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<Jason123santaOnI> I am trying to install the kernel and it told me to install lilo so I did but its giving me an error 1 build failed
<rio6> pretty sure the lilo is just a warning and can be ignored
<Jason123santaOnI> Its says build failed
<rio6> it's probably other things that caused it to fail
<Jason123santaOnI> Wait yeah the lilo warning does not matter
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<testuser[m]> Hi
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<acheam> Hi
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<nxghtmvrx> Huh no more song of the day? That's sad.
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<schillingklaus> when all hope is gone, sad songs say so much; sad songs they say, sad songs they say so much ...
<testuser[m]> where'd your hope go schillingklaus
<schillingklaus> the hope went out when systemd started to dominate linux development
<testuser[m]> why you posting this now then, its been years
<nxghtmvrx> lmao
<nxghtmvrx> Boomer yells in computing
<nxghtmvrx> This skynet shall die forever
<schillingklaus> because nx**** prompted it
<nxghtmvrx> To be honest whatever it is you don't like in our freedomland doesn't matter cuz I don't think that Linux kernel will last more than 5 more years.
<schillingklaus> i guess my current computer may still last for 5 years, and then I will abandon using computers altogether
<Erus_Iluvatar> schillingklaus: why not flee to BSD ?
<schillingklaus> would be great if the bsd lasted that long
<nxghtmvrx> I already left everything that I had in city and run into the wilderness
<nxghtmvrx> That's the actual solution I guess
<testuser[m]> install windows
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<schillingklaus> windows is hostile to command line fetishists
<nxghtmvrx> Mouse clicking heretics
<nxghtmvrx> Here I only type
<Erus_Iluvatar> why would any BSD die in the next 5 years ?
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<Erus_Iluvatar> The linux kernel, I can kinda see it when corporate interest keep bloating it until it bursts
<schillingklaus> dunno ... hardware manufacturers become more and mmore hostile to independent driver development
<nxghtmvrx> Because Fuchsia
<nxghtmvrx> Will replace everything
<Erus_Iluvatar> and we'll laugh at the silliness of fighting for the best Google Chrome bootloader then :P
<Erus_Iluvatar> because everything will be done through it
<Erus_Iluvatar> to get back on driver developement getting stiffled : as long as there is a way, someone will hack it's way on the platform
<Erus_Iluvatar> what scares me is some kind of legal "backdoor" disguised in the right to repair
<Erus_Iluvatar> which will make modifications of software unlawful
<schillingklaus> there are people trying to fork systemd for openbsd, but it will take more than five years to convincce theo to use it as default
<nxghtmvrx> obsd isn't perfect solution either. same problems even if no systemd
<Erus_Iluvatar> the other major obstacle on the way for BSD is commercial software availability
<schillingklaus> i do not need commercial software
<testuser[m]> bsd isnt developed for YOU
<testuser[m]> bruh
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<testuser[m]> konimex, dilyn: would you know why this simple makefile doesnt work properly under bmake ? https://termbin.com/8urz7
<testuser[m]> it removes the -o option from cc flags entirely for some reason, which outputs obj file in ./test.o instead of ./src/test.o
<konimex> probably the %.o: %.c, iirc I had to patch it in some software
<konimex> but no idea really, not that well-versed in makefiles
<mTvare6> hello
<testuser[m]> hi
<testuser[m]> ok thanks konimex
<schillingklaus> who or what is a bruh?
<testuser[m]> mTvare6: no
<testuser[m]> schillingklaus: duckduckgo it
<testuser[m]> konimex: oh i just had to use .c.o instead of %.o: %.c
<testuser[m]> but i do need the % matching for other stuff, dont see anything in the docs for it
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<illiliti> testuser[m]: % isn't posix
<testuser[m]> What portable alternative is there then illiliti
<illiliti> .SUFFIXES:
<illiliti> .c.o
<testuser[m]> Yeah i got that, but is it possible to match specific stuff
<testuser[m]> Eg
<testuser[m]> third_party/%.o
<testuser[m]> I need to silence all warnings from 3rd party headers
<illiliti> you need to predefine it
<testuser[m]> So like creating a list of every single c file from there
<testuser[m]> Hmm
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<illiliti> also, it's better to create Makefile in third_party dir to avoid this prefix
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<testuser[m]> Hmm i see, Thanks
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<testuser[m]> illiliti: do you have any ideas to deduplicate the object files from both makefiles ?
<testuser[m]> like top-level has `OBJ = myobj.o third_party/dir/obj.o` while the other has `dir/obj.o`. I could put them in a .mk file and include it but it would require string substitution which i assume wont be very portable
<testuser[m]> oh
<testuser[m]> ill just put both the makefiles in same dir
<illiliti> testuser[m]: https://termbin.com/3n0fw
<illiliti> this might be useful
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<sad_plan> when building a .c file, and its seems its missing ELF, how do I fix that?
<sad_plan> Im buiding no-wm manually, as the makefile does not want to build statically, for some reason, so Im bypassing it
<testuser[m]> log
<sad_plan> wait, wtf, I just built it again now, to give you logs, and.. it just suddenly worked.
<sad_plan> in any case, I did 'cc -static -Wall -O2 -std=c99 -pedantic -L/usr/lib/ -lxcb -lX11 -lXau x-alt-tab.c -o x-alt-tab'
<sad_plan> and it just errored out, on missing symbols, on numerous references. which was wierd, as no-wm only requires libX11.
<sad_plan> it does link to libXau aswell as libxcb though, which I specified
<sad_plan> is that.. common? or is it just me who stumbles upon strange errors that just fix them selves?
* sad_plan shrugs
<testuser[m]> illiliti: https://termbin.com/l75e what do you think of this
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<illiliti> looks OK
<illiliti> you forgot to add .PHONY:
<illiliti> it's quite common practice, not strictly necessary though
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<zola> Is there a way to make kiss pull git submodules too when cloning a repo?
<testuser[m]> Put git submodule bla bla in the build file
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<micro_O> o/
<testuser[m]> hi
<Jason123santaOnI> The Linux kernel does not come with Intel WiFi drivers? I booted my system to see that my wifi card is not detected
<acheam> testuser[m]: that's messy though
<acheam> building shouldn't require internet imo
<Erus_Iluvatar> Jason123santaOnI: either you did'nt build the kernel module for it, or it requires a firmware ?
<testuser[m]> acheam: wdym kiss doing the git pull would need internet aswell
<acheam> hm that's fair
<acheam> i just use the tarball snapshot feature most git hosting services has
<testuser[m]> It clones submodules ?
<acheam> prob not
<acheam> but you can do the same thing for submodules and manually include them in sources file
<acheam> but thats messy too
<acheam> submodules are messy in general
<Jason123santaOnI> Erus_lluvatar: I think I need to get the linux firmware for the WiFi card
<Jason123santaOnI> The WiFi card works in every distro except Debian (never had luck with Debian and Intel WiFi working)
<Jason123santaOnI> Debian does work fine if I use the non free iso but only with that
<Erus_Iluvatar> yup, smells like a required firmware
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<Jason123santaOnI> So I basically extract the linux firmware to
<Jason123santaOnI> usr/lib/firmware
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<Erus_Iluvatar> and cp linux-firmware/iwlwifi-whatever /usr/lib/firmware/
<Jason123santaOnI> I thought I had to download the .tar.gz and extract that to the firmware folder
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<acheam> yeah use a release tarball
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<riteo-laptop> hiiii!
<riteo-laptop> it's been a while, hasn't it?
<riteo-laptop> huh, it's kind of surprising to know that kiss linux uses openssh instead of dropbear
<riteo-laptop> is there a particular reason for that=
<riteo-laptop> s/=/?/
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