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<_uvos_> Wizzup: dont remove the check its not arbirary at all
<_uvos_> the problem is that to match a contact you need to know what line_identifier is
<_uvos_> since it relates to the ebook query
<_uvos_> the current module takes line_identifier and assumes its a phone number
<_uvos_> this breaks badly if it itsent a phone number (because the message/ call comes from a im sefivce and its a username for instance)
<_uvos_> sphone needs a way to relate backends to vcf fields
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ah it's TP_ANONYMITY_MODE_CLIENT_INFO
<_uvos_> this is currently missing, therefore this hack
<Wizzup> _uvos_: ok, but for telepathy-ring this is fine
<Wizzup> since it's also just line numbers
<_uvos_> sure you can add ring
<_uvos_> but do not remove the check
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<Wizzup> hm
<Wizzup> well we first need to figure out how to really name the tp backends
<Wizzup> I can give the ring one a special name, but there might be eventually one tp-ring per sim
<Wizzup> currently it's a dbus object path
<Wizzup> for example: /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Account/ring/tel/account0
<Wizzup> I'll implement hold tomorrow, maybe see if I can find someone to test multi party on
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<Wizzup> anyway I'm happy :D
<Wizzup> btw, the n900 phone ui is basically:
<Wizzup> [horizontal dialing pad button]
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<Wizzup> [select contact]
<Wizzup> [rtcom ui log]
<Wizzup> and then the dialing pad is a nested window with:
<Wizzup> [call type]
<Wizzup> [text area for number]
<Wizzup> dialing pad
<Wizzup> this is pretty much the same elements the current gtk ui has, just sans the nested window and the rtcom ui
<xes> Wizzup: hi
<Wizzup> hi
<xes> Wizzup: can we stop maedevu @ maemo infra?
<Wizzup> yeah I think we migrated it half a year ago to my hw
<xes> yep, i know, i mean.. there is nothing left there that is still in use
<Wizzup> yeah, no, the dns we switched over a long time ago
<Wizzup> so nothing should use it
<xes> ok!
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<SuperMarioSF> inky: I'm using Hexchat on droid4.
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<SuperMarioSF> Wizzup: Okay, but where should I post that package request? bugtracker isn't a suitable place for this.
<SuperMarioSF> btw, mscim is seems too old for nowdays, maybe port fcitx5 is more likely to work?
<SuperMarioSF> ibus is out of question, because it was broken since 2016. never worked correctly on Chinese input.
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<SuperMarioSF> btw, about supporting IRC in connui, please at least implement SASL authentication, or there will be some problem logging in to Libera.Chat on some strange IP address.
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<SuperMarioSF> well, Chromium is much better used with --force-device-scale-factor=1.0
<SuperMarioSF> add CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--force-device-scale-factor=1.0" in /etc/profile (or new file in /etc/profile.d/chromium.sh) can do it every time without messing around .desktop files and MIME types
<SuperMarioSF> and touch support is great
<SuperMarioSF> much better than firefox does
<SuperMarioSF> maybe the workaround of touchscreen on firefox can be used to solve the problem
<SuperMarioSF> but I'm sticking on Chromium for now.
<norayr> wow. in firefox i am using
<norayr> MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 /usr/bin/firefox
<norayr> but it became unusable on chimaera/droid. but good on pp.
<SuperMarioSF> yes, I was using that env var on my other UMPCs
<norayr> hexchat was a bit small for me i guess. i don't remember. or hard to configure on droid's small screen.
<SuperMarioSF> it is diffcult or even unconfigurable on droid itself
<SuperMarioSF> so you need some hack
<SuperMarioSF> use X forwarding to forward hexchat on your desktop
<SuperMarioSF> you only need this for initial configuration
<SuperMarioSF> once you set up Librea.Chat and its SASL configuration, close it and launch it on droid, then you can use it normally.
<SuperMarioSF> sometimes a bigger screen surely can help
<SuperMarioSF> I suggest you do X forwarding with USB RNDIS, because you surely won't want a traffic intensive X forwarding on a laggy 2.4GHz WiFi.
<SuperMarioSF> and I also suggest you use compression on SSH, it will be look like this
<SuperMarioSF> ssh -YC user@192.168.42.2
<SuperMarioSF> if your local X server isn't a Linux desktop one (for example, a X server program on Windows), you may do `xhost +` to allow all access (danger for a proper X server), then use `ssh -XC` instead.
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF: the bugtracker is fine for this imo
<SuperMarioSF> OK
<SuperMarioSF> the real problem is mail client
<SuperMarioSF> I use Claws Mail, and it was diffcult to setup on Droid
<SuperMarioSF> You have to setup IMAP in only one go, otherwise you have to remove the account entirely and do it again.
<SuperMarioSF> becase some retry option is hidden in context menu, and I have no way to access the context menu by "right click" it.
<SuperMarioSF> for some reason Chromium has a proper long-press context menu support.
<SuperMarioSF> but for some GTK based application it isn't there. Maybe this is a window manager thing?
<SuperMarioSF> btw I installed Trojita after, it is much easy to use and have HTML mail support.
<Wizzup> 11:20 < norayr> but it became unusable on chimaera/droid. but good on pp.
<Wizzup> yes this is a firefox change
<Wizzup> they do some dumb stuff now
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF: what's wrong with the default mail client
<SuperMarioSF> I haven't seen a "default mail client" on my installation
<Wizzup> try apt-get install modest
<Wizzup> I think it's there in chimaera
<Wizzup> (by default)
<SuperMarioSF> I'm on droid right now...
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF: yep just apt-get install modest
<SuperMarioSF> woah that's a lot package to install
<SuperMarioSF> 90% of them are locales btw
<SuperMarioSF> well...
<SuperMarioSF> I installed it
<SuperMarioSF> but nothing happend
<SuperMarioSF> no new application, nothing in settings.
<SuperMarioSF> is a reboot required?
<Wizzup> I don't think so
<Wizzup> the application is called 'email'
<Wizzup> in settings there is no applet for it
<SuperMarioSF> there is no new application on application menu
<SuperMarioSF> I know that should be called "email"
<Wizzup> you can try to run it from terminal, but it should auto show up if the right package triggers run
<SuperMarioSF> it can show up with 'modest -s'
<SuperMarioSF> I'm rebooting
<SuperMarioSF> OK after a reboot it shown up
<SuperMarioSF> Seems worked correctly
<SuperMarioSF> attempt open a link and got "Unsupported link type"
<SuperMarioSF> because it's missing a "stock default browser"?
<SuperMarioSF> opening in 3rd party email client have no problem tho
<Wizzup> could be, don't know :)
<SuperMarioSF> well, don't mind I post too many bug report on bugtracker [emoji::rofl]
<Wizzup> please do :)
<freemangordon> SuperMarioSF: the url support is not email client thingie though
<freemangordon> but libhildonmime
<freemangordon> basically, in terms of maemo, there is no default browser
<freemangordon> we shall teach it to fallback to xdg
<SuperMarioSF> OK
<SuperMarioSF> works great
<bencoh> I was about to ask how does chromium perform on droid4?
<bencoh> (since firefox became near-unusable unfortunately)
<Wizzup> bencoh: did anyone file a bug with them about their poor platform gl detection?
<bencoh> I didn't, I haven't tried fiddling with the code itself either
<bencoh> meaning I don't really know what should be there or nt
<bencoh> building firefox is a pain, even on desktop/amd64
<bencoh> I kinda gave up on firefox and moved to qwebbrowser (whatever the spelling) tbh
<bencoh> Wizzup: oh, that, true
<Wizzup> I think all it needs is someone to report the bug and tell them to add __armhf__ or whatever the define is
<bencoh> that'd be a start yeah
<Wizzup> and of course that's not the perfect fix, but it will fix it for us
<SuperMarioSF> performance wise, if there is no poorly written javascript, no ongoing media (especially videos), with adblock, it should be fine.
<bencoh> I doubt it would fix it, but it would be a stat
<SuperMarioSF> Chromium is usable.
<Wizzup> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1738814 this is what triggered the change
<Wizzup> bencoh: I thought we tracked it down to thi schange
<SuperMarioSF> usually blocked ads, and don't access something that resourse intensive (e.g. Youtube for Videos) it should be fine.
<SuperMarioSF> many ads and trackers were written poorly and make a performance hit
<Wizzup> anyone volunteering to file this bug?
<SuperMarioSF> after a ad blocker (I'm using uBlock Origin), it is much better.
<freemangordon> yes, ublock origin FTW
<freemangordon> also, install user agent switched
<freemangordon> *switcher
<freemangordon> and pretend you are iphone6
<freemangordon> then even youtube becomes usable
<SuperMarioSF> for me a proxy switcher is much more important (because, duh, China, GFW thing)
<freemangordon> still, most os the sites serve lighter content if they know you are mobile device
<freemangordon> *of the
<SuperMarioSF> the next step for me is finding a way to access global internet. maybe I should use my eSIM.
<freemangordon> btw, I had to disable hardware acceleration
<SuperMarioSF> then I can just bypass any proxy
<freemangordon> otherwise chromium is very choppy for me, on d4
<freemangordon> I dont; know if it is eanbled by default, I guess no
<freemangordon> if it is enabled, disable it
<Wizzup> I'm filing bug now with firefox
<freemangordon> Wizzup: also, they somehow broke the performance badly with latest updates
<freemangordon> maybe uvos have more details
<SuperMarioSF> I don't think playing 720p H.264 Youtube videos without hardware acceleration is a good idea tho...
<freemangordon> no, I mean chromium "use hardware acceleration' option
<SuperMarioSF> ok
<freemangordon> GL iow
<freemangordon> use CPU rendering, not GPU
<SuperMarioSF> on default settings Chromium is working fine on my d4.
<freemangordon> hmm
<freemangordon> so I guess it is not using GL
<freemangordon> could you confirm?
<SuperMarioSF> if it is choppy I still use it because it saves on battery.
<SuperMarioSF> ... how?
<freemangordon> in settings
<freemangordon> search for "hard"
<Wizzup> freemangordon: do we know when it broke?
<SuperMarioSF> Use hardware acceleration when available: ON
<Wizzup> freemangordon: the hw accel I mean
<SuperMarioSF> it was enabled
<Wizzup> in firefox
<freemangordon> SuperMarioSF: hmm...
<freemangordon> could you disable, restart chromium and test if it still the same?
<SuperMarioSF> OK
<freemangordon> there was chromium update a day or 2 ago, maybe they fixed something
* freemangordon checks
<Wizzup> bencoh: freemangordon: uvos ^^
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I am not sure they broke HW acceleration or COU rendering
<SuperMarioSF> disabled hw accel, and it was a bit choopy
<freemangordon> *CPU
<SuperMarioSF> not that obvious tho
<Wizzup> freemangordon: in any case that code is obviously wrong
<freemangordon> right
<freemangordon> SuperMarioSF: is that d4?
<SuperMarioSF> yes, it is a d4, on -devel
<freemangordon> ah, this is beowulf
<Wizzup> freemangordon: and I see the exact error in their code
<Wizzup> as in
<Wizzup> record_error("GLX extension missing");
<Wizzup> $ firefox-esr -P
<Wizzup> [GFX1-]: glxtest: eglCreateContext returned an error
<Wizzup> [GFX1-]: glxtest: GLX extension missing
<freemangordon> so you are without GPU rendering no matter the setting
<freemangordon> Wizzup: yeah, I know
<freemangordon> and agree
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ok, so clearly this code is active and a problem :P
<SuperMarioSF> I guess enable hw accel did nothing
<freemangordon> SuperMarioSF: right
<freemangordon> we have fixes in chimaera that actually allow chromium to enable GPU rendering
<Wizzup> freemangordon: uvos: I think we should decide if we release chimaera soon and just without elogind support initially, it is becoming more of a nuisance to support both IMO
<SuperMarioSF> oh, about elogind
<SuperMarioSF> I was attempt installing kleopatra
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I have no enough expertise to decide
<freemangordon> so up to you to decide
<Wizzup> freemangordon: "it works", but many packages are not installable
<freemangordon> I know
<Wizzup> like blueman (the gtk3 bluetooth manager)
<freemangordon> and gparted and whatnot
<SuperMarioSF> and it had package dependency problem in elogind
<Wizzup> I think it's not about expertise, it's about what we want to communicate to others :)
<SuperMarioSF> on -devel droid
<freemangordon> me PR?!?
<freemangordon> :p
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF: yes, we also block elogind on beowulf, but there less pkgs depends on it
<Wizzup> anything that directly depends on elogind is currently a no-no everywhere on leste
<Wizzup> freemangordon: well we can look into allowing elogind to start without it negatively affecting the system, many apps don't truly depend on it running for example
<Wizzup> that would be a stop gap I guess
<Wizzup> either that or we go full tinydm session
<SuperMarioSF> maybe elogind is just providing some session related thing for those apps
<SuperMarioSF> for kleopatra it may because KDE related thing
<Wizzup> it doesn't just 'provide' that, but it also 'provides' a broken experience, i.e. pressing the power button will shut down the phone with elogind installed
<Wizzup> and it will also cause chimaera phones to get bricked a boot to a black screen
<freemangordon> Wizzup: is it dbus service?
<Wizzup> so there's a bunch of work to do there, and like I said there's two immediate ways forward
<Wizzup> freemangordon: it's a systemd thing, so it's everything
<SuperMarioSF> [emoji::rofl] Oh that is a broken one indeed
<Wizzup> freemangordon: jokes aside, it seems to take over from consolekit and other similar login tracking programs
<Wizzup> like, this is the thing that on servers will kill all your processes if you log out from ssh
<Wizzup> no matter if you run them in screen or whatever
<freemangordon> can't we just add Provides: elogind to one of our metas?
<freemangordon> and call it a day?
<Wizzup> lol, we could try, that's option (2)
<Wizzup> option (1) was trying to make a elogind compatible session eventually
<Wizzup> maybe it's not a bad short term "solution"
<freemangordon> 2 is not really an option
<freemangordon> but a short-term workaraound
<freemangordon> the only option is 1
<Wizzup> right, we might be in for a whole bunch of brokenness down the line
<freemangordon> but, in order to release
<SuperMarioSF> provide a elogind package do absolutely nothing [emoji::rofl] the problem is what if elogind is actually being needed?
<Wizzup> but I'll try it
<freemangordon> right
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF: right
<freemangordon> SuperMarioSF: I really don;t see how a package like gparted (or blueman) would require anything from alogind
<freemangordon> it is like a cancer to me, this systemd ideology
<Wizzup> the idea of tracking programs within a desktop session makes some sense to me, it's just too bad that gnome and everyone under the sun immediately depend on it
<Wizzup> brb
<freemangordon> sicelo: SuperMarioSF: the is a new ofono plugin in -devel repo, please upgrade
<freemangordon> sicelo: I will appreciate if you test that new plugin from scratch, like reset iap/context/etc, including APN change
<freemangordon> this pugin shall fix the APN change issue
<sicelo> cool. in evening i can try
<freemangordon> ok, thanks
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I am not sure this commit is the reason for bad performance
<freemangordon> but I cannot find the video that uvos posted on YT
<Wizzup> freemangordon: well for sure firefox no longer uses gpu accel
<freemangordon> I will wait for him top appear
<freemangordon> I am not sure it ever used
<freemangordon> because if you look at the commit, they changed from #define to a variable
<freemangordon> to my understanding
<Wizzup> no
<Wizzup> before it would always try gles
<Wizzup> freemangordon: oh
<Wizzup> freemangordon: well maybe it was wrong before then :)
<freemangordon> mhm :)
<Wizzup> but I know it used to work for sure
<freemangordon> so, we have 2 issues
<freemangordon> one is that gles never worked on armhf
<freemangordon> the other being: unusable performance since some update
<freemangordon> I think it was 6x->7x
<freemangordon> but not sure
<freemangordon> I think uvos has details
<freemangordon> not saying gl detection shall not be fixed
<freemangordon> just that I think it will not fix the performance issue
<Wizzup> ok
<Wizzup> maybe it will if they use the gpu sw render as 'hw accel' :)
<freemangordon> ah
<freemangordon> llvmpipe?
<freemangordon> I think they blacklist that explicitly
<freemangordon> but yeah
<freemangordon> at least I recovered my bugzilla account :)
<freemangordon> ttyl
<Wizzup> for sure in 2021 there was no 'useGles'
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: going to bisect esr versions in debian repo
<bencoh> freemangordon: yeah, I checked again after discussing with uvos, and firefox 78 worked decently (even though gl accel did not work), and it got unusable later
<freemangordon> firefox-esr_78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1_armhf.deb scrolls like butter
<bencoh> I know 78 is okay, and 93 is unusable
<freemangordon> right
<freemangordon> will check the next one
<bencoh> I dunno if there is a next-one available in repos
<freemangordon> 91
<bencoh> oh, they kept it around?
<freemangordon> maybe you mean 91, not 93?
<bencoh> ah, 83 is there too
<bencoh> hmm, maybe
<bencoh> lemme check
<freemangordon> where do you see 83?
<bencoh> uhwait, the only 83 deb is for mipsel?
<freemangordon> this is not esr
<bencoh> yeah I know
<freemangordon> but yeah
<freemangordon> should not matter
<bencoh> yeah, 91.11 is the one I tried apparently
<freemangordon> lemme check in on mozilla-central
<freemangordon> hmm, they don't build for arm :(
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I wonder if your bug is valid
<freemangordon> maybe they don;t support armhf on desktop ;)
<freemangordon> OTOH, the code is still wrong
<freemangordon> they don;t support anything desktop arm
<freemangordon> how nice :(
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: what makes you say this?
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<freemangordon> look at the builds
<freemangordon> they == mozilla
<sicelo> Wizzup: logind & power button - shutdown is configurable
<Wizzup> I know it is
<sicelo> 🤙
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<rafael2k> packaged
<Wizzup> great :)
<Wizzup> the amd64 pkg failed
<Wizzup> I think the source part might need a Section:
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<Wizzup> uvos: does sphone exit ok for you with the qtloop?
<Wizzup> it segfaults for me in glib poll
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<uvos__> Wizzup: it def used to
<uvos__> Wizzup: dose it still do that if you dont load any qt modules?
<Wizzup> let me try
<Wizzup> if I don't load comm-telepathy it still does it
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> thats new
<uvos__> it dosent do it on beowulf
<uvos__> it seams
<Wizzup> freemangordon: mozilla folk seem helpful :)
<uvos__> "prefer GLES on armhf as well."
<uvos__> this is so silly i cant even
<uvos__> what dose the installed gpu have to do with the cpu arch
<Wizzup> :)
<SuperMarioSF_> freemangordon: so is there some documents about how to reset IAP/context/something else?
<SuperMarioSF_> btw I guess I need a GUI gconf editor
<Wizzup> uvos__: btw I do think it's not harful to try gles first
<Wizzup> harmful*
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<Wizzup> uvos__: the contacts resolving can maybe be done based on schema
<Wizzup> currently my tp module exports 'tel' only
<Wizzup> but I imagine that might need to be amended with sip
<Wizzup> and/or xmpp
<uvos__> Wizzup: sure maybe, but currently we know what sheme what backend can do
<uvos__> but not what sheme what call is
<uvos__> and then we would still need some big table that converts shemes to vcf fields
<Wizzup> I think we can just do what fremantle does
<Wizzup> it seems to work fine
<uvos__> and then a table that converts vcf fields to ebook fileds
<uvos__> whats that?
<Wizzup> not sure :)
<Wizzup> freemangordon might have a good idea
<uvos__> anyhow i dont like tis
<uvos__> the backend should just specify what vcf fields it wants
<Wizzup> so move the table to the backend?
<Wizzup> fine by me
<uvos__> sure eatch backed sais what fields it wants contacts to match too
<uvos__> and a vcf field -> ebook table is then in the ebook module
<Wizzup> I don't know what they are in the ebook module
<uvos__> that probubly exists allready anyhow
<uvos__> ?
<Wizzup> hm?
<uvos__> "I don't know what they are in the ebook module"
<uvos__> makes no sese to me
<uvos__> what what is
<Wizzup> I mean I don't know what the fields names or prefixes are
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<Wizzup> in any case I'm happy to mod the module for this
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> well we need to add the interface to comm first
<uvos__> something like enum { vcf fields } and then a list of vcf enums to the backend register function
<uvos__> then the ebook module can grab the list for the backend for the call
<uvos__> and match based on those fields
<Wizzup> ok
<freemangordon> we already have such enum
<freemangordon> we have ECard basically
<freemangordon> that is vcf
<freemangordon> can't find any online eds documentation :(
<uvos__> yes but that requires you to have eds installed
<uvos__> sphone dose not require eds
<Wizzup> ugh
<uvos__> so you cant use its headers in core
<freemangordon> so, sphone carries everything and the kitchen sink? its own contacts db, etc?
<uvos__> no
<uvos__> but everythin is contained in the modules
<uvos__> and functionalitiy degrades gracefull when a dependancy is missing
<freemangordon> oh, it is EVCard
<Wizzup> there is a evolution module
<freemangordon> "Types and Values"
<uvos__> yes exactly
<freemangordon> so, who is going to parse vcf files?
<uvos__> and only the evolution module may depend on evolution
<freemangordon> if there is no evolution?
<uvos__> no one is parsing vcf files
<freemangordon> I see
<uvos__> some other module that parses vcf fiels
<uvos__> with no changes to the other modules
<uvos__> the point is that the evolution module may be replaced
<uvos__> thats the whole point of sphones architecture
<freemangordon> I understand that, but what I don;t understand is how such a module (supporting some form of contacts import/export) is not mandatory
<uvos__> this isent about contacts import or export
<Wizzup> we can make it mandatory for us
<uvos__> its about what fields to use to match a contact
<uvos__> to a call
<uvos__> and vice versa
<freemangordon> I think we are rediscovering the hot water
<uvos__> not really
<freemangordon> everybody is using vcf
<freemangordon> and you have UID tehre
<freemangordon> *there
<Wizzup> I think the way to see it is that sphone sees the concept of contacts as optional
<uvos__> dutr
<uvos__> sure
<uvos__> but we get a call
<uvos__> we only know the number or sip handle or whatsapp username or whatever from that call
<uvos__> we need to figure out what contact this call is comeing from
<freemangordon> Wizzup: I understand that, but that's some academic approach I am not sure is the best
<uvos__> no uuids help us here
<uvos__> we need to know what the backend the specific inceoming string iding the call
<uvos__> corrisponds to in terms of contact fields
<freemangordon> uvos__: if you assume that vcf UID is the common denominator for all plugins, then you can use it
<uvos__> thats all
<uvos__> no i can not
<uvos__> its physicly impossible to get a cellular call
<uvos__> and magicly get some id from that
<uvos__> you only get a phone number
<uvos__> from the modem
<freemangordon> why? you can ask ads (or whatever backend) to give you the UID for that phone
<uvos__> _thats_ where we are at
<freemangordon> *eds
<uvos__> yes
<Wizzup> uvos__: unrelated, how do you hold and re-activate calls in sphone
<uvos__> but sphone dosent know that the string its getting from a backend IS a phone number
<uvos__> thats all this is about
<uvos__> add ing a way the backend can tell sphone what the incoeming line id is
<freemangordon> ok, maybe then sphone can provide an interface based on EVCard attributes (I hate to say it, but maybe duplicate those defines)
<uvos__> Wizzup: well you press hold on a call
<Wizzup> uvos__: like how does the hold trigger communicate if it should hold or release
<uvos__> Wizzup: and then you press hold again to activate
<uvos__> but it dosent work
<uvos__> beacuse it dosent work on d4 ofono
<uvos__> so no backend currently implements call holding
<uvos__> so its also untested
<Wizzup> the remove party can also put you on hold
<Wizzup> remote*
<uvos__> sure but holding just dosent work at all
<uvos__> atm
<uvos__> we dont get holding information form either end from ofono
<uvos__> (ps if a backend did know the rmote party put us on hold it would just push that call down the pipe itself)
<uvos__> freemangordon: yes thats exactly the plan
<freemangordon> ugly, but yeah, might work
<Wizzup> uvos__: what?
<uvos__> freemangordon: and the eds module then uses that information to match the right contact
<uvos__> and tell the rest of sphone about it
<uvos__> Wizzup: [16:33] <freemangordon> ok, maybe then sphone can provide an interface based on EVCard attributes (I hate to say it, but maybe duplicate those defines)
<Wizzup> uvos__: no, I mean, 'push that call down the pipe itself' ?
<Wizzup> I can definitely detect hold of remote party in telepathy-ring
<Wizzup> but I don't know how I put someone on hold since I don't see the button for it
<freemangordon> uvos__: BTW, do you still have a link to that FF d4 video around?
<uvos__> backend finds out call goes on hold
<Wizzup> and the trigger only allows to put something on hold, it doesn't allow for killing the hold
<uvos__> backend pushes that call down the hold pipe
<Wizzup> yes, that's for the remote party
<Wizzup> but you can also put the other side on hold yourself
<uvos__> ui wants a hold
<uvos__> ui pushes the call down the hold pipe
<uvos__> its that simple
<Wizzup> I don't need the hold pipe to push hold down the pipe, I can use &call_properties_changed_pipe for that
<Wizzup> uvos__: ok, but as a user, how do I do that now?
<uvos__> theres a hold button
<uvos__> hmm maybe i hid it
<Wizzup> ok, and where is the unhold?
<uvos__> because it dosent work with ofono
<Wizzup> since the hold trigger doesn't allow specifying hold:TRUE or hold:FALSE
<uvos__> Wizzup: same button
<uvos__> Wizzup: just changes its text
<Wizzup> ok, but the backend doesn't know if you want to hold or not
<Wizzup> I can store that info locally in the backend per call of course
<uvos__> sure it dose
<uvos__> yes the backend is expected to have a list of calls
<uvos__> anyhow this holding thing is untested and maybe half implemented (dont remember)
<Wizzup> I'd like to implement it
<uvos__> since it dident work in ofono it stoped working on it
<Wizzup> when was this?
<uvos__> when i started working on sphone :P
<uvos__> since you are the first backend to implement holding if it makes your code easier
<uvos__> you can also add a new unhold pipe
<uvos__> and just change to ui to call the right one depending on the state of the currently selected call
<uvos__> in the active calls list
<Wizzup> let's assume it works in ofono
<Wizzup> I guess call->state can be used in the hold function
<Wizzup> it just seems more clear to have an un-hold somehow
<uvos__> if you like
<uvos__> heh bbc page dates this hevily
<uvos__> this is also ddk1.9
<uvos__> so ff is slightly underperforming here
<uvos__> theres also one with bionic
<freemangordon> do you have a video with FF performing better? I want to add the link to the bug on bugzilla
<uvos__> freemangordon: no
<uvos__> but i mean it perfomes fine here
<uvos__> ddk1.17 is only slightly better
<freemangordon> ok
<freemangordon> thanks
<Wizzup> uvos__: I will try to submit a PR today for the comm-telepathy module
<Wizzup> I'm sure you'll have some comments
<uvos__> for one thing
<uvos__> if your module is larger than one source file
<uvos__> put it in a folder please
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<Wizzup> ok
<Wizzup> and for a hildonized gtk, another module?
<freemangordon> wow, "Patches submitted 14" :)
<freemangordon> when did I do that?
<Wizzup> uvos__: btw for local testing with sphone the modules in another dir breaks the working of sphone
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<Wizzup> I had to make symlinks for modules in nested dirs
<uvos__> Wizzup: what hildonized gtk?
<uvos__> Wizzup: the current ui dose use some hildon functions (optionally)
<Wizzup> ui module that makes it behave like maemo/fremantle
<Wizzup> stacked windows
<Wizzup> rtcom log
<uvos__> the windows are stacked
<uvos__> byw this is a problem
<uvos__> as libhildon supports only one stack per process
<uvos__> but sphone really needs 2
<uvos__> and this causes some strange behavior
<bencoh> debian/rules:236: *** Unfortunately cannot build on armhf. Try a 64-bits kernel. Stop.
<freemangordon> what?
<bencoh> that's when trying to build firefox from debian's git
<Wizzup> uvos__: we only need main window with rtcom log, contacts, and dialer button, and dialer window on top of it, and on top of that the call window
<Wizzup> the sms stuff will be handled by conversations with tp module
<bencoh> either my builder borked the build system, or ... I'm missing something
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<uvos__> Wizzup: thats nice that its handled by conversations
<freemangordon> bencoh: maybe try apt-get source
<uvos__> but that has no bearing on sphone
<bencoh> freemangordon: yeah I'll try that
<Wizzup> it does on sphone in leste :p
<uvos__> and sphone must continue to support messages
<uvos__> sure but you may not break it
<freemangordon> I don;t think it is a good idea to have 2 sms apps active in parallel
<uvos__> sphone is modular
<freemangordon> so as soon as we have conversations, I think disabling sphone hildon module for sms makes sense
<uvos__> you need not load those modules
<uvos__> still you may not break them
<uvos__> and the windows are stacked
<freemangordon> so, what is the issue? how to show smsm while in a call?
<freemangordon> *sms
<uvos__> its just that the sms and dialer windows are stacked on top of eatch other
<uvos__> because of hildon limitations
<uvos__> so idk what wizzup wants to change
<freemangordon> the main window, iiuc
<freemangordon> a side question: how am I supposed to use MESA_EXTENSION_OVERRIDE?
<freemangordon> MESA_EXTENSION_OVERRIDE="-EGL_CHROMIUM_sync_control" eglinfo still returns EGL_CHROMIUM_sync_control
<Wizzup> uvos__: hence a new module
<Wizzup> so then on leste we load what we want
<Wizzup> and on non-leste it uses other modules
<uvos__> im still not sure what you want
<uvos__> make the recens dialog the main window?
<uvos__> essetally?
<uvos__> hard no, the dailer should be the first window
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<Wizzup> then we must fork...
<Wizzup> we can just make a new ui module, seems easiest to me
<uvos__> why would you want recents as the first window...
<uvos__> even contacts would make more sense
<Wizzup> it's what fremantle does, and it makes so much sense, I use it *all* the time
<Wizzup> android does the same
<uvos__> not really
<uvos__> android has both one window
<uvos__> wich is fine
<uvos__> (and is incedentally how sphone used to work)
<Wizzup> almost like a stacked window with a dialer button :P
<uvos__> not really
<freemangordon> uvos__: from UX POV, what is the idea of having a dialer on the first window?
<freemangordon> how often you dial numbers, compared to redialing a contact or selecting a contact from a list
<uvos__> you place a phone call you dial a number
<uvos__> all the time
<freemangordon> no
<freemangordon> you dial a contact
<Wizzup> I literally never do this unless it's some number I don't know
<uvos__> but not recents
<uvos__> but yes i do use contacts more often
<uvos__> recents makes little sense
<freemangordon> not really
<rafael2k> Wizzup, harbour-pinhole pkg build fixed!
<Wizzup> recent is 90% of my calls
<freemangordon> mine too
<Wizzup> also great for calling someone back
<freemangordon> but close to 95 maybe
<Wizzup> when you missed the call
<freemangordon> exactly
<uvos__> when you missed a call it takes you straigt there
<uvos__> so no change tehre
<freemangordon> what if you have 3 missed calls?
<Wizzup> no, only when you keep that window open
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<uvos__> freemangordon: what then?
<uvos__> recents is longer than 3 calls
<uvos__> Wizzup: so?
<freemangordon> yes, but you have everything ordered by time of the (missed) call
<uvos__> so? not sure what you expect to happen when you click on a missed call
<uvos__> it takes you to the call in the list
<uvos__> thats all
<freemangordon> uvos__: sure, we can do it so you are required to solve a puzlle to be able to call back, but that's not user friendly
<uvos__> ?
<uvos__> you click on the missed call notification it takes you to the call in the lst
<freemangordon> clicking on a missed call shall bring you to the selection of what you want to do:
<uvos__> you click on that, it enters the number
<freemangordon> no
<uvos__> for you to then click call
<uvos__> how is that a puzzle
<freemangordon> no, you may not want to call back, but instead to do sms
<freemangordon> or call back via sip
<freemangordon> etc
<Wizzup> yup
<bencoh> on fremantle it just takes to you the recent calls list
<freemangordon> right
<uvos__> on sphone exactly the same
<Wizzup> no, it takes you to dialer
<freemangordon> but clicking on an entry in the recent calls does not bring the dialer
<freemangordon> no
<uvos__> Wizzup: no it dosent
<Wizzup> the phone icon takes you to dialer
<uvos__> clicking on the entry DOSE bring the dialer
<Wizzup> this is silly
<freemangordon> it asks what to do: call or sms
<uvos__> where you can then choose the backend
* Wizzup takes a break
<Wizzup> we want our phone to be one icon
<freemangordon> agree
<uvos__> the only thing in sphone it is annoying to sms someone who you missed a call of
<uvos__> but thats a easy fix
<freemangordon> I don;t think it is that easy
<uvos__> just add a way to message a entry in the recents list
<freemangordon> if you don't integrate with addressbook
<bencoh> basically on fremantle clicking a missing call entry brings up the contact card
<freemangordon> exactly
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<sicelo> freemangordon: libicd-network-ofono 1.1.0+2m7 ? looks like it still doesn't save apn in context
<freemangordon> umm
<freemangordon> did I forget to do something?
<sicelo> perhaps :-)
<freemangordon> ah, in th econtext
<freemangordon> but at least it finds the correct context, no?
<freemangordon> if you change the apn that is
<sicelo> not sure i understand ... there's still one context
<sicelo> which doesn't have apn
<freemangordon> yes, but you edit from the settings
<freemangordon> and enter some apn
<freemangordon> this apn is not saved to context for some reason, but is set on iap, correct?
<sicelo> yes. and this apn from settings doesn't make it to the ofono context. that one still has no apn
<freemangordon> ok, that's another bug then :)
<freemangordon> so, is it set on iap?
<sicelo> yes it exists in iap
<freemangordon> great
<freemangordon> so I must have forgotten to set it to the context
<freemangordon> ok, will fix that, thanks for reporting
<sicelo> freemangordon: sorry if i wasn't clear before (some days ago) - i actually originally meant the apn doesn't get set on the ofono context itself
<sicelo> great :-)
<freemangordon> yes, but back then it was unable to find the contaxt when apn was changed, no?
<freemangordon> and now it finds it, it is just that apn (and user/pwd perhaps in that regard) arte not set back
<freemangordon> correct?
<sicelo> i am not sure. let me explain
<freemangordon> no need
<freemangordon> I think I know what the issue is
<sicelo> ah yes, correct. i misread
<freemangordon> ok, great
<freemangordon> hopefully tomorrow I will fix that
<sicelo> thanks. no rush
* sicelo has no time these days ... but can test, as long as it takes no more than 30 mins :-)
<rafael2k> I was playing with whatsmeow... it is pretty easy to use
<rafael2k> I just needed to get used to go
<rafael2k> btw, for people in amd64, harbour-pinhole should work on any platform with proper camera drivers
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<rafael2k> Get:7 https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security/main arm64 linux-headers-arm64 arm64 5.10.162-1 [1,180 B]
<rafael2k> this is strange
<rafael2k> anyway, it seems all good
<Wizzup> rafael2k: we can try to use whatsmeow for tp, but if it requires whatsapp web it will always require some android or ios device
<Wizzup> whatsapp/facebook will be forced to offer an api per new eu law
<Wizzup> so we can wait that one out maybe
<bencoh> yeah, whatsmeow's howto recommends using the android sdk emulator and passthrough a webcam
<bencoh> which is nice but not enough
<sicelo> Wizzup: really? what law is that?
<Wizzup> sicelo: will need to look it up
<Wizzup> it's the gatekeeper one
<Wizzup> requiring interoperability
<Wizzup> in car atm
<bencoh> something tells me they'll still find a way to keep some kind of "auth" ("to prevent spam, of course")
<Wizzup> we'll see
<Wizzup> auth is ok
<Wizzup> as long as it doesn't require nonfree crap
<Wizzup> imo
<bencoh> yeah, but ....
<bencoh> well, we'll see :)
<SuperMarioSF_> oops
<SuperMarioSF_> I made a mistake
<SuperMarioSF_> SIM card is not recognized after a battery swap
<SuperMarioSF_> I don't know why
<SuperMarioSF_> but I can sure SIM card itself is working correctly
<bencoh> I failed building firefox from apt-get source as well btw, even after bypassing the armhf/arm64 thing, I still get a stupid python stacktrace and "Permission denied" at the end of the configure process
<bencoh> Wizzup: you might want to try building on the arm64 boards
<SuperMarioSF_> It's time for a big brain solution: I'm gonna use my another d4. I'm gonna transplant the working screen on my broken d4 to my another working d4
<bencoh> uh
<SuperMarioSF_> my another working d4 having a broken screen
<bencoh> how would a battery swap affect the SIM module though?
<SuperMarioSF_> I wonder that.
<SuperMarioSF_> It doesn't even connected together.
<SuperMarioSF_> maybe I used too much force lifting battery and breaked baseband somehow
<SuperMarioSF_> this time I will be careful.
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<SuperMarioSF_> well
<SuperMarioSF_> I should make sure this phone actually works
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<SuperMarioSF_> I have a different idea tho
<SuperMarioSF_> maybe it is not baseband related
<SuperMarioSF_> it may be because the Android side
<SuperMarioSF_> it switched to CDMA mode
<SuperMarioSF_> That the reason I can't get signal
<SuperMarioSF_> Lemme check real quicl
<Wizzup> bencoh: I can give you access to a honeycomb dev vm
<Wizzup> I set one up for dsc the other day
<bencoh> if it runs an armhf rootfs it might help
<bencoh> well, assuming I understand how this build is supposed to work anyway
<bencoh> I don't really understand how debian builds it
<bencoh> (arm64 kernel host running an armhf debian rootfs, _maybe_)
<bencoh> oh and, funnily enough they read /sys/devices/system/cpu/modalias for detection of kernel cputype, which happily returns x86 in our container
<bencoh> or I could try building on my lepotato board here
<bencoh> err, 2G ram won't cut it, nevermind
<SuperMarioSF_> well
<SuperMarioSF_> I fixed it
<SuperMarioSF_> it was the problem on android side
<SuperMarioSF_> I did a switch now SIM care is working.
<SuperMarioSF_> lemme check leste side really quick
<SuperMarioSF_> It's working perfectly now
<SuperMarioSF_> however I still want a screen swap
<SuperMarioSF_> so I will do it anyways
<SuperMarioSF_> to be exact: it will be a shell swap, I will keep the mainboard intact
<Wizzup> bencoh: yes armhf root
<bencoh> Wizzup: sounds good then
<Wizzup> bencoh: just a few mins, dm me ssh pubkey pls
<bencoh> Wizzup: we can setup a native lxc container if you don't want to mess with the main rootfs
<Wizzup> bencoh: up to you
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<bencoh> Wizzup: hmm apparently that board runs a v7l (armhf) kernel, not aarch64
<bencoh> I'll try anyway
<Wizzup> bencoh: you wanted aarch64?
<bencoh> for kernel yeah
<bencoh> but armhf rootfs
<bencoh> anyway, we'll see if it builds
<bencoh> I removed the check
<Wizzup> bencoh: oh, it was just for kernel? I thought this was a firefox thing :D
<bencoh> it's to build firefox
<bencoh> but firefox buildsystem checks kernel arch
<bencoh> (they say it's because 32b has limited process memory size)
<Wizzup> we have lpae
<bencoh> yeah ... well, we'll see, currently building
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<Wizzup> :)
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<SuperMarioSF> hello from fixed d4
<SuperMarioSF> battery and chassis replaced
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<sicelo> SuperMarioSF_: nice
<SuperMarioSF_> here is a problem
<SuperMarioSF_> it seems nowdays if a uncalibrated battery goes below 30% it will automatically shutdown, so can I just start calibration there?
* sicelo long gave up about calibration on d4 ... i just charge whenever i get a chance
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<SuperMarioSF_> nvm
<SuperMarioSF_> I goes to android side
<SuperMarioSF_> and it report battery at 4%
<Wizzup> sicelo: but, freemangordon has charger patches no?
<SuperMarioSF_> I'm waiting for it automatically shutodown
<SuperMarioSF_> and I know what happend to my modem
<Wizzup> ah?
<SuperMarioSF_> it seems the LineageOS installed on this device cannot properly handle CDMA/GSM switching
<SuperMarioSF_> once startup it stuck at some weird state, neither CDMA nor GSM
<SuperMarioSF_> I switched to CDMA (NV mode) after while I can see a roaming icon, then it successfully entered CDMA mode.
<SuperMarioSF_> Then switched to GSM mode (RUIM/SIM mode), and my SIM card finally show up.
<SuperMarioSF_> For comparsion, the stock Motorola firmware handled this properly.
<SuperMarioSF_> Once my SIM card show up, reboot into Leste, it will work correctly.
<SuperMarioSF_> and every time LineageOS boot up, it will enter that weird state, so I need to switch it every time if I booted into Android.
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<Wizzup> oh yes, this can happen
<bencoh> Wizzup: g++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus
<bencoh> :(
<bencoh> I think it's a memory issue
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<SuperMarioSF_> weird
<SuperMarioSF_> the battery at 1% and it keep running for at least 15min now
<SuperMarioSF_> on android side
<SuperMarioSF_> and battery voltage is all over the place
<SuperMarioSF_> I guess they didn't get a real data from PMIC
<sicelo> hehe, yes it's all black magic
<SuperMarioSF_> I'm going to play some video to make the battery drain even more faster
<SuperMarioSF_> ah
<SuperMarioSF_> finally it shut down
* freemangordon wonders what is wrong with usiing swap nowadays :)
<freemangordon> bencoh: ^^^
<freemangordon> Wizzup: going to post the requested info on bugzilla
<freemangordon> about:config that is, from FF 78
<freemangordon> unfortunately, gl rendering seems disabled to me
<SuperMarioSF_> btw
<SuperMarioSF_> found a issue
<SuperMarioSF_> maybe related to libhildonmime
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<SuperMarioSF_> I can't load any image in modest email client, even if I clicked download image button
<SuperMarioSF_> all image shown broken
<SuperMarioSF_> it is fine in another email client tho
<freemangordon> yes, the same as with browser
<freemangordon> there is not default image viewer
<freemangordon> *no
<SuperMarioSF_> I guess I will pile up many bugs these days. Now I have to go have some rest, I'm going have a trip 5hours later
<Wizzup> SuperMarioSF_: great, yeah, please file them when you can
<gliffy> I may have found a possible culprit for the choppines I mentioned earlier on the n900. The change between the image builds 20220123 and 20220206 that I think might cause it is the replacement of the package "ti-omap3-sgx" with various other packages. I haven't been able to confirm this though since xorg has failed to start every time I tried replacing the package or upgrading the rest of the system. Does anyone have any
<gliffy> insight on the difference between "ti-omap3-sgx" and the packages that replace it?
<Wizzup> Hm.. that would be going from ddx 1.9 to ddx 1.17 I think
<gliffy> Could that be the reason?
<freemangordon> yes
<freemangordon> also, I think that on ddk 1.9 was using 16bpp
<freemangordon> but not sure
<freemangordon> gliffy: those are GPU driver blobs
<gliffy> I see
<freemangordon> we were forced to move omapfb->omapdrm
<freemangordon> but, last time I checked it was not *that* bad
<sicelo> mmm, one of the things i like with maemo seems to not be working in leste - that when you open an (hildon) internet-needing application, it automatically establishes a connection, or prompts for one. just tried "Send and Receive" in Modest while not connected. didn't get a prompt
<freemangordon> that's weird, it should have worke
<freemangordon> *worked
<rafael2k> camera focus working! yay!
<bencoh> neat
<freemangordon> unless we didn;t compile it with correct libs
<freemangordon> cool
<sicelo> perhaps someone else can try, to rule out something being broken with my setup
<freemangordon> lemme try here
<freemangordon> hmm
<freemangordon> 'refresh' should open connect to dialog
<freemangordon> but it does not
<rafael2k> I put the desktop entry ^
<freemangordon> sicelo: so yeah, seems broken
<sicelo> rafael2k: hehe, reminds me of sfos (icons with that shape)
<freemangordon> that's qml, no?
<sicelo> i meant the application icon (in the list)
<freemangordon> gliffy: maybe try to edit /etc/init.d/xorg
<freemangordon> to start Xorg in 16bpp mode
<freemangordon> to see if it makes it better (it should)
<gliffy> Ok I will see what I can do
<rafael2k> sicelo, it is from sfos
<rafael2k> qml, yes!
<sicelo> haha, makes sense :p
<rafael2k> :P
<rafael2k> he supports better the silica toolkit, it is his "prime" platform
<rafael2k> silica qml widgets.. but also kirigami and qt-controls and uutk
<sicelo> i think i remember piggz from his maemo (or harmattan?) days
<rafael2k> pretty sure he is from that times
<freemangordon> sicelo: yep, something is broken in modest
<freemangordon> with HAM it works properly
<Wizzup> freemangordon: thanks for posting that
<Wizzup> rafael2k: we could add it to the meta later (of course it won't do anything on droid etc)
<Wizzup> rafael2k: maybe we could call it 'Camera' in the desktop entry, not sure
<sicelo> (i intend to play with the n900's camera a little bit, in the near future)
<sicelo> at least i know laurent is interested in it for libcamera
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<rafael2k> Wizzup, yeap, just camera will be fine
<Wizzup> rafael2k: you can change this in the .desktop
<Wizzup> I think
<rafael2k> I will change
<Wizzup> cool
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<uvos> freemangordon: ddk1.9 did not run in 16bit
<freemangordon> ok
<uvos> 16bit dident work there at all
<uvos> and if you run x with -depth 16
<uvos> you will discovery everything is broken
<freemangordon> what is 'everything'?
<freemangordon> FYI I run it like that
<uvos> firefox wil hang on start, chrome will render just a black window, qt will render a black window (or sometimes work depending on the app)
<uvos> gtk dose seam to work
<uvos> but thats about it
<freemangordon> yes, I know
<freemangordon> ok
<freemangordon> so, maybe we have worse performance regression on n900 that I thought
<uvos> no idea bout that
<gliffy> I just tried with -depth 16 and no effect on choppiness unfortunately
<uvos> note n900 never ran ddk1.9
<freemangordon> ugh
<uvos> it ran something even older
<uvos> there are no 1.9 blobs for omap3
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> gliffy: ok, will try to find some time soon to see what happens
<uvos> i think
<uvos> the fbdev ddx n900 used
<uvos> had full exa accel
<freemangordon> so we do
<uvos> do we accelerate everything now?
<freemangordon> yes
<uvos> i thought just blits
<uvos> ok
<freemangordon> well, blits and fills
<freemangordon> but that's all that matters in terms of h-d
<freemangordon> also xv
<freemangordon> but that's irrelevant
<uvos> one thing thats wierd (Not sure if related)
<uvos> but hildon desktop seams to require disk io to scroll the home screens
<freemangordon> hmm
<uvos> if the sdcard is hevly loaded on d4
<freemangordon> why is that?
<uvos> hd will hang
<freemangordon> that's weird
<uvos> also if you have the "hdd light"
<uvos> activeted
<freemangordon> should not happen
<uvos> you will find it blinks everytime you swipe on hildon home
<uvos> concievable if disk io is very slow this could be causeing it to stutter even when the sdcard is not loaded
<freemangordon> hmm
<uvos> could be it logging very verbosely somewhere mabye?
<freemangordon> hmm
<uvos> not sure why it would be this synchronous
<freemangordon> we have to check that
<freemangordon> but yeah, this may explain it
<freemangordon> :)
<freemangordon> going to rebuild
<freemangordon> for chimaera first, then maybe foe beowulf-devel
<Wizzup> freemangordon: lol
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> not sure how to fix that though
<freemangordon> shall I assume if it is amd64 then this is VM? seems silly to me
<Wizzup> do we need this check at all?
<Wizzup> just use the normal conic
<freemangordon> well, see the note
<Wizzup> well, we support ethernet!
<Wizzup> :)
<Wizzup> and also dummy plugin
<freemangordon> but conic does not
<freemangordon> ah, right
<Wizzup> yeah, this is just icd2
<freemangordon> ok, so I'll remove that, but will leave the code for dummy conic device
<Wizzup> ok, let's just make sure it's not used
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: maybe we can build a separate package for the VM
<Wizzup> freemangordon: but why? we just need eth. plugin for icd2 or dummy
<Wizzup> all the other SW also needs to deal with this
<Wizzup> so let's not hack around conic in one pkg
<freemangordon> oh, right
<freemangordon> sorry, it is late here :)
<Wizzup> np
<freemangordon> Wizzup: ok, what to do for beowulf?
<freemangordon> for tinymail that is
<freemangordon> I guess nothing
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