<Wizzup>
I'll package it a bit later when we have working telepathy calls for normal calls and sip
<Wizzup>
how did I write 'they needs to be' lol
<dreamer>
hehe
<dreamer>
because you didn't want to write "it"
<dreamer>
you're so woke :#
<dreamer>
<j/k>
* dreamer
hasn't had any time for leste testing -_-
<Wizzup>
lol
<Wizzup>
maybe around fosdem :)
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<bencoh>
Wizzup: is that using conversation/telepathy, haze, and purple-slack?
<Wizzup>
correct
<bencoh>
neat
<Wizzup>
yup
<Wizzup>
had to hack around the libpurple plugin a bit
<Wizzup>
but it works now
<bencoh>
oh, what was needed there?
<Wizzup>
slack changed their apis
<Wizzup>
the code to resolve an email to a user id doesn't work anymore, so if you figure out your user id and get a branch with a hackfix in place, it can work
<bencoh>
ah, so the changes could even be upstreamed
<Wizzup>
the branch comes fromupstream but never merged since it's a hack
<bencoh>
I see
<bencoh>
(so upstream purple-slack is broken?)
<Wizzup>
I'm going to patch my bitlbee too, I've used this a lot in the past
<Wizzup>
yes
<Wizzup>
well, youtube.com locked me out of the maemo leste account
<Wizzup>
it requires me to use an android or ios device to verify my account
<Wizzup>
I guess we'll just self host some mp4
<bencoh>
(oh, I just realized that your screenshot mentioned haze/purple :D)
<Wizzup>
bencoh: :p
<bencoh>
btw, how do handle closing conversation windows on leste? regarding 1. conv history 2. not leaving channels/groups/whatever
<Wizzup>
this is not handled yet at all
<Wizzup>
there's much to improve, including history fetching
<bencoh>
I remember it being very clumsy on fremantle (wth irc for instance)
<bencoh>
ah, I see
<Wizzup>
yes, it is clumsy on fremantle, and this is partially due to how tp works I believe
<Wizzup>
I do have code for multi person and group channels btw, it's just not logging or used in the UI at all
* bencoh
nods
<Wizzup>
I am thinking we might need to store the channels we want to (re)join somewhere outside of tp
<norayr>
no way to type colon or semicolon from hardware keyboard.
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<norayr>
i just discovered we have graphical IM account configuration!
<norayr>
that is cool! but (again me with my unicode needs!) why doesn't it accept adding a utf-8 accounts? i have a fully unicode jabber id! (:
<norayr>
will do that from console. (:
<bencoh>
norayr: why would you do that? :>
<norayr>
for fun! i have a գրող at/from ծոց.հայ which means something funny. (:
<norayr>
i can explain what does that mean of course, but it'll take time and space and letters.
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<freemangordon>
norayr: what do you mean "does not support utf-8'?
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: ping
<norayr>
i mean,
<norayr>
i enter 'voip and im accounts'
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: what was the tablet you brought to openfest again?
<norayr>
create an account like գրոց@ծոց.աաա
<norayr>
or i created already that account from console, and i can see it in accounts
<norayr>
but it is not 'signed in'
<norayr>
i click on it
<norayr>
i see my address in utf-8, i click on 'sign in' button
<norayr>
i get notification 'user name unable to contain ծ'
<norayr>
actually ծ is contained in the domain name, but yes, that's my notification.
<norayr>
and i cannot sign it in.
<norayr>
searhing how to sign in from console but don't understad. :/ tried mc-tool reconnect but doesn't help.
<norayr>
enable doesn't help too.
<Wizzup>
this might be some weird telepathy-gabble limitation
<Wizzup>
does this work on fremantle?
<Wizzup>
that is not to say that we can't fix it, of course :)
<norayr>
Wizzup: you think it is not in ui?
<norayr>
because with mc-tool i added the account from console without problems.
<norayr>
and i know people who use fully unicode jabber accounts. i am not alone. i actually saw it only then tried myself.
<norayr>
another problem is that, well, i had my address book synced. and it has many jabber entries
<norayr>
and if i sign in with regular non utf-8, ascii username@domain
<norayr>
and click on the jabber contact - well it doesn't know that this jabber contact is for this (and only even) jabber im account. and nothing happens, i cannot write.
<norayr>
then i create a new address book entry. i add the same jabber account.
<norayr>
i tap it, it asks - what IM account you want to write with? i choose my only non-unicode account.
<norayr>
it works, and works, and works forever.
<norayr>
and i cannot receive messages with that non-unicode account as well. :/
<norayr>
so this is about non-unicode.
* norayr
is not ranting, but trying to report problems to improve user experience.
<Wizzup>
norayr: if you set auto-connect in mc-tool and then run reconnect it might work
<norayr>
Wizzup: do you know why my 'ok' key ond droid4 doesn't work after update to chimaera? i tried the udevadm updatehwdb/trigger stuff.
<norayr>
i did, doesn't help. can try to reboot.
<Wizzup>
norayr: maybe something is broken, are you fully up to date?
<norayr>
i think. well let me try again.
<Wizzup>
what was it again, ok + sym?
<Wizzup>
ok + shift I think
<Wizzup>
that brings up special vkb for me
<norayr>
ok + the key upper the left arrow
<norayr>
it was typing colon before.
<Wizzup>
what does this do?
<Wizzup>
hm, really?
<norayr>
it works as arrow up for some reason now.
<Wizzup>
I mean mostly likely maybe the xkb data is not what you want
<Wizzup>
norayr: oh, you mean the key above the left arrow
<norayr>
yes, it is a yellow colon on a key, and it used to be typed when i pressed it with ok key.
<Wizzup>
what does it give you now?
<norayr>
yes
<Wizzup>
It's . : and > for me
<norayr>
it seems to work as arrow up and returns previous things in terminal.
<norayr>
no with ok
<norayr>
without ok let me see.
<Wizzup>
with ok it is : for me
<Wizzup>
norayr: this is maybe keymap dependent?
<norayr>
with caps lock it is <>, with shift and without it is , and .
<Wizzup>
wait let me re-read what you wrote
<norayr>
it was working before chimaera update. so i wonder if something changed
<Wizzup>
this is on the d4?
<norayr>
d4 yes
<Wizzup>
and what is drawn on the key for you
<Wizzup>
on the physical key
<norayr>
white dot and yellow colon
<norayr>
also there is a key with white comma and yellow semicolon.
<norayr>
i cannot get this semicolon and colon anymore. but if i pressed these keys with 'ok' they were typed.
<norayr>
before the upgrade.
<Wizzup>
what application are you testing in?
<norayr>
maemo terminal now.
<norayr>
let me try something else.
<Wizzup>
ok
* norayr
trying leafpad
<Wizzup>
it works for me in osso-xterm
<Wizzup>
so there's something different about your setup
<Wizzup>
do you switch input languages?
<norayr>
some behaviour.
<norayr>
hmmmm... not for hardware kbd. let me see in settings.
<norayr>
English, Nederlands. Is that ok?
<Wizzup>
I have that too
<norayr>
btw, upgrading via apt-get upgrade. it says it'll upgrade surf. lets hope.
<norayr>
ok i'll see if something will be fixed after upgrade.
<norayr>
it will bring leste-config-droid4, and hildon-meta-droid4, maybe the keymap is there.
<norayr>
meanwhile can someone grep in the sources of ui 'user name unable to contain' line?
<norayr>
i don't know where to grep.
<norayr>
maybe it's in ui, because i get it as a yellow maemo message.
<Wizzup>
can you file a bug in any case?
<norayr>
to which repo?
<Wizzup>
we have only one place to file bugs :D
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<sicelo>
norayr: just out of curiosity, what's the version of xkb-data in chimaera?
<norayr>
sicelo: 2.29.1+m7
* norayr
rebooting droid4
<sicelo>
and beowulf has 2.26. upstream xkb could have changed something that broke our custom setup ...
<sicelo>
e.g. they did change something which broke entering numbers on N900 keyboard (but this affects version 2.37)
<sicelo>
on the other hand, i haven't yet understood what the issue is in your case (been busy with something else)
<Wizzup>
sicelo: so it works on my chimaera
<Wizzup>
not saying there is not a problem, but it seems on par with beowulf -for me- at least
<norayr>
apt-get upgrade fixed it
<norayr>
yay
<Wizzup>
great
<Wizzup>
always nice when upgrades -fix- things rather than breaking them
<norayr>
(:
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<freemangordon>
Wizzup: allwinner a33 q8 or something
<freemangordon>
norayr: for sure there is account field validation
<bencoh>
Wizzup: great update, interesting and fun to read <3
<norayr>
i can see the video
<bencoh>
norayr: the bt one?
<Wizzup>
bencoh: thanks, it was long overdue, but yeah :)
<norayr>
pinephone and maemo, looks cool.
<Wizzup>
the bt webm was missing
<norayr>
should update pp to chimaera.
<Wizzup>
I just pushed the file it might take a few mins
<norayr>
ah yes, the bt video i don't see.
<bencoh>
I wonder, is there any better option than leste on pinephone nowadays? with "everything" working properly out-of-the-box
<bencoh>
or is leste actually the most advanced ther?
<norayr>
on pinephone i think the most polished is phosh. but i don't like it.
<xmn>
well also sailfish
<bencoh>
ah, purism's shell
<bencoh>
oh, sailfish was ported to pinephone?
<norayr>
yes, sailfish is ported.
<xmn>
I just got 2 new n900 so happy.
<sicelo>
:p
<norayr>
jolla says half of the sailfish installations is on pinephone.
<bencoh>
wow
<sicelo>
xmn: why?
<Wizzup>
bencoh: I've heard a lot of people say that most of the other ones run very sluggish
<xmn>
Almost daily drivable according to some folks
<Wizzup>
at least kde/gnome stuff
<norayr>
i also tried gnome, to be precise 'gnome-mobile' - gnome with latest mobile fixes in pmos. it is much better than phosh, but of course much heavier.
<Wizzup>
but mobian did some decent things it seems wrt power management
<norayr>
phosh is daily drivable i believe.
<bencoh>
I guess sailfish on pinephone includes jolla's proprietary blobs as well?
<Wizzup>
mhm
<norayr>
gnome-mobile has this feature to rearrange icons, like in sailfish.
<sicelo>
xmn: i was asking why you got n900?
<norayr>
and it doesn't work well in landscape mode on pp. but in portrait mode it is ok, if you write with qwerty onscreen only.
<xmn>
n900 was my main driver until the keyboard broke. Now living with the Pinephone manjaro phosh and mobian
<xmn>
eventually maemo too
<norayr>
their onscreen keyboard is unable to show anything other than qwerty.
<sicelo>
doesn't it feel too slow for you now?
<norayr>
n900/maemo was my main. then sailfish was my main till this year.
<norayr>
now maemo.
<bencoh>
maemo? on pinephone?
<xmn>
sicelo It's what I know and have. I personally never like the motorola design. The n900 does pretty much everything except web and group text mms (well). other then that I was happy
<xmn>
Oh and the cell provider made it 2G only now :). But with out the web it's fine.
<xmn>
sicelo, it only feel slow sometime .. when I'm doing too much.
<bencoh>
oh, your provider removed 3G and kept 2G? that's surprising
<bencoh>
most kill 2G first
<xmn>
they want to push ppl off 3g so they can enhance 4-6g is my understanding or use it for something else.
<sicelo>
xmn: i understand. i want to work on the voice calls a little bit more again (n900), now that modem is working fine once more
<xmn>
awesome. Since I have 2 working n900 and the PP. I can now do testing of maemo-leste!!
<bencoh>
\o/
<sicelo>
maybe you can help fix some of the issues ;-)
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<xmn>
Yeah, I just need to get it on and figure out best ways to load it on to a device and all that.
<xmn>
But happy to help
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<freemangordon>
bencoh: no way to kill 2G
<freemangordon>
everything unattended (and most of attended) runs on 2G
<freemangordon>
ATMs/ vending machines, POS terminals, you name it
<bencoh>
well, they're still killing it here and there
<freemangordon>
weird
<freemangordon>
I think 2G is here to stay
<freemangordon>
what about emergency services?
<freemangordon>
etc. etc.
<freemangordon>
maybe they kill it for *your* SIM ;)
<bencoh>
and here they were supposed to kill it too soon(tm), but put it on hold for some political reason
<bencoh>
haha, no, mine works well for now <3
<freemangordon>
I bet 'political' being that every device that is not a mobile phone has 2G modem :)
<bencoh>
regarding emergency service, IoT, and everything in-between, they supposedly migrated or planned migration for most stuff (here at least)
<uvos__>
well i 2g has been killed in some places
<uvos__>
like japan
<bencoh>
nah, that part is supposedly out of the discussion
<freemangordon>
'here' being? Germany?
<bencoh>
uvos__: yeah, but japan has always been different regarding cellular
<uvos__>
in germany they had it slated for 2028 iirc
<uvos__>
but its undefined for now
<uvos__>
3g is totaly gone in germany
<freemangordon>
yeah, 3G is another story
<bencoh>
I recently learned about LTE CAT-M btw, I haven't really measured power consumption, but it is supposedly better than 2G, with similar or better bitrates
<uvos__>
yes new stuff is 4g
<bencoh>
3G should've died a long time ago imho
<uvos__>
infrastructure suff
<uvos__>
that is
<uvos__>
but infrastructure stuff has a long life
<uvos__>
its sill keeping 2g alive
<uvos__>
but they are also dwindeling
<bencoh>
I mean ... I'm happy to still have 3G on n900, but 3G is the _worst_ techno of the family
<uvos__>
as stuff gets replaced
<freemangordon>
on N900 it is 3.5G :)
<uvos__>
please
<bencoh>
yeah, well, HSPA+, but still
<uvos__>
thats like calling hasdpa+ 4 g
<freemangordon>
that's why the smiley
<bencoh>
UMTS and everything based on it is awful powerwise (thx wcdma)
<uvos__>
sure
<uvos__>
but practical bitrates have not really changed here
<freemangordon>
yet symbian devices managed to carry through the week with one charge
<uvos__>
since hsdpa
<xmn>
I would guess they say there are killing 2g, but are really keeping it for vertical markets.
<bencoh>
freemangordon: on 3G?
<freemangordon>
on 2G
<bencoh>
oh, 2G is bliss powerwise
<freemangordon>
UMTS is not 3g, no?
<bencoh>
UMTS is 3G
<uvos__>
yes
<bencoh>
GSM is 2G
<uvos__>
umts is 3g
<freemangordon>
ok
<bencoh>
I keep my n900 on 2G most of the time, the moment I switch to 3G battery starts dropping
<uvos__>
some android phone implementations swtich
<uvos__>
depending on load
<bencoh>
(here at least, I saw it behaving differently in othr countries)
<bencoh>
which reminds me ... what's the state of the droid4's lte modem?
<norayr>
ok i was on chimaera already on pp, updating. hope it'll solve my kbd issues and charging issues.
<norayr>
i was not able to charge maemo on pp while it was up, it was taking more power than getting.
<uvos__>
bencoh: still useless
<uvos__>
you can start it and poke it by tellneting into it
<uvos__>
and have it scann for networks too
<uvos__>
but thats it since no where is a provider in a band it will find
<norayr>
am i right that macchanger freaks out internet connection daemon?
<bencoh>
uvos__: wait, what? why?
<uvos__>
bencoh: it can do only one band
<bencoh>
oh
<norayr>
i cannot connect if i change the mac.
<uvos__>
and that one band was only ever usd by verizon
<bencoh>
and I guess that band is LTE only in the US ... yeah
<uvos__>
and verizon dosen activate phones without volte
<uvos__>
so its totaly stuck
<bencoh>
thanks motorola/verizon I guess ...
<bencoh>
well, then droid4 has no real future :(
<bencoh>
(I mean, it's a 2012 phone anyway, but still)
<uvos__>
yeah
<bencoh>
sad
<norayr>
yes i believe our main dev devices should be pp and ppp. maybe purism. maybe one plus - it is well supported under pmos i see.
<uvos__>
i gues maybe it possible that the lte modem could do other bands
<uvos__>
it seams wierd to design a frontend that can do only one band in 2012
<bencoh>
uvos__: with firmware update or some hidden AT command you mean?
<uvos__>
and the d4 was supposed to come to germany
<uvos__>
but motorola folded before it happend
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<uvos__>
bencoh: sure i mean hw wise, the firmware dosent try any other bands for sure
<uvos__>
the modem dosent use at commands at all btw
<uvos__>
its a linux running device that presents as a usb network device that the android bits communicate over ip with