<claudia>
I cant imagine problems with other packages coming up(rabbit hole)
<acheam>
nice I was planning on doing that at some point
<acheam>
but I do really like having binary packages
<claudia>
maybe a chroot can help you :p
<acheam>
how?
<claudia>
maybe the binary packages inside the chroot then.
<acheam>
phoebos[m]: catgirl 1.9 is out
<acheam>
it neeeds #include <sys/file.h> to be added to ui.c to build though
<claudia>
This is so much work for trimming down "1 2" dependencies and on the other hand loosing compatability to the main system and being complete on your own.
<acheam>
yes.
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<GalaxyNova>
someone should make a fork of kiss that uses only binary packages
<acheam>
dont need a fork of kiss for that
<acheam>
or did you mean a fork of the kiss repo
<acheam>
pretty much just need someone willing to build the packages
<acheam>
but IMO binary packages are no good
<acheam>
they prevent all the flexibility that kiss gives
<acheam>
like switching library providers at the drop of a hat
<noocsharp>
i mean you can do that as long as you have the build servers
<noocsharp>
i think binary for packages that you don't need to customize, source for all else
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<acheam>
the problem is the binary packages that I don't customize are the small ones that dont benefit much from havnig a binary package
<acheam>
lol
<acheam>
noocsharp: did you see my question about julia yesterday?
<noocsharp>
yeah, and i responded, although i think i forgot to put your name
<noocsharp>
i have no experience with julia, but it seems cool is basically what i said
<acheam>
oh let me check my logs
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<dilyn>
honestly there isn't a major advantage to using binary packages for a great majority of the ones in the main repo
<dilyn>
and bins of the most intensive ones are already provided
<dilyn>
if someone really wanted, they could also perhaps make use of KISS-static's gcc and binutils even
<duplex>
does anyone know of a sway compatible notification program that doesn't have any dependencies like dbus and works with firefox
<acheam>
firefox only supports interprocess communication via dbus
<acheam>
just use the built in Firefox notifications
<acheam>
interprocess communication with regards to notifications that is
<dilyn>
there's nothing inherently wrong with allowing programs to interact in this way; in a manner it's how wayland works
<dilyn>
the primary issue is presumably 'security concerns' and afaik this is just inherited from fears surroudning systemd et al
<dilyn>
i suppose investigating libnih-dbus would be worthwhile for KISS-related pursuits
<dilyn>
if libdbus is required only for like, loose verification of dbus support and not an actual requirement for function, dylan's libdbus stud might suffice
<dilyn>
(it does not suffice for things as complicated as KDE, for instance)
<acheam>
often times you can just chmod -x /usr/bin/dbus*
<rio6>
I thought soldering irons are literally irons connected to electricity
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<illiliti>
dbus is slow and insecure wrapper over unix socket
<illiliti>
google: dbus/polkit lpe
<testuser[m]>
Why is dbus and other bloat used in every mainstream distro tho
<testuser[m]>
Like
<testuser[m]>
Won't they understand how bad the stuff is
<necromansy>
tradeoff for convenience of system togetherness
<illiliti>
because corpos doesn't care about bloat
<illiliti>
they pays money to make program that just does the work
<illiliti>
they don't care how it's implemented
<illiliti>
just look at chromium/firefox/systemd source code
<illiliti>
it's totally unmaintainable mess
<rio6>
I feel this kind of thing would happen more often the more money there is
<illiliti>
indeed
<rio6>
since people paying can ask for more features to be crammed in a short time in even if they don't well with existing code
<rio6>
s/don't well/don't fit well/
<cotangent>
<rio6> since people paying can ask for more features to be crammed in a short time in even if they don't fit well with existing code
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<dilyn>
i mean everything you would want to do with dbus you can likewise accomplish by other means
<dilyn>
the problem is nobody is providing any such layer that makes it as easy as dbus does
<dilyn>
of course that ease of use brings about security problems
<dilyn>
the large problem is that nobody has bothered to implement anything better in a way that maintains compatibility with even a fraction of the things dbus provides
<dilyn>
by the 80-20 rule, we could probably usurp dbus by just providing 20% of the features of it
<riteo>
oh sorry it means "What a Terrible Failure" obviously
<riteo>
lmao
<testuser[m]>
bruh
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<schillingklaus>
redhat worked on some useless crapo additions to the kernel, but the true kernel is older than redhat
<riteo>
oh yeah for sure, it was just a silly example
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<micro_O>
o/
<micro_O>
kiss-find website now supports sorting by column if you click on a column header (js-only)
<testuser[m]>
Nice
<riteo>
epic
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<micro_O>
and now there is a static count of # of maintainers and urls (currently 114 maintainers of 92 repositories)
<riteo>
cool
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<duplex>
how do you get kiss (package manager) to extract a file into a specific folder
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<soliwilos>
duplex: If it's a file from the source tarball you want to extract somewhere, you can just use cp in the build file; "cp file $1/usr/bin/file".
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<duplex>
no I want the whole tar bar extracted somewehre
<noocsharp>
just use tar?
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<phoebos>
ugh shellcheck
<micro_O>
looks like someone made a PR to kisscommunity website, neat
<micro_O>
organized the sections better
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<GalaxyNova>
Any alternatives for youtube?
<msk[m]>
the client? I have a script for scraping results and picking with fzf, then streaming with mpv
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<riteo>
gtg, cya!
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