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<msk[m]>
GalaxyNova did you have to still use BusyBox find? I remember that sbase's find broke the package manager when I tried that
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<dilyn>
imagine not knowing something so fundamentally important
<dilyn>
FOSSIL is like github but on your own computer smh come on
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<vladimyr>
Fossil often slips under the radar which is totally unfortunate and undeserved. It even gives you a wiki.
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<vladimyr>
You may also like gitbug which is a distributed and offline first issue tracker made to escape GitHub's vendor lock-in https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug
<dilyn>
i believe micro_O is making use of git-bug rn with the websites repo
<vladimyr>
Oh really, nice! Need to check that out...
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<acheam>
Git bug requires go though
<vladimyr>
If you prefer c solution fossil is the clear winner there
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<vladimyr>
Here is the real-life example showcasing version control, releases, issue tracking, and wiki all done using fossil http://appfs.rkeene.org/web/home (also appfs is an interesting project on its own merit)
<acheam>
Mosr of us have seen fossil :)
<vladimyr>
Did anyone actually measure the contrast between background and text (in dark mode) on the community website? I really like those colors and have pretty good vision but still, the contrast seems a bit too low.
<acheam>
I feel like its a bit unfair not to at least mention that we exist
<acheam>
With a large disclaimer that its Unnofficial
<dilyn>
dylan can do whatever he wants :v
<acheam>
Not on my watch!
<dilyn>
lol
<dilyn>
good call on the subtitle
<dilyn>
what should it be hmhmhm
<dilyn>
"An indepedent and unofficial community organization for KISS Linux"?
<acheam>
Sure
<dilyn>
lol
<dilyn>
shrug harder, acheam!
<acheam>
🤷
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<vladimyr>
So community repo is now considered a fork? 🤔
<dilyn>
it's not a fork because we don't maintain any versions of anything that exist in the kisslinux org
<dilyn>
we're more akin to the AUR than a fork
<dilyn>
though wyvertux and gkiss etcetc would probably fall under the umbrella of KISS-Community if they would like to be, in which case we are not MERELY a fork but a collection of projects, some of which are proper forks
<vladimyr>
I mean considered as fork by Dylan
<acheam>
Still no
<vladimyr>
Hmm, I guess I'm missing something then because KISS wiki says many forks of KISS Linux: https://kisslinux.org/wiki/forks
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<vladimyr>
Maybe community gets linked from /repositories wiki page
<dilyn>
yeah but none of those mention kiss-community :v
<vladimyr>
Not yet, I guess
<vladimyr>
Now when I think about it even AUR has Arch in its name...
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<m3g>
There's a way with gtk3 for wayland emacs, and then you can't just have harf/freet/cairo without pgtk. ree
<testuser[m]>
just symlink input.conf, mpv.conf, scripts and script-opts from this repo to ~/.config/mpv/
<riteo>
that's... interesting
<riteo>
I'll look into it
<dilyn>
screensharing is possible on wayland, it just requires dbus
<riteo>
"just"
<dilyn>
and some part of the spec I've forgotten the name of
<dilyn>
i mean dbus is small :P
<GalaxyNova>
also screen recording needs pipewire or something
<testuser[m]>
poopwirte
<testuser[m]>
poopwire
<dilyn>
but pipewire only requires dbus and alsa!
<dilyn>
so
<GalaxyNova>
mfw
<riteo>
bruh
<dilyn>
ipc is useful folx
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<GalaxyNova>
just use unix sockets smh
<riteo>
wait wasn't the whole point of pipes and whatnot to provide IPC
<testuser[m]>
its a "modern" version of em
<riteo>
why does modern mean more complex nowadays
<testuser[m]>
thats the definition of modern
<riteo>
bruh
<GalaxyNova>
there are exceptions
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<GalaxyNova>
wayland is a good modern thing
<riteo>
I would like to say that modern means "catered to actual requirements, removing unneeded historical baggage, but most of the time actual requirements become the most shitty thing ever
<riteo>
"b-b-but it must be scalable!!!!!"
<riteo>
GalaxyNova: yeah, wayland isn't that bad at all, I actually kinda like its protocol-based approach at stuff
<noocsharp>
is there a screensharing wayland protocol?
<testuser[m]>
Enterprise grade
<riteo>
also at first I thought it was a bad idea to merge compositors and window managers into one thing but thinking about it compositors did stuff that WMs should already have done in the first place
<riteo>
also, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't compositors more like a thing added later? Kinda like an hack?
<riteo>
why where they separate in the first place?
<riteo>
uh it looks like it was an extension added later, so I was kinda right on that one
<dilyn>
it's supported by sway and wayfire off the top of my head
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<riteo>
well, small things aside, talking about wayland does anybody know if "libinput debug-events" is supposed to work while its window is not focused?
<riteo>
I thought wayland was supposed to isolate input between processes
<dilyn>
does anybody get an error like this building the kernel (5.13.3 in my case) with LTO_CLANG enabled (either full or thin)
<riteo>
their own username is a piece of art by itself
<riteo>
> Windows is a "Haha OS", a joker's "operating system" (lol).
<riteo>
this is premium copypasta material
<travankor>
is the schilling's reddit account?
<riteo>
I have no idea, it's called Linux-SystemSuperior lmao
<testuser[m]>
no its some random acc
<riteo>
idk, does schilling say "CYA!!!! DUMBASS!!!" and then come back at least 10 times saying they won't come back anymore?
<testuser[m]>
no
<travankor>
>Yuck. I have 64GB of RAM and even THAT isn't enough for some Minecraft mod configs.
<travankor>
lmao
<riteo>
this account has to be preserved
<riteo>
> Lol - Application (not "App") Store. Haha, Yuck. would NEVER use that. On ANY device. Can't STAND them!
<riteo>
dude hasn't a phone
<riteo>
wait, steam is a store
<riteo>
this is a troll 100%
<riteo>
> I've been using Linux since 1998. Was (am still!) absolutely OBSESSED with Linux, even tho I hadn't used it at the time I heard about it. These days I only use Linux and I'm primarily a gamer, NO Windows AT ALL, not even in VM. Yes, i use Linux for gaming, as a gamer.
<riteo>
do they always talk about compositing
<riteo>
travankor: > On my rig, Minecraft uses at least 30GB of RAM and performance TANKS on Windows
<riteo>
omg I'm only finding good stuff, last quote and I'll stop, I promise:
<riteo>
> Also - Linux is FAR more FUN! Playing games (any game) on Windows is impossible for me as it's like watching paint dry. Yes, i would MUCH rather play a WINE game than do it on Windows (lol - Windows for gaming, haha).
<testuser[m]>
bruh
<riteo>
so we got this person in their thirties which are married for 19 years, plays 24/7 like a TRUE GAMER, hates wayland WITH PASSION, calls windows the JOKER OPERATING SYSTEM, plays at minecraft with every mod ever created, uses windows since 1998, doesn't use app stores and keeps their computer always on with some game open ready to scream about their superiority on reddit
<testuser[m]>
I doubt they're even halfway to their thirtie
<testuser[m]>
s
<riteo>
idk, that's an interesting use of internet jargon
<riteo>
their jargon is primarily made of LOL, all caps, silly namecalling and "haha"s
<riteo>
I can see a 35 old man who hates his wife do that
<riteo>
or, as usual, this could be an extremely elaborate troll
<riteo>
both ways this is fun as hell
<travankor>
i don't think that person is married :p
<riteo>
lmao they always put (lol) after Windows, like if it were (tm)
<riteo>
Windows (lol)
<travankor>
winl0lz
<riteo>
oh my god they said that they have 62 TBs of storage
<riteo>
that's the truest of gamers
<riteo>
GAMING 24/7 with their HIGH SPEED 62 TB NAS storing every game ever created
<testuser[m]>
loldows
<riteo>
probably half of it is dedicated only to minecraft mods lmao
<travankor>
that guy and fungalnet would make an interesting pair
<riteo>
omg who is fungalnet now
<riteo>
I looked it up and finished in an interesting blog
<riteo>
also btw this blog called everyone here against kiss values
<riteo>
"hurr durr the big leader dylan restructured everything because the community wasn't kiss, luckily he restructured everything"
<riteo>
also lmao they called dylan "he" and then specified who
<testuser[m]>
no fungalnet just has issues with reading comprehension
<riteo>
like it's some cult or something lmao
<testuser[m]>
Before anyone knew it, Kiss community violating the principles was more Kiss than Kiss itself, and the community’s looser principles (or lack there of) were characterizing Kiss more than it could maintain character itself.
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<riteo>
wait is this part of the reading comprehension or did they actually say that
<riteo>
s/say/mean/
<testuser[m]>
that's what they wrote
<riteo>
yeah, buy did they mean what I said before or was it that reading comprehension thing
<testuser[m]>
no i was just saying they have (or pretend to have) trouble understanding stuff
<testuser[m]>
check the reddit thread
<testuser[m]>
the "chcpcd" one
<riteo>
I'll do
<riteo>
oh
<riteo>
my
<riteo>
god
<riteo>
this was the weirdest experience I've ever had
<riteo>
at first it was funny but now my head hurts a little
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<riteo>
> Kiss is much simpler than Arch, it is K.I.S.genius
<riteo>
I don't think that's how acronyms work
<riteo>
lmao from the list of healthy distro from their blog: Kiss Linux –> kisslinux.org (New and even more promising – independent from community influence)
<riteo>
does fungal use only repo with their system
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<riteo>
well, I have to go for now, cya!
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<konimex>
> their jargon is primarily made of LOL, all caps, silly namecalling and "haha"s
<konimex>
put away the LOLS, all caps, and "haha"s and it can be pretty much applied to some people here tbf
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<dilyn>
^
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<dilyn>
some of those people are gonna have fucking coniption when they see my new email o.o
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<konimex>
by email you meant mailing list email or something else? since I don't know if the mailing list was deactivated after Dylan decided not to use any at all
<dilyn>
my email address, sorry
<dilyn>
the mailing list will return sunday evening if somebody jumps on me for it; something dramatic happened in my personal life that sort of consumed all the time I wanted to devote towards community-facing things :o
<dilyn>
sorry all, but self-care comes first
<vladimyr>
Wish you quick and easy going back to normal
<dilyn>
we'll get there (: ty
<testuser[m]>
soon
<dilyn>
soon(tm)
<dilyn>
knowing me... six years
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<acheam>
Vim has a built in manpager
<cem>
I was gonna mock it, and then remembered that Emacs does too
<acheam>
You don't get to mock another editor being bloated
<cem>
I can mock vim however I like
<acheam>
You have 2 manpagers actually!
<cem>
emacs ain't an editor
<cem>
vim is
<acheam>
Fair
<cem>
your point is fair as well
<cem>
:D
<cem>
also that reddit thread
<cem>
dude needs a chill out
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<phoebos>
ah i could use a different variable name, what a dummy
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<ang>
acheam, just checked nl(1), you'd actually have to limit code to 72 columns to account for its default (POSIX) style of numbering and still fit within 80 columns
<ang>
not that it matters though
<acheam>
Oo
<acheam>
OK*
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<acheam>
PSA: many `more` implementations are actually very good and offer a more minimal, yet very usable paging experience
<acheam>
i've switched to it from less, as less contains many features that I never use
<acheam>
(some more implementations suck though)
<dilyn>
for a POSIX makefile the first noncommented line has to be .POSIX
<dilyn>
more is 'acceptable' if you want paging and not reading, but i'd rather use cat than more :<
<cem>
not being able to go back is crap
<cem>
busybox less is pretty okay imo
<cem>
more is straight up useless
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<dilyn>
more = useless -> more = (use)(less) -> more = use less -> ln -sf less ~/.local/bin/more
<acheam>
Lol
<ang>
I used to simply output man to the console and scroll/search with tmux
<acheam>
Obsd more lets you scroll up
<acheam>
And some other implementations do too
<ang>
problem was always finding the beginning of the man page
<acheam>
Just search for the name of the manpage?
<ang>
that should work I guess
<acheam>
More specifically, search for name(
<ang>
^NAME works pretty good
<ang>
no need for paging anymore though, I live in acme now
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<ang>
acme is like emacs, you can live in the editor but its less shit
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<acheam>
Why don't you just use plan9?
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<ang>
I prefer to have a proper web-browser and mpv
<ang>
hardware support is probably not good as well but I haven't researched that at all
<rio6>
I use vim as my man pager
<cem>
Isn't openbsd more just an old version of less?
<acheam>
"Augment the list of directories to search for manual pages." says man(1)
<acheam>
ohhh mandoc(1) exists
<acheam>
nvm
<acheam>
wait I still dont get it
<acheam>
cem, phoebos
<phoebos>
I'm guessing that's like /use/share/man/manN etc
<acheam>
yes
<acheam>
but what did yall mean with -ms and -mom?
<cem>
In mandoc, or groff or troff -m is used specify which macro to use
<cem>
mandoc only supports the -man and -mdoc macros
<phoebos[m]>
Ah yeah they're macros
<cem>
groff has a bunch of macros for document formatting
<acheam>
oh okay
<acheam>
will play around with groff
<acheam>
even though its GNU :(
<phoebos[m]>
There's (di)troff or alternatively neatroff
<acheam>
groff is the only one packaged for obsd and im lazy
<cem>
obsd has deroff in source
<cem>
oh that's something different
<acheam>
yeah
<acheam>
interesting but not super helpful in this case
<jslick>
Was the documentation for kiss alternatives removed? There used to be an example command to switch all alts for a package, but I can't find it anymore
<acheam>
kiss a | awk -F: '{print $2}' | sh
<acheam>
or something like that?
<acheam>
I forget what the kiss a output looks like
<acheam>
kiss a | awk -F: '/pkgname/ {print $2}' | sh
<jslick>
checked out old revision; I see: kiss a | grep ^sbase | kiss a -
<acheam>
yep thats cleaner
<jslick>
Couldn't even find the command documentation in the current version; wonder why he removed it
<acheam>
its not really relevant
<acheam>
general tips and tricks shouldn't be included in the documentation IMO
<acheam>
they can be put elsewhere
<jslick>
I mean documentation for even the alternatives command seems to be missing, not just tips and tricks
<acheam>
ah
<acheam>
z/1
<acheam>
oops
<jslick>
That's a really short password
<acheam>
thats true
<acheam>
it will never be as secure as the most strong and complex passowrd there is