBug]> yeah basically all RockPi*
<[TheBug]> all have PD on them
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> PD
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> power delivery
<[TheBug]> USB-C PD
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok gn chat tomorrow time to try and sleep
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: btw got me a Pinepower ;) thats how I now know how much it uses ;p
<[TheBug]> atm its actually at 9v 0.2A
<[TheBug]> interesting
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> interesting
<[TheBug]> I wonder if I bumped the power on it and it is off, lol
<[TheBug]> I will have to see
<[TheBug]> I was moving stuff on my desk a bit ago...
<[TheBug]> got some pizza and was in a rush to set it on the desk
<[TheBug]> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ah ha, so it has a dedicated chip that the SBC doesn't see
<steev> hm
<[TheBug]> let me see if its still runnin
<[TheBug]> it is
<steev> the 5.14 kernel on the T4 doesn't like if the monitor isn't.... i am not even sure what it is
<[TheBug]> its just sleeping on the desktop
<[TheBug]> running Cinnamon
<[TheBug]> RichNeese: why is the sleep timeout on our desktop images by default SUPER short?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I plugged in my 4B, it is at 19V
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> sorry, 19.9, so 20V
<[TheBug]> ohh you got a 4b huh?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I've had it forever
<[TheBug]> I wanted to get one but when I had funds to order they were out already
<[TheBug]> ohh sorry
<[TheBug]> I am thinking 4B+
<[TheBug]> the OP1 one
<[TheBug]> you are right, I keep forgetting there is a 4B and now a 4B+
* [TheBug] facepalms
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The OP1 is ok, I like it on the Tinker Board so it should be good on a Rock Pi
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> especially with a PD input
<[TheBug]> well they were able to dig me up one more RockPi 4c, which I guess now won't be produced for some time if at all again
<[TheBug]> I have it in the cloest as spare for production
<[TheBug]> (or will)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have never load tested a Rock Pi, can they source the appropriate current to each USB connector?
<[TheBug]> the 4B+ was out of stock or I would have tested it
<[TheBug]> I am anxious to see how 3A+ is t hough
<[TheBug]> supposed to have faster PCI
<[TheBug]> so
<[TheBug]> yeah I mean my overall experience with all the RockPi stuff other than ripping memory off that X has been great
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahaha they seem well made
<[TheBug]> but that said I have only had the RockPi X and 4c so far.... so
<[TheBug]> I mean I have Cubie's older boards
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I got it right before my personal life and everything went into full "hanging out at hospitals with the wife" burnout
<[TheBug]> and they have always been great
<[TheBug]> I have original Cubieboard A10
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> nice
<[TheBug]> hehe, I even spent ages making an Android image for it back in the day
<[TheBug]> I think it's still listed on linux-sunxi.org
<[TheBug]> but yeah so far my experiences with his stuff have been overall pretty great
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> My interest in power to the USB ports is a desire to avoid having powered hubs
<[TheBug]> 3A 8Gb should be some fun
<[TheBug]> ;)
<[TheBug]> not sure what I will use the memory for lol
<[TheBug]> but should be interesting to run a desktop on for testing
<[TheBug]> actually considering a NVME for it with the PCIe 3.0
<[TheBug]> probably flies
<[TheBug]> where rk3399 has 5GT the 3A is supposed to have 8GT I believe it is
<[TheBug]> (sorry if I used wrong units)
<[TheBug]> GT/s maybe?
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: I haven't had any issue pluggins USB 3.0 to sata or rk8152 2.5Gbit adapter into it
<[TheBug]> right now all my 4c's other than one onf my desktop atm have a r8156b (r8152) 2.5Gbit nic on them
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and the RK3399 only has 2.5 GT/s unless your board was made well 😄
<[TheBug]> Now i have had some kernel issues between different kernels with USB drivers, like I haven't tested 5.13 on RockPro64 but previously anything after 5.10.16 had some stability issues because of USB
<[TheBug]> Every single one of my RockPi 4c's is using the 5GT/s overlay and work great
<[TheBug]> each has a sata card attached
<[TheBug]> (8port)
<[TheBug]> (except the one on my desk, lol)
<[TheBug]> same with the RockPro64's I have even the 2GB version I have had in production works at 5GT overlay
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah I plugged a wifi and a sata into the N2 and it died
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so it is a headless drone now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no time for that
<[TheBug]> hmm?
<[TheBug]> it died?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it reset
<[TheBug]> n2 has pcie?
<[TheBug]> or usb you mean?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> power = too little for system to oeprate
<[TheBug]> yeah you think that is bad
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes USB
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<[TheBug]> I have a Vim1
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so do I
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<[TheBug]> where I don't know exactly what happened
<[TheBug]> but
<[TheBug]> either the USB hub chip fried or have bad fuses or something
<[TheBug]> but only USB-c port works on it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ugh
<[TheBug]> so have to power it by GPIO and then attach usb hub to USB-c port
<[TheBug]> and even more fun is
<[TheBug]> all the Android images made for it can't use USB-c port as USB
<[TheBug]> so I have to run Armbian or Linux
<[TheBug]> otherwise its useless
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> but yeah I bet somethign similar on n2
<[TheBug]> you overpulled power and likely blew fuse
<[TheBug]> or the hub died
<[TheBug]> I haven't had the time to source a new hub chip for the Vim1 to try
<[TheBug]> but I did get a Pinecil ;)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah, so, those blue ports have an associated specification
<[TheBug]> yeah but cmon with BOM you actually expect them to use high quality parts
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 900 mA per port
<[TheBug]> though saying that it is Hardkernel
<[TheBug]> so you would expect them to have good parts...
<[TheBug]> but
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> They should at least specify the rating they designed to
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so I know to stay the hell away
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<[TheBug]> well its like ESPRESSOBin
<[TheBug]> for about week
<[TheBug]> I was fuming
<[TheBug]> and saying USB 3.0 doesn't even work or exist
<[TheBug]> as it claims to have USB 3.0 port on it
<[TheBug]> come to find
<[TheBug]> ithe port didn't put out speced power
<[TheBug]> and only way you can hook anything superspeed is with a powered hub
<[TheBug]> otherwise , no dice
<[TheBug]> literally banged my head on a table for like 1.5 weeks
<[TheBug]> going WTF doesn't this work
<[TheBug]> so yeah... if you ever want to get USB 3.0 out of EBin have to have a powered hub
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<[TheBug]> Thanks Globalscale....NOT
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: if you want to borrow the 3A when it comes for dev if your not gonna get one here, let me know and I can send it over for a few weeks or something
<[TheBug]> should get her Tuesday I think
<[TheBug]> I won't have an immediate use for both of them
<[TheBug]> so you can borrow one if you need
<[TheBug]> (or want)
<[TheBug]> Tonymac32: OHH and also, if all the stars align... I should finally have a PentaHat for the 4c/3A as well.... only 2.5 years later
<archetech> Srv You better leave
<archetech> my N2+ alone
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<[TheBug]> all and all it's just another brick...
<steev> richneese: actually there is one tiny thing - the top bar seems to be ever so slightly (maybe 3-4 pixels?) larger than the space it should be - you can move a window up "under" it a wee bit
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I need a Rock 3 SOM
<[TheBug]> steev: thats what I was seeing in Cinnamon on RockPi 4c as well
<[TheBug]> in the RC build I have
<steev> this was on budgie here, not sure if it's a budgie thing or not, i haven't poked at it recently
<steev> but also, when i install it here, i get the kali theme applied, so it already looks sexy so :/
<steev> just that it doesn't have as nice a setup as rich has done with y'alls
<[TheBug]> Actually you know I test botrh Budgie and Cinnamon maybe I should look to be sure again here
<[TheBug]> tested*
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> its all default. install other then the backgrounds
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<nekomancer[m]> widowmaker
<nekomancer[m]> did anybody buy kind of high speed durable sdcard for SBC on amazon or aliexpress?
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so I will look but I only use sandisk where I can
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but look at Kexin also they work well
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<nekomancer[m]> why no SBC developed in "server ready" standard? is it expensive for SBC?
<nekomancer[m]> <Armbian-Discord> "<T​onymac32> How do you put a..." <- no way
<IgorPec> nekomancer[m]: even current status costs are not covered not even close
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Nekomancer[m] I don't know what you just replied to ^_^
<IgorPec> :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Aha found it. About the rock 3A heatsink
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have used the adhesives before, they work. Not my favorite for sure, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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<Armbian-Discord> <i​av> do you mean SBC creators makes SBC design as a hobby?
<IgorPec> probably to show what they can do
<Armbian-Discord> <i​av> shocked
<IgorPec> well, its certainly not just that ;)
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<Alex[m]1> Dunno if you want to support me in this case - again, archlinux arm running.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/36e462ea4a2991d2fcab79554b3f63d640166982)
<Alex[m]1> * Dunno if you want to support me in this case - again, archlinux arm running.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/946cde5dec608ce0712247ba628d33259a6f3e8c)
<Alex[m]1> * Dunno if you want to support me in this case - again, archlinux arm running.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ea0402826aceda96bf7649390d98551594a052b8)
<Alex[m]1> * Dunno if you want to support me in this case - again, archlinux arm running.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e4559e3536a0e405e123958db54c685219dde0df)
<Alex[m]1> the edge kernel ist from the armbian deb package - that's why I ask here
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<IgorPec> Alex[m]1: start here https://forum.armbian.com/forum/54-help-wanted/ then ask again
<IgorPec> have a nice weekend
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<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> Hi. Can somebody help me: I'm using ASUS tinker board (rk3288) and want to understand: does it support rkvdec or not? I know that rk3399 has rkvdec patches: https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-rockchip/cover/20200403221345.16702-1-ezequiel@collabora.com/ RK322x and older has some patches too: https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-rockchip/cover/20210525152225.154302-1-knaerzche@gmail.com/ But where is changes
<Armbian-Discord> or it does not support rkvdec?
<Armbian-Discord> <S​pectre> recent kernel drivers/staging/media/rkvdec as I understand rkvdec covers the older VPU while the newer is covered by the hantro driver
<Armbian-Discord> <q​4a> ah.. I thought the opposite: rkvdec - for the older VPU
<Armbian-Discord> <S​pectre> Currently looking at getting the libreelec rockchip64 patches into the armbian kernel locally.
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Spectre they are really just different drivers for the same thing. The RK3288 isn't getting as much mainline love as the RK3399 "because 32 bit"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I know Myy was once upon a time super interested in working on this but I'm sure that's passed
<[TheBug]> RichNeese: excuse me for being stupid but how in the fuck do I disable this constant screen lock after 5 minutes in Budgie on my RockPi 4c -- I have been looking for the setting for 15 minutes
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Use cinnamon
<[TheBug]> had same issue there
<[TheBug]> he has some crazy default that constantly locks the desktop
<[TheBug]> its driving me looney
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Use i3
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> But in all seriousness I don't know
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> @piter75 what were you trying to say? 😂
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> <[TheBug]> don't get your hopes to high for the pcie speeds of rk3568. While it is 3.0 indeed, it is also 2 lanes vs. 4 lanes of 2.0 for rk3399
<[TheBug]> ohh yeah?!
<[TheBug]> then how you supposed to get 8GT/s out of 2 lanes?
* [TheBug] gets confused look on face
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> it's 8GT/s per lane
<[TheBug]> then is should in theory be faster shouldn't it
<[TheBug]> since rk3399 is 2.5GT/s per lane right?
<[TheBug]> so if its 8GT/s per 2 lanes
<[TheBug]> should still be faster?!
<[TheBug]> maybe I don't understand correctly, why I am asking
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> well, I was referring to your unsupported setting of 5GT ;p
<[TheBug]> hmm
<[TheBug]> still not sure I fully understand what your trying to convey but atm also trying to do like 4 other things for work and figure out how to stop this stupid screen lock that driving me mad, so I don't have sufficent brain power atm to really think about it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 4 lanes 5 GT/s vs 2 lanes 8GT/s
<[TheBug]> OHH, I see
<[TheBug]> thanks Tony
* [TheBug] brain is melting
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> needs some new Rockchips
<[TheBug]> I think thats because on 3568 they split into two different pci interfaces right?
<[TheBug]> you actually get that 3.0 interface
<[TheBug]> and then I think another
<[TheBug]> though I am not clear on specs in my head
<[TheBug]> is it just splitting 4 lanes into 2x 2 lanes?
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> it's actualy 3.0x2 + 3.0x1 + lots of other (albiet muxed) options
<[TheBug]> gotcha, thanks for that info piter75 ;)
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> the controller is however said to be more standards compliant than rk3399's
<[TheBug]> still be interesting to test and see
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> true
<[TheBug]> right and you likely won't have to use a hacky unguarenteed overlay
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Where's the fun in that
<[TheBug]> cause my understanding as you mentioned is 5GT/s is a gamble
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It depends on the vendor knowing wtf they were doing routing the board
<[TheBug]> based on implementation of PCIe -- I would guess that you can't get that on OPi 4 with that pin header
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So yeah, a gamble indeed
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> No, it doesn't even do 2.5 GT/s for shit
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> That's one thing... the other is that also Rockchip backtracked in its support
<[TheBug]> RockPi 4c Radxa choose a very goot interface with short well thought o ut wiring to SoC so I have never had an issue with it yet
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> In the first versions of the TRMs they listed it (5GT/s) as supported and then scrapped it
<[TheBug]> at least link training from them always hits 5GT/s
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha Rockchip seems to define support based on what their partners do (or fail to do) with the hardware
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> "of they aren't giving the SoC adequate power and don't know what heatsinks are. Now the max speed is 1.8 GHz. ;-)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Or they can't make good hardware and fix the spec after it fails to meet requirements. Either way, shame
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> It's probably a bit of both
<[TheBug]> Honestly don't know if just lucky
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> <[TheBug]> Yeah, I did not encounter any rk3399 board that had issues with 5GT but... you have been warned ;p That's why I did this "hacky" overlay instead of enabling 5GT/s right away in the DT
<[TheBug]> but every RockPi 4c has been able to handle 2.0 stable and 5GT/s per lane no issue
<[TheBug]> and I use it actively Piter75
<[TheBug]> as in I have 3x of them running large raids
<[TheBug]> of 6 or 7 x 3TB drives
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The Station and the ROC-PC from libre Computer won't do it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> At least mine didn't. Maybe the NVMe is partly to blame as well
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> Tonymac32 we have broken m4 device tree
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I only have an M4V2
<[TheBug]> Richhhh
<[TheBug]> help me bro
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And it never acted right
<[TheBug]> how I fix this stupid screen lock
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> 4 4gig
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have the v24g
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> cant type now
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> @Tonymac32 M4V2 should be super stable now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Ok I'll have to give it a go
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> I did spend an awfull amount of time find the source of the instabilities
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Which one of these boards had the low RAM version that didn't like mainline ATF for some reason? I'd like to give that one a try again
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha you are a patient man
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I get no sond on the current build
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I might have used wring img
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Could be
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I have the 4g ver
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> grrr
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> no I have the v1 the emmc goes over the hdmi port
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> the v2 it goes the other direction
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> I remember it was working some time ago - this part (sound) is actually common between both versions IIRC
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I want friendlyElec to calm down and make some more NanoPC's
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well I get a device error let me get to it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Actually paying attention to detail
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Not these NanoPi abominations they keep spitting out every couple months.
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> Haha...
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I've been their customer since the mini2440, they need to get back to basics 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <p​iter75> gtg, baby needs feeding 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> [ 22.332754] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: Fail to set mclk -22 [ 22.333258] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_set_sysclk on ff8a0000.i2s: -22 [ 22.334801] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: Fail to set mclk -22 [ 22.335302] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_set_sysclk on ff8a0000.i2s: -22
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah that's on almost everything as far as I know
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't tracked it down, we still have some crazy unknown origin patches going in
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Wait
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> [ 22.366521] hdmi-audio-codec hdmi-audio-codec.5.auto: Only one simultaneous stream supported! [ 22.367276] hdmi-audio-codec hdmi-audio-codec.5.auto: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_startup on i2s-hifi: -22 [ 22.368248] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: Fail to set mclk -22 [ 22.368742] rockchip-i2s ff8a0000.i2s: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_set_sysclk on ff8a0000.i2s: -22
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I fixed that by getting rid of the RK3308 tampering with the shared driver
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so i get no audio on analog or hdmi
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> How old is that image, or is it in edge?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> edge
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol I didn't fix edge
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So the untested patchset for the RockPi S is the problem
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> o9k
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> One of the patches does seemingly completely unnecessary things to the I2S driver
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well then I will wait
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thats the img I used
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so yes it breaks the audio all together
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I knew you worked on it at 1 point
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> thats why I was asking
<[TheBug]> RichNeese you ignoring me ;/
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> whay honey I am sorry
<[TheBug]> how I fix this stupid screen lock
<[TheBug]> it keeps locking my screen everytime I look away
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok what desktop
<[TheBug]> Budgie
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> its under power
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> blankscreen
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> seto longer time
<[TheBug]> THANK YOU
* [TheBug] starts glueing hair back to his skull
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> shave it off
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> so tony if I roll over to the stable kernel 5.10 it should be fixed
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<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> now its not booting correctly
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> going to have to reinstall
<[TheBug]> piter75: what would it take for me to get you and Tony to fix mini-DP output in mainline for RockPi 4c -- I got $100 on it ;p
<[TheBug]> what is the bounty that will motivate you guys, haha
<[TheBug]> inviting you both to my house for a bar-b-que? Some steaks and beer?
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> it should work
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> usb-c
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> correct
<[TheBug]> RockPi 4c doesn't use usbc for anything but power
<[TheBug]> it has a special split out mini-dp port
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> ok
<[TheBug]> which is a hack and thus why drive is poop
<[TheBug]> and there is only a hack of a driver Jack Ma made
<[TheBug]> driver*
<[TheBug]> for 4.X series
<[TheBug]> and its very crashy
<[TheBug]> now
<[TheBug]> RockPro64 DOES have UDB-c
<[TheBug]> and supposedly CAN use DP output over it
<[TheBug]> not sure though if it works there or not still either
<[TheBug]> s/UDB-c/USB-C
<ArmbianHelper> [TheBug] meant to say: RockPro64 DOES have USB-C
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> I wanted to play on hirsute
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> grrr
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> but sinc eits broke I can backstep
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> Thanks tonymac32 for time
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> well new issues
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> this sucks
<Armbian-Discord> <R​ichNeese> backspace is not working in a terminal correctly with out a reboot
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