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<acheam> midfavila: thanks for you repo btw
<acheam> like half my packages are from jt
<midfavila> Aww, you're welcome. I'm glad to know that it's useful for someone.
<midfavila> I need to go through and update them soon.
<midfavila> sotd suggestion, btw
<acheam> I'm not doing that anymore
<midfavila> Aw.
<midfavila> well, you guys'll just have to deal with me posting a bunch of semi-obscure music then.
<acheam> midfavila: how do I get fonts to work on motif/xaw?
<midfavila> you gotta use the X font descriptor
<acheam> I'm getting errors could not get font 8x13
<midfavila> i have xfontsel packaged
<midfavila> use that to find a compatible XFD string
<midfavila> also
<acheam> but 8x13 is in /usr/share/fonts/misc
<midfavila> you can pass 'fixed' to the font argument to use X11's built in font
<midfavila> oh
<midfavila> have you run fc-cache?
<acheam> yes
<midfavila> hmm
<midfavila> i wouldn't be entirely sure then
<acheam> hm thabns
<midfavila> you elcom
<midfavila> i'll look into it a bit though.
<midfavila> in the meantime, try using xfontsel.
<GalaxyNova> someone needs to fork audacity
<midfavila> or just
<midfavila> not use bloatware
<midfavila> use ffmpeg directly to play media.
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<acheam> wxwifgets lol
<GalaxyNova> audacity does more than just place audio
<midfavila> i don't actually care.
<GalaxyNova> it has a programming language built into it
<midfavila> disgusting.
<GalaxyNova> lol
<kayw> damn, kernel comp failed bc of something about BTF debug so, guess i'm starting anew
<midfavila> no like, for once I'm not joking
<midfavila> that's actually, unironically awful.
<GalaxyNova> it's for sound manipulation
<midfavila> use ffmpeg.
<GalaxyNova> it's called Nyquist
<GalaxyNova> it's a lisp
<midfavila> just because it's a based language doesn't mean it has any business in a media application.
<midfavila> provide common lisp *bindings*
<midfavila> not an entire environ within the program.
<acheam> midfavila: xfontsel is complaining about xpm missing
<GalaxyNova> says the guy that uses a lisp window manager xD
<midfavila> i don't use stumpwm
<GalaxyNova> oh?
<midfavila> acheam strange, install libXpm in the meantime
<midfavila> i'll update the depends file
<acheam> ah capital x that's why I couldn't find it
<midfavila> i've been using shod, Nova
<GalaxyNova> oh i heard of it
<GalaxyNova> isn't it just someone's experiment
<midfavila> yes
<midfavila> ...hmm...
<midfavila> strange
<midfavila> my build of xfontsel has no dependencies on xpm
<acheam> weird
<acheam> hmmm xfontsel finds the font
<midfavila> try passing the string xfontsel provides to your program
<acheam> xfontsel finds it with *-*-*-*-*
<acheam> so not sure why it wouldnt be found
<midfavila> uh
<midfavila> in that case it would just be using fixed, I think
<midfavila> which is built-in to X11
<acheam> yes it is using misc-fixef
<acheam> which is what my program is trying to find AFAICT
<midfavila> 8x13 is seperate
<acheam> oh
<midfavila> explicitly pass fixed
<acheam> well I have that installed too... will do
<acheam> yay it worked thanks mid
<midfavila> You're welcome, acheam.
<acheam> not sure why these two buttons are gifuckingnormus but at least it launches
<acheam> I'm building vile, if youre interestef
<midfavila> "Vile"?
<midfavila> Vi-like Emacs?
<acheam> pretty cool editor with motif and xaw and ncurses guis
<acheam> yes
<midfavila> Huh.
<midfavila> Never heard of it before.
<midfavila> I'll check it out.
<midfavila> ...can't say I'm a fan.
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<kayw> aaaaa why is compiling a kernel so damn difficult
<kayw> i got this close and then it just, errored out
<kayw> now it's something about byteorder
<kayw> https://0x0.st/-f_c.log if anyone has any idea on what to do please let me know because i'm at a loss
<midfavila> have you applied the suggested sed -i to the kernel
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<acheam> midfavila: why?
<midfavila> it's an emacs for vi users, not a vi for emacs users
<midfavila> if that makes sense
<acheam> kayw: yeah I think that is the same issue as everyone is having, check the news post about it
<acheam> yeah makes sense
<kayw> i did apply the sed patch
<midfavila> question
<midfavila> would you guys be interested in seeing KISS run on an old military backplane machine?
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<kayw> i think that'd be cool
<midfavila> i'm looking at building an older ISA system for tinkering with
<kayw> i remember seeing something about a distro made for older computers, can't remember the name or where i saw it
<midfavila> powerful enough to do useful work, but weak enough that I'd have to be somewhat clever
<midfavila> no ME, no overcomplicated ISA, just an 80486 or 80586
<midfavila> maybe 128mb of memory
<kayw> damn, yeah slap kiss on it
<kayw> it'd take a while to compile but it should work
<kayw> you could do distcc?
<midfavila> i wouldn't compile it on the machine, dear god
<midfavila> i'd cross-compile from my workstation and transfer it to the ISA machine over parallel
<midfavila> probably using zmodem
<kayw> yeah good idea
<midfavila> ...never mind... god, I fucking hate these "VINTAGE RARE L@@K!!!" people
<midfavila> "I know what I have, no low-ballers!" and it's some 486DX in a case that's falling apart
<midfavila> the chassis would be more expensive than the SBC and backplane combined
<kayw> yeah no thanks
<midfavila> i figured it would be like 200$ at most
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<acheam> y'all broke me, I'm slowly switching from emacs
<acheam> first steps: switching to nano and mutt
<noocsharp> nano1?!?!?
<acheam> after that: org mode and feed reader
<acheam> after that: my config files
<acheam> noocsharp: yes, nano has impressed me the most of any editor I have tried so far
<acheam> its surprisingly capable
<acheam> but I'm open to other reccomendations
<acheam> my criteria are: curses based or xaw/motif GUI, good editing shortcuts, syntax highlighting, and that's about it
<noocsharp> the last time i used nano was on an arch iso
<acheam> oh and it should be written in a sane language with a sane config language
<acheam> noocsharp: then you havent given it a good shot
<noocsharp> i need my vi
<acheam> what implementation do you use?
<noocsharp> vis
<acheam> I wouldn't call vis vi :)
<noocsharp> visam
<acheam> ?
<noocsharp> vi + sam
<acheam> ah yeah lol
<noocsharp> for feed reader i would recommend sfeed/sfeed_curses
<GalaxyNova> vim
<acheam> oh nice its by codemadness
<acheam> looks good thanks!
<midfavila> anyone here use hummingbird?
<acheam> midfavila: I dont think so
<midfavila> darn.
<acheam> man if there is one thing I miss from bash/zsh, its process substitution
<midfavila> even after getting a proper, working system on my laptop, hummingbird still loses its mind
<midfavila> also, what?
<acheam> the <() syntax
<midfavila> Oh.
<midfavila> hmm
<midfavila> yash might have it.
<acheam> I'll look into it
<midfavila> i have it packaged, fyi
<acheam> thx
<midfavila> it's a very comfy shell once you get it set up
<midfavila> not too big either
<illiliti> yash is awesome
* midfavila nods
<midfavila> alas, it has trouble with kiss
<illiliti> you can actually replace your /bin/sh with it
<midfavila> not entirely.
<midfavila> kiss breaks during installs.
<acheam> ooh I think it does have it
<midfavila> yash is like bash if it wasn't completely shit
<illiliti> yash is more like zsh but with more focus on proper /bin/sh
<illiliti> using zsh as /bin/sh is impossible
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<acheam> project idea: nano with lua bindings
<midfavila> i'd like to write my own editor at some point
<midfavila> i don't think it would be a PICO clone though
<midfavila> ...haha!
<midfavila> Laptop is fully-functional once more
<midfavila> albeit sans one bird,
<midfavila> but still
<acheam> bird?
<midfavila> hummingbird
<midfavila> i had to swap it for shinit
<midfavila> anyway
<acheam> ah
<midfavila> i've hit a new lot in terms of memory usage
<midfavila> 85mb with a window manager, display manager, compositor, task manager, system tray, and bar open
<midfavila> as well as a wireless daemon in the background
<midfavila> 15mb of that is the task manager, and another 22 is from the compositor
<midfavila> this is the power of spending a week tuning your distro
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<midfavila-laptop> huzzah
<testuser[m]> Hi
<midfavila-laptop> ih
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<testuser[m]> dilyn: is KISS_COMPRESS=zstd working for you ? Kiss seems to create archives that fail to extract with "short read"
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<midfavila> attempt at creating a LISP machine-style working environment for linux
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<GalaxyNova> Hey any of you play TPT?
<schillingklaus> I only play textual and unaccelerated 2d games
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> it's a cool game
<GalaxyNova> OSS too
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<dy1an> Hello :)
<riteo> hi!
<testuser[m]> hi
<schillingklaus> dilyn vs dylan
<dy1an> Fun fact: dilyn is Irish whereas dylan is Welsh
<dy1an> The names I mean
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<technoznc> dy1an: seems like the package manager wants to downgrade some packages, switch from kisslinux-community to kisslinux
<technoznc> switching*
<schillingklaus> why is that a downgrade?
<technoznc> I guess because some packages arent updated yet in kisslinux
<technoznc> not sure tho dy1an probably knows better
<dy1an> No
<dy1an> They should all be up-to-date
<dy1an> Which packages?
<dy1an> There are some false positives I /am/ aware of.
<konimex> baselayout? but that's only because of some url changes (maybe) on kiss-community's end
<dy1an> This is what kiss-outdated spits out
<testuser[m]> 5.10 is the new lts
<dy1an> Is there any reason to bump the headers to 5.10 though?
<dy1an> ie, any new features that the headers expose?
<konimex> technoznc: most of those are rel differences rather than actual different version
<testuser[m]> dont think so ,just remember it mentioned somewhere that headers are bumped on every lts
<testuser[m]> for kiss
<technoznc> ah ok, just wanted to be sure before I switch, thanks guys!
<dy1an> There are many LTS releases
<testuser[m]> major
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<dy1an> Headers have been updated.
<konimex> also dylan just a heads up you may want to fix your time since it seems you either use wrong timezone or even wrong time altogether
<dy1an> Will do. It's showing like that on GitHub?
<konimex> aye, shows "committed in 3 hours" in one of your latest commits
<dy1an> Should be good now (from next commit)
<testuser[m]> looks like you missed this one
<dy1an> Fixed
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<kayw> good morning everyone
<testuser[m]> hi kay
<testuser[m]> Kayw
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<kayw> i'm still working on getting my kernel to compile but lets hope that it doesn't fail in the same way it did last night
<msk_1411[m]> did you get gmp or whatever it was to build?
<testuser[m]> Can you show the full log agian
<kayw> yea, sure
<kayw> msk_1411[m]: yeah i got all the deps for building it
<kayw> testuser[m]: https://0x0.st/-f_c.log
<kayw> i'm trying to fully rebuild it right now to see if it was a one-off error of some sort
<msk_1411[m]> Is the sed patch also applied? I was getting similar errors with the ``expected '=', ',', ';',`` and everything before I added the header
<kayw> yes
<kayw> the header is there, i triple checked
<testuser[m]> What kernel version
<kayw> 5.12.13
<acheam> I find it kind of funny that Wikipedia clearly makes the distinction that
<acheam> 'The Joe of JOE is not the same Joe as the Joe of JWM. "
<testuser[m]> I guess you could try adding #include <linux/stddef.h> to those 3 files that are erroring out, the single sed should've worked
<kayw> it's compiling right now, but if the issue persists i'll try that
<kayw> okay, so it failed again
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<kayw> wow, adding the headers seems to have worked
<kayw> seems to be running a posttest right now
<testuser[m]> you could probably add `-D__always_inline=__inline__` to KCFLAGS too, since the header just does `#define __always_inline __inline__`
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<kayw> it's been sitting at a posttest for quite a while now, is that normal?
<testuser[m]> posttest ?
<testuser[m]> show
<kayw> welp fuck nvm
<kayw> speak of the devil, i look over and it's missing zstd
<kayw> it fucking finished
<kayw> nvm more errors on trying to install modules
<kayw> i'm gonna stop working on this, maybe try it another day
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<prendergast> test
<Guest35> test
<testuser[m]> Fail
<prendergast> nope it worked
<testuser[m]> Idk man i didn't see anything
<prendergast> dang
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<dilyn> claudia: KISS_COMPRESS should be zst, not zstd
<testuser[m]> Oh
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<prendergast> do KISS support XDG mime / opeen?
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<claudia> dilyn: How could you know that I have tried out zstd. But I already set KISS_COMPRESS=zst :v
<schillingklaus> eeeeew zstd
<claudia> zstd makes me flex that my kernel size shrinked ~20%
<claudia> when this matters at all.
<claudia> But my boot time did not decrease, which was what I was aiming for.
<prendergast> whats your kernel size?
<prendergast> mine is 12.5 MB :3
<claudia> prendergast: you can use this as xdg_open https://github.com/dylanaraps/shfm/blob/master/README#L103
<prendergast> thank you my lad
<claudia> I was around 10mb with I think gzip. Now its 8.
<testuser[m]> claudia: dilyn was replying to my message i think, lol
* claudia just took the oportunity to flex.
<schillingklaus> I avoid zstd
<testuser[m]> Avoid it then
<dilyn> ^
<dilyn> and yes, I was indeed testuser :v memory slipped
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<testuser[m]> Is it too big of a hack to use `-isystem ./dirwithheaders` to silence warnings from third-party header files ?
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<msk_1411[m]> I just wrote a shellscript using ``file -i`` with a case statement instead of xdg-open
<prendergast> Thank you msk i saw it implemented in shfm and fff too
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<msk_1411[m]> oh, I see, they give an example script
<midfavila> hrm.
<midfavila> any of you guys have experience with 3D printers?
<prendergast> Yeah I 3D printed my 3D printer
<midfavila> Oh, a RepRap?
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<acheam> prendergast: I have xdg-open packaged
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<GalaxyNova> acheam: It's freedesktop software ewww
<acheam> so is.... half the stuff on your computer
<GalaxyNova> fair point
<GalaxyNova> had no idea X.org was freedesktop
<midfavila> it's maintained by them, yes
<midfavila> but if we're talking about who started it, it was the XFree86 project
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<Guest488> Did Dylan come back?
<Guest488> I just saw a news update on kisslinux.xyz
<midfavila> yes
<midfavila> but nobody seems sure if he's taking the reigns back
<GalaxyNova> it's very confusing
<GalaxyNova> right now kiss basically has two upstreams
<Guest488> Yes, I saw he has some github activity
<Guest488> So is it something Dilyn and Dylan have to work out?
<GalaxyNova> indeed
<Guest488> I was thinking of installing, but not sure which to try
<GalaxyNova> the kiss-community upstream is what i'd go with atm
<GalaxyNova> because the community repository there is maintained
<Guest488> is that the one from k1sslinux.org?
<GalaxyNova> you can always switch the upstream
<GalaxyNova> yes
<Guest488> ok, thanks
<GalaxyNova> that might change in a few weeks when more things get figured out
<Guest488> i have been advised :-)
<Guest488> i appreciate knowing what at least someone recommends
<Guest488> a tie-breaker!
<GalaxyNova> midfavila: what upstream do you use
<midfavila> well, my desktop is currently based on kiss-community
<midfavila> but I'm probably going to fork the rootfs soon
<GalaxyNova> why
<GalaxyNova> i use vannila kiss-community
<midfavila> because spending five hours stripping out all the crap I don't like about the current image every time I set up a new machine is stupid and a waste of my time, quite frankly
<GalaxyNova> I don't much crap
<GalaxyNova> in the base image
<GalaxyNova> it's mostly just busybox + kiss + baselayout + curl + git
<midfavila> yes, and I dislike busybox and curl.
<midfavila> largely git, as well, but there's nothing I can do about that.
<GalaxyNova> kiss depends on curl
<midfavila> not with my patch.
<GalaxyNova> ooh
<midfavila> i haven't used curl with kiss in months.
<GalaxyNova> link?
<dilyn> you're going to see more work happening on `kiss` itself from Dylan; it's a lot of work for me to keep up with what he's doing
<GalaxyNova> midfavila: git could also possibly be replaced with rsync
<dilyn> I don't know what his plans are; I'm just as in the dark on this as everyone else :)
<midfavila> if I was going to replace git, it would be with fossil
<midfavila> anyway, you might have to tinker with the patch a bit. it seems to not apply with the latest git version of kiss
<GalaxyNova> have you though of pull requesting the patch to upstream?
<midfavila> sent dylan an email the other day.
<GalaxyNova> s/though/thought
<GalaxyNova> why not github pull request
<midfavila> you should know by now.
<GalaxyNova> you don't have to visit the website to do a pr
<GalaxyNova> there's a cli utility
<GalaxyNova> if you're into that
* midfavila sighs
<midfavila> I'm not willing to use Github beyond cloning respositories. Even that's done begrudgingly
<GalaxyNova> also what are you replacing busybox with
<GalaxyNova> toybox?
<midfavila> u/s/9base, with libarchive and some standalone utilities.
<midfavila> i don't do monolithing executables.
<midfavila> monolithic*
<midfavila> monolithing... what the fuck...
<soliwilos> Dylan's kiss has KISS_DL to set the downloader, an experiment or some such the comment said.
<midfavila> yes, that's from my patch
<midfavila> has it been upstreamed?
<soliwilos> Yes.
<GalaxyNova> oh amazing!
<midfavila> hmm
<midfavila> no
<midfavila> it doesn't look like my patch
<midfavila> not at all
<midfavila> my patch provided support for curl, wget, axel and aria2
<GalaxyNova> it still does the same thing though?
<midfavila> it does not
<midfavila> perhaps he's simply adjusting my patch
<midfavila> either way, it's unimportant
<GalaxyNova> 958 lines oof
<GalaxyNova> getting close to 1000 line limit
<midfavila> only problem is that I haven't gotten any email back from Dylan, so no clue if he saw my patch...
<GalaxyNova> either way it's nice to see KISS_DL being a thing
<midfavila> ...hm...
<midfavila> not sure how to feel about this.
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> midafavila: Why
<dilyn> it's exactly the simplest version of your patch
<dilyn> just set KISS_DL to be whatever arguments axel needs
<Guest488> dilyn, would you suggest a new user wanting to evaluate kiss should start with the tarball from dylan?
<acheam> nano Is dead to me now, JOE is much nicer
<acheam> although more bloated
<GalaxyNova> busybox vi
<dilyn> they're basically equivalent tarballs guest488
<dilyn> our upstreams are basically equivalent. the only real difference is in `kiss` itself
<GalaxyNova> dilyn: Doesn't Dylan's tarball have his kiss version
<dilyn> yes
<dilyn> but that isn't hard to change :)
<acheam> it'd be nice if Dylan let us know his plans lol. he was here when most of the regulars around here were sleeping so we couldn't ask
<GalaxyNova> acheam: Yep i wasn't on... rip
<GalaxyNova> I think he might live in a very different timezone
<acheam> he lives in Greece
<Guest488> on the plus side, maybe he has a good sleep schedule
<acheam> idk where that is relative to you
<acheam> ooh busybox config allows you to disable cat -v
<acheam> my system is officially 100% bloat free without that terrible un-unixy flag
<GalaxyNova> acheam: http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/ :D
<acheam> that was the joke : )