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acheam >
midfavila: thanks for you repo btw
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acheam >
like half my packages are from jt
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midfavila >
Aww, you're welcome. I'm glad to know that it's useful for someone.
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midfavila >
I need to go through and update them soon.
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midfavila >
sotd suggestion, btw
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acheam >
I'm not doing that anymore
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midfavila >
well, you guys'll just have to deal with me posting a bunch of semi-obscure music then.
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acheam >
midfavila: how do I get fonts to work on motif/xaw?
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midfavila >
you gotta use the X font descriptor
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acheam >
I'm getting errors could not get font 8x13
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midfavila >
i have xfontsel packaged
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midfavila >
use that to find a compatible XFD string
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acheam >
but 8x13 is in /usr/share/fonts/misc
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midfavila >
you can pass 'fixed' to the font argument to use X11's built in font
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midfavila >
have you run fc-cache?
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midfavila >
i wouldn't be entirely sure then
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midfavila >
you elcom
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midfavila >
i'll look into it a bit though.
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midfavila >
in the meantime, try using xfontsel.
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GalaxyNova >
someone needs to fork audacity
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midfavila >
or just
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midfavila >
not use bloatware
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midfavila >
use ffmpeg directly to play media.
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acheam >
wxwifgets lol
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GalaxyNova >
audacity does more than just place audio
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midfavila >
i don't actually care.
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GalaxyNova >
it has a programming language built into it
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midfavila >
disgusting.
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kayw >
damn, kernel comp failed bc of something about BTF debug so, guess i'm starting anew
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midfavila >
no like, for once I'm not joking
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midfavila >
that's actually, unironically awful.
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GalaxyNova >
it's for sound manipulation
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midfavila >
use ffmpeg.
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GalaxyNova >
it's called Nyquist
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GalaxyNova >
it's a lisp
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midfavila >
just because it's a based language doesn't mean it has any business in a media application.
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midfavila >
provide common lisp
*bindings*
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midfavila >
not an entire environ within the program.
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acheam >
midfavila: xfontsel is complaining about xpm missing
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GalaxyNova >
says the guy that uses a lisp window manager xD
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midfavila >
i don't use stumpwm
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midfavila >
acheam strange, install libXpm in the meantime
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midfavila >
i'll update the depends file
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acheam >
ah capital x that's why I couldn't find it
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midfavila >
i've been using shod, Nova
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GalaxyNova >
oh i heard of it
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GalaxyNova >
isn't it just someone's experiment
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midfavila >
...hmm...
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midfavila >
strange
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midfavila >
my build of xfontsel has no dependencies on xpm
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acheam >
hmmm xfontsel finds the font
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midfavila >
try passing the string xfontsel provides to your program
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acheam >
xfontsel finds it with
*-*-*-*-*
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acheam >
so not sure why it wouldnt be found
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midfavila >
in that case it would just be using fixed, I think
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midfavila >
which is built-in to X11
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acheam >
yes it is using misc-fixef
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acheam >
which is what my program is trying to find AFAICT
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midfavila >
8x13 is seperate
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midfavila >
explicitly pass fixed
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acheam >
well I have that installed too... will do
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acheam >
yay it worked thanks mid
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midfavila >
You're welcome, acheam.
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acheam >
not sure why these two buttons are gifuckingnormus but at least it launches
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acheam >
I'm building vile, if youre interestef
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midfavila >
"Vile"?
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midfavila >
Vi-like Emacs?
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acheam >
pretty cool editor with motif and xaw and ncurses guis
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midfavila >
Never heard of it before.
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midfavila >
I'll check it out.
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midfavila >
...can't say I'm a fan.
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kayw >
aaaaa why is compiling a kernel so damn difficult
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kayw >
i got this close and then it just, errored out
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kayw >
now it's something about byteorder
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midfavila >
have you applied the suggested sed -i to the kernel
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acheam >
midfavila: why?
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midfavila >
it's an emacs for vi users, not a vi for emacs users
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midfavila >
if that makes sense
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acheam >
kayw: yeah I think that is the same issue as everyone is having, check the news post about it
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acheam >
yeah makes sense
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kayw >
i did apply the sed patch
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midfavila >
question
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midfavila >
would you guys be interested in seeing KISS run on an old military backplane machine?
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kayw >
i think that'd be cool
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midfavila >
i'm looking at building an older ISA system for tinkering with
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kayw >
i remember seeing something about a distro made for older computers, can't remember the name or where i saw it
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midfavila >
powerful enough to do useful work, but weak enough that I'd have to be somewhat clever
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midfavila >
no ME, no overcomplicated ISA, just an 80486 or 80586
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midfavila >
maybe 128mb of memory
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kayw >
damn, yeah slap kiss on it
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kayw >
it'd take a while to compile but it should work
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kayw >
you could do distcc?
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midfavila >
i wouldn't compile it on the machine, dear god
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midfavila >
i'd cross-compile from my workstation and transfer it to the ISA machine over parallel
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midfavila >
probably using zmodem
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kayw >
yeah good idea
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midfavila >
...never mind... god, I fucking hate these "VINTAGE RARE L@@K!!!" people
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midfavila >
"I know what I have, no low-ballers!" and it's some 486DX in a case that's falling apart
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midfavila >
the chassis would be more expensive than the SBC and backplane combined
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kayw >
yeah no thanks
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midfavila >
i figured it would be like 200$ at most
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acheam >
y'all broke me, I'm slowly switching from emacs
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acheam >
first steps: switching to nano and mutt
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noocsharp >
nano1?!?!?
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acheam >
after that: org mode and feed reader
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acheam >
after that: my config files
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acheam >
noocsharp: yes, nano has impressed me the most of any editor I have tried so far
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acheam >
its surprisingly capable
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acheam >
but I'm open to other reccomendations
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acheam >
my criteria are: curses based or xaw/motif GUI, good editing shortcuts, syntax highlighting, and that's about it
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noocsharp >
the last time i used nano was on an arch iso
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acheam >
oh and it should be written in a sane language with a sane config language
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acheam >
noocsharp: then you havent given it a good shot
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noocsharp >
i need my vi
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acheam >
what implementation do you use?
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acheam >
I wouldn't call vis vi :)
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noocsharp >
vi + sam
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acheam >
ah yeah lol
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noocsharp >
for feed reader i would recommend sfeed/sfeed_curses
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acheam >
oh nice its by codemadness
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acheam >
looks good thanks!
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midfavila >
anyone here use hummingbird?
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acheam >
midfavila: I dont think so
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acheam >
man if there is one thing I miss from bash/zsh, its process substitution
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midfavila >
even after getting a proper, working system on my laptop, hummingbird still loses its mind
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midfavila >
also, what?
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acheam >
the <() syntax
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midfavila >
yash might have it.
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acheam >
I'll look into it
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midfavila >
i have it packaged, fyi
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midfavila >
it's a very comfy shell once you get it set up
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midfavila >
not too big either
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illiliti >
yash is awesome
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midfavila >
alas, it has trouble with kiss
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illiliti >
you can actually replace your /bin/sh with it
04:23
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midfavila >
not entirely.
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midfavila >
kiss breaks during installs.
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acheam >
ooh I think it does have it
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midfavila >
yash is like bash if it wasn't completely shit
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illiliti >
yash is more like zsh but with more focus on proper /bin/sh
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illiliti >
using zsh as /bin/sh is impossible
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acheam >
project idea: nano with lua bindings
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midfavila >
i'd like to write my own editor at some point
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midfavila >
i don't think it would be a PICO clone though
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midfavila >
...haha!
04:44
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midfavila >
Laptop is fully-functional once more
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midfavila >
albeit sans one bird,
04:44
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midfavila >
but still
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midfavila >
hummingbird
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midfavila >
i had to swap it for shinit
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midfavila >
i've hit a new lot in terms of memory usage
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midfavila >
85mb with a window manager, display manager, compositor, task manager, system tray, and bar open
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midfavila >
as well as a wireless daemon in the background
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midfavila >
15mb of that is the task manager, and another 22 is from the compositor
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midfavila >
this is the power of spending a week tuning your distro
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midfavila-laptop >
huzzah
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midfavila-laptop >
ih
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testuser[m] >
dilyn: is KISS_COMPRESS=zstd working for you ? Kiss seems to create archives that fail to extract with "short read"
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midfavila >
attempt at creating a LISP machine-style working environment for linux
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GalaxyNova >
Hey any of you play TPT?
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schillingklaus >
I only play textual and unaccelerated 2d games
07:10
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GalaxyNova >
it's a cool game
07:10
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GalaxyNova >
OSS too
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schillingklaus >
dilyn vs dylan
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dy1an >
Fun fact: dilyn is Irish whereas dylan is Welsh
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dy1an >
The names I mean
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technoznc >
dy1an: seems like the package manager wants to downgrade some packages, switch from kisslinux-community to kisslinux
10:25
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technoznc >
switching*
10:25
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schillingklaus >
why is that a downgrade?
10:26
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technoznc >
I guess because some packages arent updated yet in kisslinux
10:26
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technoznc >
not sure tho dy1an probably knows better
10:26
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dy1an >
They should all be up-to-date
10:26
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dy1an >
Which packages?
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dy1an >
There are some false positives I /am/ aware of.
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konimex >
baselayout? but that's only because of some url changes (maybe) on kiss-community's end
10:30
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dy1an >
This is what kiss-outdated spits out
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testuser[m] >
5.10 is the new lts
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dy1an >
Is there any reason to bump the headers to 5.10 though?
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dy1an >
ie, any new features that the headers expose?
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konimex >
technoznc: most of those are rel differences rather than actual different version
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testuser[m] >
dont think so ,just remember it mentioned somewhere that headers are bumped on every lts
10:32
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testuser[m] >
for kiss
10:32
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technoznc >
ah ok, just wanted to be sure before I switch, thanks guys!
10:32
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dy1an >
There are many LTS releases
10:32
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testuser[m] >
major
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dy1an >
Headers have been updated.
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konimex >
also dylan just a heads up you may want to fix your time since it seems you either use wrong timezone or even wrong time altogether
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dy1an >
Will do. It's showing like that on GitHub?
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konimex >
aye, shows "committed in 3 hours" in one of your latest commits
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dy1an >
Should be good now (from next commit)
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testuser[m] >
looks like you missed this one
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kayw >
good morning everyone
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testuser[m] >
hi kay
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kayw >
i'm still working on getting my kernel to compile but lets hope that it doesn't fail in the same way it did last night
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msk_1411[m] >
did you get gmp or whatever it was to build?
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testuser[m] >
Can you show the full log agian
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kayw >
msk_1411[m]: yeah i got all the deps for building it
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kayw >
i'm trying to fully rebuild it right now to see if it was a one-off error of some sort
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msk_1411[m] >
Is the sed patch also applied? I was getting similar errors with the ``expected '=', ',', ';',`` and everything before I added the header
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kayw >
the header is there, i triple checked
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testuser[m] >
What kernel version
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acheam >
I find it kind of funny that Wikipedia clearly makes the distinction that
13:21
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acheam >
'The Joe of JOE is not the same Joe as the Joe of JWM. "
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testuser[m] >
I guess you could try adding #include <linux/stddef.h> to those 3 files that are erroring out, the single sed should've worked
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kayw >
it's compiling right now, but if the issue persists i'll try that
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kayw >
okay, so it failed again
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kayw >
wow, adding the headers seems to have worked
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kayw >
seems to be running a posttest right now
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testuser[m] >
you could probably add `-D__always_inline=__inline__` to KCFLAGS too, since the header just does `#define __always_inline __inline__`
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kayw >
it's been sitting at a posttest for quite a while now, is that normal?
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testuser[m] >
posttest ?
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kayw >
welp fuck nvm
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kayw >
speak of the devil, i look over and it's missing zstd
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kayw >
it fucking finished
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kayw >
nvm more errors on trying to install modules
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kayw >
i'm gonna stop working on this, maybe try it another day
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prendergast >
nope it worked
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testuser[m] >
Idk man i didn't see anything
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dilyn >
claudia: KISS_COMPRESS should be zst, not zstd
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prendergast >
do KISS support XDG mime / opeen?
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claudia >
dilyn: How could you know that I have tried out zstd. But I already set KISS_COMPRESS=zst :v
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schillingklaus >
eeeeew zstd
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claudia >
zstd makes me flex that my kernel size shrinked ~20%
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claudia >
when this matters at all.
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claudia >
But my boot time did not decrease, which was what I was aiming for.
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prendergast >
whats your kernel size?
17:12
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prendergast >
mine is 12.5 MB :3
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prendergast >
thank you my lad
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claudia >
I was around 10mb with I think gzip. Now its 8.
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testuser[m] >
claudia: dilyn was replying to my message i think, lol
17:16
* claudia
just took the oportunity to flex.
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schillingklaus >
I avoid zstd
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testuser[m] >
Avoid it then
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dilyn >
and yes, I was indeed testuser :v memory slipped
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testuser[m] >
Is it too big of a hack to use `-isystem ./dirwithheaders` to silence warnings from third-party header files ?
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msk_1411[m] >
I just wrote a shellscript using ``file -i`` with a case statement instead of xdg-open
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prendergast >
Thank you msk i saw it implemented in shfm and fff too
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msk_1411[m] >
oh, I see, they give an example script
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midfavila >
any of you guys have experience with 3D printers?
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prendergast >
Yeah I 3D printed my 3D printer
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midfavila >
Oh, a RepRap?
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acheam >
prendergast: I have xdg-open packaged
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GalaxyNova >
acheam: It's freedesktop software ewww
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acheam >
so is.... half the stuff on your computer
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GalaxyNova >
fair point
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GalaxyNova >
had no idea X.org was freedesktop
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midfavila >
it's maintained by them, yes
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midfavila >
but if we're talking about who started it, it was the XFree86 project
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Guest488 >
Did Dylan come back?
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Guest488 >
I just saw a news update on kisslinux.xyz
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midfavila >
but nobody seems sure if he's taking the reigns back
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GalaxyNova >
it's very confusing
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GalaxyNova >
right now kiss basically has two upstreams
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Guest488 >
Yes, I saw he has some github activity
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Guest488 >
So is it something Dilyn and Dylan have to work out?
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GalaxyNova >
indeed
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Guest488 >
I was thinking of installing, but not sure which to try
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GalaxyNova >
the kiss-community upstream is what i'd go with atm
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GalaxyNova >
because the community repository there is maintained
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Guest488 >
is that the one from k1sslinux.org?
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GalaxyNova >
you can always switch the upstream
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Guest488 >
ok, thanks
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GalaxyNova >
that might change in a few weeks when more things get figured out
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Guest488 >
i have been advised :-)
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Guest488 >
i appreciate knowing what at least someone recommends
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Guest488 >
a tie-breaker!
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GalaxyNova >
midfavila: what upstream do you use
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midfavila >
well, my desktop is currently based on kiss-community
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midfavila >
but I'm probably going to fork the rootfs soon
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GalaxyNova >
i use vannila kiss-community
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midfavila >
because spending five hours stripping out all the crap I don't like about the current image every time I set up a new machine is stupid and a waste of my time, quite frankly
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GalaxyNova >
I don't much crap
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GalaxyNova >
in the base image
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GalaxyNova >
it's mostly just busybox + kiss + baselayout + curl + git
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midfavila >
yes, and I dislike busybox and curl.
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midfavila >
largely git, as well, but there's nothing I can do about that.
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GalaxyNova >
kiss depends on curl
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midfavila >
not with my patch.
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midfavila >
i haven't used curl with kiss in months.
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dilyn >
you're going to see more work happening on `kiss` itself from Dylan; it's a lot of work for me to keep up with what he's doing
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GalaxyNova >
midfavila: git could also possibly be replaced with rsync
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dilyn >
I don't know what his plans are; I'm just as in the dark on this as everyone else :)
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midfavila >
if I was going to replace git, it would be with fossil
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midfavila >
anyway, you might have to tinker with the patch a bit. it seems to not apply with the latest git version of kiss
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GalaxyNova >
have you though of pull requesting the patch to upstream?
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midfavila >
sent dylan an email the other day.
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GalaxyNova >
s/though/thought
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GalaxyNova >
why not github pull request
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midfavila >
you should know by now.
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GalaxyNova >
you don't have to visit the website to do a pr
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GalaxyNova >
there's a cli utility
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GalaxyNova >
if you're into that
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midfavila >
I'm not willing to use Github beyond cloning respositories. Even that's done begrudgingly
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GalaxyNova >
also what are you replacing busybox with
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GalaxyNova >
toybox?
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midfavila >
u/s/9base, with libarchive and some standalone utilities.
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midfavila >
i don't do monolithing executables.
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midfavila >
monolithic*
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midfavila >
monolithing... what the fuck...
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soliwilos >
Dylan's kiss has KISS_DL to set the downloader, an experiment or some such the comment said.
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midfavila >
yes, that's from my patch
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midfavila >
has it been upstreamed?
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GalaxyNova >
oh amazing!
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midfavila >
it doesn't look like my patch
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midfavila >
not at all
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midfavila >
my patch provided support for curl, wget, axel and aria2
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GalaxyNova >
it still does the same thing though?
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midfavila >
it does not
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midfavila >
perhaps he's simply adjusting my patch
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midfavila >
either way, it's unimportant
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GalaxyNova >
958 lines oof
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GalaxyNova >
getting close to 1000 line limit
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midfavila >
only problem is that I haven't gotten any email back from Dylan, so no clue if he saw my patch...
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GalaxyNova >
either way it's nice to see KISS_DL being a thing
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midfavila >
...hm...
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midfavila >
not sure how to feel about this.
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GalaxyNova >
midafavila: Why
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dilyn >
it's exactly the simplest version of your patch
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dilyn >
just set KISS_DL to be whatever arguments axel needs
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Guest488 >
dilyn, would you suggest a new user wanting to evaluate kiss should start with the tarball from dylan?
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acheam >
nano Is dead to me now, JOE is much nicer
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acheam >
although more bloated
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GalaxyNova >
busybox vi
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dilyn >
they're basically equivalent tarballs guest488
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dilyn >
our upstreams are basically equivalent. the only real difference is in `kiss` itself
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GalaxyNova >
dilyn: Doesn't Dylan's tarball have his kiss version
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dilyn >
but that isn't hard to change :)
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acheam >
it'd be nice if Dylan let us know his plans lol. he was here when most of the regulars around here were sleeping so we couldn't ask
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GalaxyNova >
acheam: Yep i wasn't on... rip
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GalaxyNova >
I think he might live in a very different timezone
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acheam >
he lives in Greece
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Guest488 >
on the plus side, maybe he has a good sleep schedule
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acheam >
idk where that is relative to you
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acheam >
ooh busybox config allows you to disable cat -v
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acheam >
my system is officially 100% bloat free without that terrible un-unixy flag
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acheam >
that was the joke : )