<phoebos>
when you try out a different layout, do you switch your keycaps or get a new keyboard or just use what you've already got and try to remember where everything goes
<bibliocar>
Heh, when I first started on dvorak, I switched around all the keycaps manually, except it was originally contoured, so all the keys had wrong angles.
<bibliocar>
probably should have gotten a new keyboard
<acheam>
I didnt switch caps for the profin rnason bibliocar mentioned. I usually use blank caps anyways. I do have a picture of the layout pinned on my deshtop though
<acheam>
man that toook forever to write
<bibliocar>
a picture is a good idea
<op_4>
acheam you should try mod-dh!
<op_4>
the positions of d and h are really not great in the default layout
<acheam>
already using it!
<op_4>
nice :[
<op_4>
* :D
<acheam>
:)
<op_4>
has anyone here wrangled the kiss-tex repository?
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<noocsharp>
phoebos: turns out to get isync to with with libtls, you just need to use mpop instead
<phoebos>
lol
<phoebos>
is that from the same guy as msmtp
<acheam>
does anyone still adtually use pop?
<noocsharp>
me
<noocsharp>
it works fine if you don't really touch remote email
<noocsharp>
just pull it to work with it locally
<acheam>
why not imap that you just sync and work offline with?
<noocsharp>
there's no advantage to doing that the way i use email, and pop is a much simpler protocol
<noocsharp>
to be clear, i've used imap for a long time
<acheam>
nice
<acheam>
do you deiete from server? and how do you handle multiple devices?
<noocsharp>
on some accounts i delete from server, and i only check email from my laptop
<testuser[m]>
Hi
<acheam>
hl
<op_4>
noocsharp what's your preffered programme for doing this? I'm currently reimagining my email setup
<noocsharp>
for pulling email i now use mpop
<op_4>
cool, thanks
<op_4>
hmm, my search engine of choice doesn't generate anything useful. You wouldn't happen to have a link handy?
<Acid-Bong>
btw, since I'm still in chroot and running as root, can i then just copy or move cloned repos in $HOME/kiss after install? (and set it accordingly in my user's $KISS_PATH, ofc)
<testuser[m]>
yea
<testuser[m]>
and chown them
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<Acid-Bong>
does it matter how old a Kiss tarball is (apart from how many packages became obsolete and have to be downloaded and installed)?
<testuser[m]>
No
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<Acid-Bong>
if `kiss i` is run as user (from $HOME based repos, ofc), where is the package gonna be installed?
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<noocsharp>
globally
<Acid-Bong>
so i still need sudo/doas for this, right?
<testuser[m]>
Yea
<op_4>
so how do i fix kiss (the package manager) so that it works with my umask? My user has umask 077, but this means that whenever i build/install something the permissions are just that, root rw(x) and nothing else.
<op_4>
I feel i should be able to judiciously drop umask 022 somewhere in /usr/bin/kiss but i'm not sure where
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<Acid-Bong>
for wifi to work do i need only wpa_supplicant or is dhcpcd also required? and if i'm using eiwd+openresolv, are those enough and is dhcpcd required with them?
<dilyn>
openresolv takes the place of dhcpcd with eiwd
<dilyn>
you need some way to get an IP address from the access point, so you will always need dhcpcd (or openresolv)
<Acid-Bong>
ah, so openresolv is also a manager
<Acid-Bong>
does it not have a service tho?
<dilyn>
it does
<dilyn>
it's installed to /etc/sv/dhcpcd
<dilyn>
to enable a service to `ln -s /etc/sv/dhcpcd /var/service`, and then you can start/stop/etc it with `sv up dhcpcd`
<dilyn>
assuming you're using busybox
<Acid-Bong>
i mean, openresolv
<dilyn>
oh, no i don't think so; i'm pretty sure eiwd just calls it directly
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<Acid-Bong>
When i'm booting Arch ISO not in VM and i need to connect to wifi, iwd doesn't work. Instead i'm running `# wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "SSID" "PASSWORD")`.
<Acid-Bong>
Does the latter work the same way on Kiss? (considering dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant services are enabled and running)
<dilyn>
the wpa_supplicant service just reads from a configuration file; if you want to just use your command (which works just fine), you'd want to disable the wpa_supplicant service
<Acid-Bong>
iirc on Arch ISO wpa_supplicant service is running
<Acid-Bong>
maybe it's systemd who works different
<dilyn>
I assume the systemd unit file doesn't perpetually try to bring up wpa_supplicant, but the service would just constantly exit and get reexeced here
<Acid-Bong>
> disable the wpa_supplicant service
<Acid-Bong>
> and then enable/start it after i'm connected, right?
<dilyn>
no, because the -B just forks wpa_supplicant to the background so it will stay running
<Acid-Bong>
s/>//
<dilyn>
the only issue with not having it be run as a service is that if wpa_supplicant crashes it won't restart, you'll have to rerun the command
<dilyn>
you could add your own service that runs your command if you'd like, instead of using the service bundled with the wpa_supplicant package
<Acid-Bong>
doesn't the command save the credentials? or is it only for a running instance?
<Acid-Bong>
or can i just run wpa_cli and call it a day?
<dilyn>
I don't think those credentials get saved anywhere except in your shell history file
<dilyn>
wpa_cli is just a cli interface to do what you're doing in that one-shot command
<dilyn>
if you want to save the credentials you can use wpa_passphrase to output the info into a file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then just make use of the service
<Acid-Bong>
should it be `# wpa_passphrase SSID PASSWORD >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf`?