<micr0>
GalaxyNova: you can see the commit where dylan updated the new site in github. dont have it handy, but yeah, he removed that section (which makes me happy)
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<micr0>
its kinda hard to find the commit because most messages are 'update' but im sure theres some git-fu to find the last commit that removed a line
<kyxor>
okay I am done with this wayland stuff for today, I set it up in a new kiss install with sway, and I run sway and get a segfault, amazing
<kyxor>
I mean I did learn a few new things trying to get it to work, but like why in the hell can't i run sway as root, it's my hardware I should be able to do what I want. Okay I patched that stupidity out, still segfaults every time and i can't get a decent stack trace because everytime i attach gdb it just freezes why whole system in a hard lock
<micr0>
searching for lines removed: git log -c -S'text to search for, i think case-sensitive'
<kyxor>
I think it also thew an error saying xkbcommon ERROR failed to add default inlude path, then some non existand X11 directory, pretty weird, not sure if its related to segfault or not
<dilyn>
possibly
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<kyxor>
Anyways I propably messed something up as usual, back to good old X11 for now.
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<ehawk>
If anyone wants to keep using X, I forked Dylan's man repo before he made the switch to wayland
<dilyn>
shame it's gpl :( otherwise I'd hop right on it
<dilyn>
maybe dylan should look at it (:
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<akira01>
hey guys
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<GalaxyNova>
Do i need xf86 packages on wayland?
<testuser[m]>
no
<phoebos[m]>
dilyn: does links2 still have a place in community? if so, i'll take it
<GalaxyNova>
btw why does community drop packages instead of just leaving them as is
<GalaxyNova>
if the packages build then why remove them
<testuser[m]>
Outdated
<GalaxyNova>
so what?
<Erus_Iluvatar>
GalaxyNova: if there is a new version of the packet, but no one willing to package it
<GalaxyNova>
even if it's oudated it's probably still way ahead of debian packages lol
<Erus_Iluvatar>
why keep the package ?
<GalaxyNova>
so users don't have to go digging through git log to find it
<GalaxyNova>
it would also mean people could git --depth 1 without worrying
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<claudia>
kyxor: Look at kiss-manifest xkeyboard-config. I think I encountered this problem too, altough I did a kiss-reset.
<claudia>
Just rebuilding ykeyboard-config or libxkbcommon and the issue was gone.
<schillingklaus>
is ykeyboard a wayland thing?
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<testuser[m]>
No, ykeyboard is a typo
<claudia>
haha, apologies :D
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<foomar>
Has anyone here successfully built netsurf? I'm trying to leave firefox and compiling webkit2gtk on my 2 core 2 GB of RAM machine takes literally a full day
<foomar>
I found an old package in the graveyard for netsurf-fb but it's not working for me
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<claudia>
foomar: doo a 'kiss-manifest perl' . You have to sync the perl version in the build file. http://ix.io/3sJY
<claudia>
Btw you can change 'framebuffer' to 'gkt3' to build the gtk3 frontend
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<dilyn>
GalaxyNova: a package that isn't being updated is 1) a potential security risk, and 2) shows that whoever was originally interested in it, no longer is. 'Maintainer' means just that :)
<dilyn>
No good reason to have a repository full of packages nobody is interested in
<dilyn>
phoebos: it certainly probably perhaps still has a place
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<phoebos[m]>
certainly probably perhaps will do
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<soliwilos>
Wayland image viewer: https://github.com/artemsen/swayimg ..though it uses sway's ipc for some things, perhaps not too hard ripping those bits out.
<acheam>
I would just like to point out that libass has a file called ass_shaper.c
<acheam>
that is all
<acheam>
yes, I am very mature
<testuser[m]>
lol
<testuser[m]>
i noticed it in dylan's patches
<schillingklaus>
not to confuse with dilyn's patches
<akira01>
fucking command in install section not work
<testuser[m]>
bruh
<acheam>
what command?
<akira01>
xz -d "$OLDPWD/$file" | tar xvf -
<acheam>
oh he changed that command recently, it used to be just tar
<acheam>
why isn't it working?
<akira01>
tar: This does not look like a tar archive
<akira01>
tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
<akira01>
if i do the command again
<akira01>
says the kiss-chroot archive not exist in dir
<acheam>
did you verify the checksums?
<acheam>
did you cd to any directories in between the commands?
<akira01>
Yeah i verify the cheksums
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<akira01>
what did a error is the gpg
<akira01>
no cd in any directories
<akira01>
just cp and paste what the guide says
<omanom>
what is the value of $OLDPWD and $file? Did you just copy-and-paste that as well?
<acheam>
oldpwd should be done by the shell
<akira01>
oldpwd is /home/liveuser/
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<akira01>
$file is kiss-chroot-2021.7.5.tar.xz
<akira01>
All correct
<dilyn>
worked just fine for me
<dilyn>
so... try redownloading it
<akira01>
i tried...
<akira01>
when i do xz my tar.xz file turns in tar file
<akira01>
and it is not recognize by the $file because it need .tar.xz and not .tar
<omanom>
it failed for me too just now, with same issue
<akira01>
but if i rename to .tar.xz it happens the same error
<testuser[m]>
the latest tarball worked for me just fine
<akira01>
maybe the problem is my fedora live iso?
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<akira01>
don't know
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<testuser[m]>
no
<omanom>
xz deletes the source file, right?
<akira01>
not exactly
<akira01>
it rename my kiss-chroot
<omanom>
try `xz -dc`
<micr0_>
hey if anyone wants to send me a list of commits for dropped software packages, I started a repo called 'kiss-graveyard' which is useful for adopting or burying stuff https://github.com/jedahan/kiss-graveyard
<dilyn>
or just cd to the director you want the tarball to live in, and do tar xf /path/to/kiss-chroot-2021.7-5.tar.xz
<testuser[m]>
it already exists micr0_
<testuser[m]>
in kiss-community/kiss-graveyad
<testuser[m]>
rd
<acheam>
lol
<akira01>
the dylans community repo will not exists more?
<testuser[m]>
akira01 it wont work at all cuz no xwayland
<testuser[m]>
steam is a xorg program
<akira01>
xwayland will not be in repo?
<msk[m]>
xorg and wayland don't conflict, do they? So it will be pretty easy to have both installed at once (not running at the same time)?
<testuser[m]>
no
<testuser[m]>
pure x
<testuser[m]>
wayland *
<akira01>
shit
<testuser[m]>
you can add it yourself
<schillingklaus>
is xwayland still a thing, so steam might run in emulation?
<testuser[m]>
xwayland is and will be a thing, for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
<testuser[m]>
its not emulation its just an X server
<testuser[m]>
but you can use it while running a wayland compositor
<micr0_>
btw I updated the kiss-find db a minute ago, so `kiss find neatvi` will show stuff like kiss-community/graveyard packages. should be helpful. If anyone has non-github repositories they would like added to kiss-find, please message me here or make a PR
<soliwilos>
I think wofi only depends on wayland and gtk+3
<noocsharp>
wait wtf, wasn't the main kiss repo's point to get you up to a web browser, and now there's no web browser in extra?
<claudia>
You basically have to disable gl
<noocsharp>
claudia: thanks, i'll take a look
<claudia>
there is ff, still.
<dilyn>
firefox is in extra lad
<noocsharp>
so it is
<acheam>
what made you think it wasnt lol?
<noocsharp>
wait, then what's acheam looking for?
<noocsharp>
i looked in wayland thinking it was extra...
<claudia>
pkgsrc still builds from source :p
<dilyn>
temporary blindness explains most things
<acheam>
claudia: i thought they had a binary system
<acheam>
in addition to building from source
<acheam>
but maybe that only works with bsdlibc
<claudia>
y. But I _think_ just for netbsd
<claudia>
I might be wrong.
<claudia>
pkgin is what you prob want then.
<acheam>
noocsharp: just alternate methods that dont require so many make deps
<acheam>
like, im looking into flatpak right now
<acheam>
also gcompat + appimage
<kqz>
bwrap pointed at a chroot is my go to
<noocsharp>
nix?
<acheam>
noocsharp: ooh good idea
<acheam>
thanks
<acheam>
kqz: chroots feel like cheating
<acheam>
although tbf I have 2 applications running in a chroot as we speak
<acheam>
but thats out of necesity, not laziness
<kqz>
are you just trying to run glib apps?
<kqz>
glibc*
<dilyn>
we should all just install ubuntu
<dilyn>
oh wait no sorry
<dilyn>
kubuntu
<kqz>
lol
<acheam>
I need to run 2 crummy programs: zoom, and a web browser
<acheam>
zoom needs to be in a chroot for glibc, and general spywareness
<GalaxyNova>
what's the glibc package then
<claudia>
Imaging just burn your computer.
<acheam>
GalaxyNova: ?
<GalaxyNova>
doesn't that allow for glib programs to run?
<acheam>
dilyn: have you found a new job yet?
<kqz>
idk how much you want to engineer this, but you can just create two very slim chroot tarballs, have kiss install them with a bwrap script to run them
<acheam>
GalaxyNova: where is this glibc package?
<dilyn>
i'm still waiting to hear back :X
<acheam>
kqz: hmm yeah thanks
<noocsharp>
maybe he's talking about gcompat?
<GalaxyNova>
repo/extra/glib
<noocsharp>
glib != glibc
<GalaxyNova>
acheam
<zola>
Someone mentioned appimages above, has someone been able to get them to run?
<GalaxyNova>
noocsharp: What is it then
<noocsharp>
it's another library that serves as the base for gnome
<GalaxyNova>
oh
<acheam>
I'll probably just keep the arch chroot for zoom, kdenlive, and other massive/proprietary programs that I need, and use void chroots or something for a web browser
<acheam>
i'd like to have my browser sandboxed anyhow
<dilyn>
can't you just use namespaces
<msk[m]>
acheam: can't you just use zoom's web client, so it would be part of your browser?
<noocsharp>
in my limited experience, zoom's web client barely works
<acheam>
msk[m]: web client isnt good enough for my meetings requirements
<kqz>
bwrap is just a simple wrapper around namespaces
<msk[m]>
I used it last year for my classes and it worked well enough
<acheam>
maybe its gotten better since I last tried it
<acheam>
but I also dont usually build my browser with webrtc and media support
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<akira01>
kiss-chroot can't use wget
<akira01>
is this removed?
<acheam>
?
<acheam>
why cant you use wget
<akira01>
because the wiki says to use it to get the kernel
<acheam>
you've gotta give more detail
<akira01>
wget not found
<dilyn>
wget -> busybox
<dilyn>
so.. ls -l /usr/bin/wget?
<acheam>
maybe dylan removed it from the busybox build?
<dilyn>
echo $PATH
<acheam>
try running "busybox wget"
<dilyn>
that seems like an oversight
<akira01>
yeah
<akira01>
No such file or dir
<acheam>
echo $PATH
<foomar>
acheam: I also /have/ to run zoom but still haven't found any good resource on how to create glibc chroots, what libraries does it need?
<GalaxyNova>
akira01: it's not built into busybox anymore
<dilyn>
just use curl
<GalaxyNova>
i've noticed that too
<akira01>
thanks
<dilyn>
dylan should update the install guide :v
<GalaxyNova>
you can probably put it back by forking the busybox package
<akira01>
dilyn: yeah should
<acheam>
^^^ DYLAN ^^^
<acheam>
hopefully makes him see it when he skims the log lol
<GalaxyNova>
akira01: dilyn != dylan
<GalaxyNova>
lmao
<acheam>
foomar: you can download the archlinux rootfs
<acheam>
just unpack it and kiss-chroot into it
<acheam>
then use it like an arch install
<foomar>
acheam: smart, will try that
<foomar>
thanks
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<acheam>
git with no perl users: how do you add hunks individually?
<acheam>
without git add -p
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<noocsharp>
i think there's a c port? i don't use it tho
<dilyn>
a labor of life remembering all of those github usernames
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<noocsharp>
i think i make it pretty easy
<dilyn>
sometimes
<claudia>
u hero^^
<claudia>
this is barbery
<claudia>
yes, its the right word.
<acheam>
not me
<acheam>
most of my online identies are differnet usernames
<claudia>
acheam: You are 1 of 3 suggestions, how helpfull^^
<acheam>
:)
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<micr0_>
i wonder the level of complexity of using kiss alternatives to allow for provides-like features. Motivating example: I use node v14 to develop certain projects, so i made a nodejs-lts package in my personal repository, so I would not force anyone using my repo to 'downgrade' to LTS
<micr0_>
however, firefox lists nodejs as a make dependency. Either i have to patch firefox to have nodejs-lts as its dependency, or maybe figure out a specificationt that doesn't suck, like 'nodejs|nodejs-lts make'
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<acheam>
i dont think it should be the burden of the package with the dependencies
<micr0_>
good point
<acheam>
idk, i just customize the build files to match my setup
<acheam>
(most commonly to accomodate byacc)
<micr0_>
brb
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<omanom>
i agree with acheam, my first instinct is that it would put too much complexity into the package manager
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<acheam>
ugh I'm already 1gb into creating this tar.xz and realized I should have used a tar.zst
<acheam>
patience is a virtue that I lack
<acheam>
damn zstd was near instant
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<phoebos[m]>
is libtls [gonna be] in community or main yet?
<dilyn>
libtls should be packaged with openssl
<phoebos[m]>
coolio
<acheam>
man libarchive is sooo much nicer than busybox tar
<dilyn>
now imagine pax
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<acheam>
nah
<noocsharp>
i have the pax man page and don't even have pax
<noocsharp>
how do you get your documentation then?
<dilyn>
--help
<acheam>
manpages go much further than what --help does lol
<acheam>
what about the single line help messages
<acheam>
like opendoas
<dilyn>
yeah but why would I need more than --help :thinking:
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<dilyn>
what more do I need opendoas to do than let me move root:root files XD
<noocsharp>
you ever mounted a drive?
<dilyn>
sometimes
<dilyn>
i think y'all misunderestimate how good my memory is
<dilyn>
at least for the options I actually care about
<noocsharp>
but what happens when there are options that you would care about if you new about them?
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<noocsharp>
knew*
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<acheam>
oh man openbsd sed reaaaaly hates "sed 's|/|>|g'"
<acheam>
lol
<acheam>
its got my fans running at 100%
<noocsharp>
also i'll have you know that the words "y'all" and "misunderestimate" are sacred texan words, for our exclusive use
<noocsharp>
what did you run it on?
<acheam>
y'all misunderestimate how much i am willing to appropriate texan culture
<acheam>
noocsharp: tried to replace busybox sed with baseutils sed
<acheam>
and now cant use kiss a to swap it back lol
<noocsharp>
lmao
<GalaxyNova>
somehow i got a package that created a circular dependency with itself lmao
<acheam>
that happens sometimes
<acheam>
travankor: did you ever use lobase on kiss?
<acheam>
hmm interesting. sta.li just puts everything from /usr into /
<acheam>
which makes sense actually, given that most things in /usr are symlinked to / anyways
<soliwilos>
Is anyone using or have tried libtls-bearssl?
<noocsharp>
acheam: oasis does the same thing
<noocsharp>
soliwilos: i've toyed with it, will probably switch to it if i end up putting openssl on my system
<acheam>
noocsharp: oh cool
<acheam>
im conflicted whether or not to do it on my system
<soliwilos>
noocsharp: I tried to use it with catgirl, but so far haven't had much luck. I am using bearssl with a couple things, so figured it could be nice to use libtls-bearssl as well.
<noocsharp>
wdym haven't had much luck? it's not working?
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<akira01>
efibootmgr fails to build
<akira01>
Well
<akira01>
this is the most buggy kiss install i have lol
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<GalaxyNova>
akira01: send kiss log
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<akira01>
termbin.com/zi9a
<GalaxyNova>
akira01: did you install efivar?
<GalaxyNova>
try kiss b efivar
<akira01>
Same
<akira01>
this build efivar
<akira01>
Efivar and efitbootmgr is in the same build the two are necessary
<akira01>
this log i send is of efivad
<akira01>
efivar
<GalaxyNova>
yes
<GalaxyNova>
do you have a UEFI compatible motherboard?
<GalaxyNova>
if it's newer than 10 years old that shoudn't be a problem