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<testuser[m]> Hi
<sad_plan> Hi
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<testuser[m]> Every Gopher knows that Bjarne Stringsoup complicates the C++ spec every three years in order to sell more books to unsuspecting programmers.
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<acheam> > stringsoup
<testuser[m]> In C programming language from which C++ inherits its 0.1% of problems, C++ means increment the value of C. But the expression C++ itself evaluates to the value of C. Which means C++ offers zero benefit over C, according to Rob "lol no generics" Pike who also has experience in creating languages that offer no practical advantage over C.
<acheam> lmao
<acheam> where are you getting these from?
<acheam> tbf, golang is more pactical than C imo but I dont want to spark a language war
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<testuser[m]> Golang is good but i don't like poogle having direct control over it
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<Rohan> hi
<Rohan> anyone have tested swc?
<sad_plan> yeah, I have. noocsharp also has, for some amount of time
<Rohan> it have support for amd?
<sad_plan> yep. Ive got amd, and works for me
<Rohan> use velox right?
<sad_plan> I dont currently use it, but I used velox, yes
<Rohan> have some trouble with programs for wayland?
<Rohan> since it not use wlroots
<sad_plan> I havent really used much wayland specific packages, mostly just cli stuff. I know there some issues with getting firefox to run i.e.
<sad_plan> it just launches a blank screen
<Rohan> okay
<sad_plan> it doesnt use mesa, so Im sure there are some 'difficulties' with stuff that requires mesa
<Rohan> thats a problem
<Rohan> maybe i will try just for see how it works
<Rohan> not seems to much usable
<sad_plan> running a mesa-less system can indeed be cumbersome.. most stuff require mesa..
<sad_plan> Ive wanted to do some more testing, but I just havent gotten around doing it :p
<testuser[m]> Vro how u gonna talk to gpu
<testuser[m]> Without nesa
<sad_plan> framebuffer
<testuser[m]> Bruh
<sad_plan> theres no issues with running i.e. mpv without having mesa installed
<Rohan> i liked oasis linux
<sad_plan> oasis is really cool imo
<Rohan> bit using netsurf not seems the better option
<sad_plan> netsurf isnt the best, but theres no lock in to netsurf. so youre free to choose something else :p
<Rohan> but like u said
<Rohan> firefox isnt run
<Rohan> and i dont see too much packaging for swc
<sad_plan> mcf does run firefox on his system, with velox. how he does it, I have no clue, but it goes to shhow that its possible
<sad_plan> you can still run xwayland on it, and still use x11 packages instead
<Rohan> yeah sure
<Rohan> but some of those packages need mesa
<sad_plan> yes, and so does firefox, and as I said, mcf runs firefox on his system
<sad_plan> velox doesnt require/use mesa, but that doesnt mean you cant use mesa
<Rohan> how mcf does run firefox?
<Rohan> he even mentioned it?
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<sad_plan> youd have to ask mcf himself, as I have no clue. noocsharp have just mentioned it, but neither of us knows. but feel free to drop mcf a question on an email, or oasis' irc channel
<Rohan> u still using kiss today?
<sad_plan> yeah
<Rohan> plan to use oasis?
<sad_plan> more or less. I really like the project, but I just havent gotten around to installing it
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<Rohan> just for question
<Rohan> you ever have a instalation of kiss in a VM?
<Rohan> i trying to get waydroid for kiss and a guy is trying to make a kiss VM to test with me why it not launchs
<sad_plan> yeah, i installed kiss in a wm before I installed to disk
<Rohan> but i never installed kiss in VM and the guy dont make it work
<Rohan> if you have some tips
<Rohan> pls tell me lol
<sad_plan> never used waydroid before, but I know you should easily be able to chroot into a in termux
<sad_plan> iirc testuser[m] did it, or atleast talked about it at a time
<Rohan> just tips to make a kiss vm
<Rohan> i already packaged it
<Rohan> just dont launch
<Rohan> i solved "all" the problems
<sad_plan> ah. just follow the installation guide really. the only difference is the kernel config, which is way easier to do in a wm. theres a video on how to do so. ill link it
<Rohan> thanks bruh
<sad_plan> no problem
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<Guest69> Hi
<sad_plan> hi
<illiliti> mcf uses netsurf iirc
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<Guest69> I wonder where Dylan is
<Guest69> The `pigz` and `xkeyboard-config` packages need to be updated
<sad_plan> illiliti: I seem to recall noocsharp mentioning he used firefox though. but it doesnt matter
<sad_plan> guest69: alot of packages are getting outdated. not just pigz and xkeyboard-config
<noocsharp> mcf uses firefox installed using pkgsrc
<noocsharp> it seems to be the most frequently asked question in #oasis
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<noocsharp> testuser[m]: https://github.com/michaelforney/wld is how you talk to the gpu without mesa
<noocsharp> although it has poor hardware support
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<sad_plan> thanks noocsharp
<sad_plan> ffs, can someone explain to my more indepth as to why shellcheck is complaining here, but not in our regular buildscripts?
<sad_plan> its basically the same thing as us using sed 's/foo/bar/' baz > _ && mv -f _ baz
<sad_plan> but shellcheck isnt complaining about it in our buildscripts
<cem> sad_plan: because you are changing the file while reading it
<sad_plan> but replacing "$t" with _ doesnt help, as Id thought it would
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<sad_plan> or any other random filename for that matter really..
<sad_plan> it doesnt have to be _ i mean
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<sad_plan> should I perhaps make a new tempfile instead? would that solve the issue? :p
<cem> no it wouldn't
<cem> the problem isn't the $t
<sad_plan> expected as such
<cem> you're reading FSDIR/all in a while loop
<cem> and replacing the file in the same while loop
<sad_plan> so its the loop itself?
<cem> Yes
* sad_plan sighs
<cem> You could instead copy the FSDIR/all file before the loop and use that one for the loop
<sad_plan> yeah, Ill look into how I can properly implement that.
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<nerditup> does anyone here use neovim? I don't see it in the community packages repositories... I might be blind
<soliwilos> nerditup: It's in community repo as far as I can see.
<soliwilos> I haven't tried it though, as I'm not using it.
<sad_plan> nerditup: it was removed, but was readded a day or two later or something
<nerditup> ahh found it! I wasn't looking in the kiss-community fork, my bad https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/neovim
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<illiliti> neovim became too bloated
<illiliti> their build system is just awful
<nerditup> illiliti: in what way? I'm curious since I've been thinking about switching from Vim to Neovim
<sad_plan> unless you specifically require something neovim offers that vim does not, I dont see any reason for making the switch
<sad_plan> i.e. if youre a lua dev
<sad_plan> then neovim might be a better option
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<illiliti> neovim implemented XDG spec and i like that
<illiliti> everything else is just unnecessary bells and whistles
<nerditup> that's surprising because my understanding is that it's "
<nerditup> "more minimal"
<nerditup> but I don't really know
<nerditup> good marketing for that I guess
<illiliti> btw, i switch to kak recently and it's pretty comfy
<illiliti> s/switch/switched
<illiliti> i don't like that plugins use sh under the hood though...
<cem> neovim handles pressing ESC and shift+O better :^)
<cem> when you do that on vim it types O on the screen for a second, and then it understands and creates a new line above
<cem> that's why I prefer neovim
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