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<phoebos> midfavila-laptop: i think of Mid Favila
<midfavila-laptop> I would really rather the handheld on the right in this photo, to be honest
<midfavila-laptop> Looking to replace my CF-C2 since it's starting to degrade
<phoebos> is that as small as it looks
<midfavila-laptop> yes
<midfavila-laptop> it's about 4" at its widest
<phoebos> what do you do with that
<midfavila-laptop> what I do with my laptop rn
<midfavila-laptop> which is shitpost on the go, ssh into SDF or other machines, and listen to music
<midfavila-laptop> sometimes light programming
<phoebos> why do you want something so small
<midfavila-laptop> because I want to replace my laptop and phone with a UMPC
<midfavila-laptop> even something like this would work tbqh although it's not ideal
<phoebos> huh, ok
<phoebos> do you never telephone people
<midfavila-laptop> no
<midfavila-laptop> i'm going to cancel my line once I'm through with college
<midfavila-laptop> all I used my SIM for is a datalink
<midfavila-laptop> one of these would be really nifty too, but it runs WinCE so
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: uhhh a sledgehammer
<acheam> gotta test those durability ratings
<maximum_yellow> kiss has no notion of equivalent providers, right? If A and B both provide dependencies for C, we can't express this right?
<midfavila-laptop> correct
<midfavila-laptop> there's no "provides" statement
<maximum_yellow> well, in a sense it's implicit in each line of depends
<midfavila-laptop> i and others have brought it up in the past and it's kinda been shut down with "well alternatives already exist"
<maximum_yellow> this is a little irritating
* maximum_yellow is very concerned with not artificially inflating the package count
<noocsharp> how does it artificially inflate package count?
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<testuser[m]> Hi
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<noocsharp> hi
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<omanom> i mean, wasn't the idea behind the "kiss community package repo" that things people found to be common could/should be packaged there?
<omanom> if you don't like/want the provider that the package in kiss community uses, you just fork the package yourself and establish priority using KISS_PATH?
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<dilyn> maximum_yellow's concern is probably related to discussions re: libuuid && util-linux
<dilyn> there's no *good reason* to have util-linux if you just want jfs, for instance
<dilyn> nothing in the main repo requires util-linux either; it's all community stuff. We only had it for eudev iirc...
<testuser[m]> but vro btrfs-progs
<dilyn> sure, we'd adopt it
<dilyn> does btrfs-progs require more than just lib{uuid,blkid}??
<testuser[m]> no
<dilyn> :v
<testuser[m]> it already is in community
<omanom> oh ok, i misunderstood then. thanks for the clarification!
<dilyn> I mean we only had it in the main repo for eudev when that was a thing, the community packages just leveraged its existence for libuuid
<dilyn> I'm uncertain if there's good reason to have util-linux in the main repo tbh. You'll already have your disks partitioned when installing KISS, so you don't need its fdisk until later...
<dilyn> we should do something cute like what every other distro does lol https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/util-linux/APKBUILD
<omanom> midfavila-laptop https://i.imgur.com/rx17lpr.jpeg make your own handheld with an rpi or something
<midfavila-laptop> wouldn't be able to fit what I want into such a device
<omanom> what is too big? or is it more a power issue
<midfavila-laptop> the latter, but moreso a lack of connectors
<midfavila-laptop> you can't have both a not-shit screen and a cellular modem, for example, unless you want to fuck around with USB, which I don't
<omanom> or get real fancy with your soldering and the GPIO pins!
<midfavila-laptop> I could do that, but then I'd end up with a bunch of wasted time, money and energy to get an inferior version of something that already exists
<omanom> and, knowing your history of accidents with pointy objects, probably a bunch of soldering iron burns
<midfavila-laptop> that was once >:c
<midfavila-laptop> i swear, you cut your hand open with a 20th century bayonet *once* and then everyone thinks of you as the guy who can't be trusted with sharp objects
<midfavila-laptop> smh
<midfavila-laptop> my
<midfavila-laptop> damn
<midfavila-laptop> head
<testuser[m]> midfavila-laptop: hi
<midfavila-laptop> hi
<midfavila-laptop> ugh, all the cool UMPCs or tablet PCs that I've seen don't really have an aftermarket presence... maybe I'll just say fuck it and get a general dynamics laptop or something
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<maximum_yellow> dilyn: i haven't investigated this, but at least on the surface grub/cryptsetup/lvm2 depend on util-linux
<maximum_yellow> but i'm going to test now with libuuid
<Rohan> guys anyone know a cheap way to setup home server?
<Rohan> since raps is sold out
<Rohan> Rasps*
<maximum_yellow> indeed lvm2 does not appear to depend on util-linux, but rather libuuid
<maximum_yellow> and i think pmount depends on libuuid and libblkid
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<maximum_yellow> dilyn pmount depends only on libuuid make + libblkid
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