<acheam>
my solution to that in the past has just been to fork projects
<acheam>
for example, my only nit with catgirl right now is that it doesn't have vi-like line-editing
<acheam>
(not a huge deal as I use emacs bindings in the browser anyways, but still inconsistent with the rest of my TUI programs)
<noocsharp>
i discovered sam zeloof recently
<noocsharp>
very interesting projects
<acheam>
very interesting projects that go entirely over my head
<noocsharp>
claims to be the first person to manufacture a 1200 transistor chip at home
<noocsharp>
which is insanely cool, because in a few years, it might be possible to manufacture our own computers from scratch
<noocsharp>
well, from a silicon wafer at least
<acheam>
is 1200 a lot? Seems like a teeny tiny amount
<acheam>
still cool to do at home
<acheam>
but what capability of computer are we talking about here
<noocsharp>
yeah, apparently it's about on par with the intel 4004 from 1971
<noocsharp>
on the same order of magnitude, the intel 4004 has like 2000 transistors
<acheam>
interesting
<noocsharp>
a 6502 only has around 3000 transistors
<acheam>
really?
<acheam>
wow
<phoebos[m]>
photolithography requires some pretty sophisticated equipment though
<noocsharp>
sam zeloof has a youtube channel, where he walks through how he made it
<noocsharp>
definitely worth a watch
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<midfavila>
neat technology for sure
<midfavila>
i'll be more interested once you can make stuff in the Z80 level of complexity though
<midfavila>
so around 8000 transistors I think?
<noocsharp>
isn't that what collapseos runs on?
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
hence my interest
<midfavila>
once i learn FORTH and work through the MINIX book I intend to build an RC2014 backplane system and contribute to cOS
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<midfavila>
man, uuencode/decode are such cool tools
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<midfavila>
also, turns out that there's a tool called unexpand to convert spaces into tabs. people can finally stop being ridiculous about indentation, so long as they're consistent with their personal choices
<GalaxyNova>
why do we need a special tool for that
<acheam>
^
<GalaxyNova>
just use sed
<midfavila>
technically you don't
<midfavila>
but you technically don't need head or tail either
<GalaxyNova>
tfw you realize posix is bloated
<midfavila>
i mean
<midfavila>
there's a reason people call it poosix
<GalaxyNova>
and you get set up your own custom keybindings and color schemes for it
<GalaxyNova>
it's quite cool
<testuser[m]>
Hmm
<GalaxyNova>
is it not working for you?
<testuser[m]>
I thought it highlighted regular langs by default aswell
<testuser[m]>
Not just manpages
<GalaxyNova>
oh
<GalaxyNova>
you could look into bat then
<GalaxyNova>
it's a pager that can highlight normal langs
<testuser[m]>
Yeah ik that one
<GalaxyNova>
if you also just care about the syntax highlighting you could get a syntax highlighting program and then pipe it into a regular pager
<acheam>
Or just use less
<testuser[m]>
I just pipe into my editor for syntax highlighting
<testuser[m]>
But a pager would be beyter
<testuser[m]>
Better
<GalaxyNova>
I think most supports a way to interpret ansi color codes
<testuser[m]>
Oh, less -R does aswell but it's a gnoo extension
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<GalaxyNova>
welcome faulty
<GalaxyNova>
:D
<faulty>
hello!
<faulty>
hello, i am installing kiss, i did the . ~/.profile and i can see the packages but when i do kiss build gnupgl to setup rep signing it says it can't be found!
<testuser[m]>
change the keyserver
<testuser[m]>
wait
<testuser[m]>
pgp.mit.edu
<acheam>
Echo $KISS_PATH
<faulty>
that's not the problem, i cant build gnupgl
<testuser[m]>
Oh misrea
<testuser[m]>
misread
<faulty>
ERROR 'gnupgl' not found
<acheam>
echo $KISS_PATH
<faulty>
-> Building: explicit: gnupgl
<faulty>
-> Checking for pre-built dependencies
<faulty>
ERROR 'gnupgl' not found
<acheam>
Uhh
<acheam>
Its gnupg1
<acheam>
Not gnupgl
<faulty>
oh my god
<faulty>
im sorry
<acheam>
Lol
<faulty>
thanks for the hassle anyways
<GalaxyNova>
I've just noticed the new website has abusolutely no references to kiss community :(
<GalaxyNova>
kinda sad since it's gonna make it harder for new users to learn that kiss community exists
<faulty>
just change all statuses on all social media to libera.chat #kisslinux
<faulty>
be the revolution
<GalaxyNova>
yes
<GalaxyNova>
might make an issue later to see how dylan would feel about having the links included
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<testuser[m]>
Dylan wanted to go for shithub discussions for tek support
<travankor>
"Before anyone knew it, Kiss community violating the principles was more Kiss than Kiss itself, and the community’s looser principles (or lack there of) were characterizing Kiss more than it could maintain character itself."
<travankor>
what does that even mean?
<claudia02>
Yeah, the author has great talent to capsule their message so deeply, that its hard to figure out. And not in a good way.
<noocsharp>
ngl, sway is a breath of fresh air compared to dwm
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<ang>
noocsharp, how comes?
<ang>
I've used i3 ages ago and didn't really like it tbh
<noocsharp>
it just works, wayland feels much faster in general
<noocsharp>
i was gonna try to get velox to work before moving to wayland, but firefox won't even start up, not sure why
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<ang>
I see
<ang>
isn't that more a wayland vs X thing tho, and not really specific to sway?
<midfavila>
even then it's iffy
<midfavila>
i find different window managers feel snappier than others
<midfavila>
compare twm to muffin for example
<noocsharp>
also the just works bit, and it's just nice to use a different window manager to what i've been using for the > year
<noocsharp>
*past > year
<ang>
fair enough
<noocsharp>
wayland vs x is like 144hz vs 60hz
<noocsharp>
you don't care until you experience it
<noocsharp>
it just feels way snappier
<ang>
that's interesting
<noocsharp>
it's possible that it's just the lack of screen tearing that makes it feel faster, not totally sure
<midfavila>
i just wish wayland had more options than just "le meme tiler" and "le foot"
<ang>
I would need to research xwayland, cause I can't live without acme anymore
<midfavila>
if you like acme, maybe you should look into wmii
<noocsharp>
yeah, the ecosystem isn't really there, but it seems to do what i need it do
<ang>
I've used it years ago
<ang>
I don't really need much window managing
<ang>
all I need is 3 workspaces, browser, acme, mpv
<midfavila>
i just use shod and some small utilities to interface with EWMH
<midfavila>
it's unbelievably comfy
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<ang>
I wouldn't switch to it from dwm, but it seems nice
<midfavila>
yeah, it's cool if nothing else
<midfavila>
i don't think I'll stick to it in the future, but there are some ideas in shod that I'm definitely gonna steal when I write my own wm Soon:tm:
<midfavila>
namely the XPM-based theming engine and and minimal policy
<midfavila>
although I'd like to make it a little more flexible...
<midfavila>
for example, having twm-style "squeezed" titlebars is something I really like
<midfavila>
or being able to define additional buttons and bind them to scripts, etc
<ang>
what's squeezed? You mean "minimizing" a window to only the titlebar?
<midfavila>
nah, that's shading
<midfavila>
what I mean is, like,
<ang>
right, now that you say that
<midfavila>
so twm and friends can compress a titlebar to only take up the amount of space needed to display the title
<midfavila>
or a fixed width
<ang>
oh gotcha
<midfavila>
BeOS does the same thing
<ang>
yeah
<midfavila>
combined with proper window tabbing it's a cool effect
<midfavila>
but yeah, what would be really nice is if I could seperate the ideas of shod into their own discrete programs
<midfavila>
e.g have a souped-up border creation and theming program, another to manage window tiling, and so on
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<faulty>
so, when starting sway it says that it cant open the wayland port or smt
<faulty>
am i doing something wrong?
<omanom>
>post logs or else
<omanom>
:)
<omanom>
you can use a pastebin like ix.io to share log files
<faulty>
aight give me a sec
<faulty>
how do i make one via the terminal since that's all i can access rn?
<omanom>
how are you starting sway
<faulty>
# sway
<omanom>
ok so you can redirect its output to a file and then post the file's contents
<faulty>
how do i post that on pastebin via the cli
<faulty>
like a command
<omanom>
for ix.xio you do: cat mylogfile.txt | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
<faulty>
alright brb
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<faulty>
on my mobile rn
<micro_O>
most of the cli-friendly pastebins print their post commands when you GET
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<micro_O>
curl ix.io , curl 0x0.st do that
<faulty>
this is very stupid but how do i put it in a file sway > output.txt doesnt work
<omanom>
sway > output.txt 2>&1
<omanom>
i don't recall if sway has a default log file to look at