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<paulapatience> Shinmera: It is perfectly harmless, but I assume the asterisk is de trop here: https://github.com/Shirakumo/trial/blob/b5e95f859e82faac2db4eb6eba5be26dd1ec80c9/asset.lisp#L48
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<Bubblegumdrop> paulapatience I'm not certain but I think that's an idiom, like LIST and LIST*
<Bubblegumdrop> clhs list*
<ixelp> CLHS: Function LIST, LIST*
<Bubblegumdrop> In this case it does appear to be a typo, though
<Bubblegumdrop> Further down
<paulapatience> Indeed, I checked that
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<ixelp> How Lisp is designing Nanotechnology (with Prof. Christian Schafmeister) - YouTube
<holycow> that video points to a direction in which lisp programmers might look to find full time positions
<holycow> it could get interesting, nano tech is coming soon and it will merge with the the LLM stuff happening now
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<Bubblegumdrop> It's Cando? https://github.com/cando-developers/cando
<ixelp> GitHub - cando-developers/cando: Cando chemistry language
<Bubblegumdrop> It seems to be associated with Clasp as well
<Bubblegumdrop> interesting, clasp uses llvm to interop with C++ code
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<Bubblegumdrop> thanks for the linkn holycow
<holycow> no probs at all
<holycow> just ran into it my self
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<holycow> this is obviously the next big thing for the next 20 years imho
<holycow> <-- not associated with this in any way, just adding my opinion here
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<Bubblegumdrop> Clasp appears to be its own implementation of lisp?
<Bubblegumdrop> Clasp is an implementation of Common Lisp primarily designed for compatibility with C++-language programs and libraries.
<Bubblegumdrop> interesting.
<Bubblegumdrop> Oh, theyre in #clasp
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<Bubblegumdrop> oh, drmeister_ appears to be here.
<Bubblegumdrop> very cool.
<holycow> oh!
<holycow> is that who it is?
<Bubblegumdrop> indeed.
<holycow> haha!
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<Bubblegumdrop> This is probably the coolest chat I've ever been on. Y'all are brilliant.
<drmeister_> Hello
<holycow> hi!
<holycow> drmeister_: enjoying watching that video on many levels
<holycow> especially watching you desribe the beginning of a new industry
<drmeister_> Thank you.
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<drmeister_> I don't have much to say at the moment. I'm working on a proposal.
<holycow> no probs. if you are open for questions i may have some over the next few weeks
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<Bubblegumdrop> Hah, watching this video is a kick. You went from Smalltalk to lisp. I'm doing the opposite! This is so cool. Thanks for all your hard work drmeister_.
<drmeister_> Sure.
<drmeister_> We have a new website going live in a week or so.
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<holycow> schafmesitergroup.com?
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<drmeister_> No, my company.
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<holycow> link?
<Bubblegumdrop> oh, #ecl is on here too, sweet
<drmeister_> Not yet. It's password protected for the time being.
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<holycow> no probs. i don't know what the rules are here but maybe announce it here and on reddit?
<bjorkintosh> ... and the orange site. Tradition.
<drmeister_> It will be here... https://thirdlawtx.com/
<ixelp> ThirdLaw Molecular – Spiroligomer therapeutics
<drmeister_> "orange site"?
<holycow> lol @ ornage site. i started to see people call it that recently
<holycow> hacker news
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<holycow> aha! bookmarked the url drmeister_ thx.
<drmeister_> These aren't quite the best audience for our tech.
<hayley> drmeister_: Did you outgrow thirdlaw.tech?
<bjorkintosh> they'll find it highly entertaining though :-)
<hayley> Bubblegumdrop: To misquote Steele, I am now trying to take Lisp programmers halfway to Newspeak.
<Bubblegumdrop> Lisptalk?
<Bubblegumdrop> My parents sent me to speech therapy because I talked with a lisp :P
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<bjorkintosh> why didn't they give you ()s instead?
<Bubblegumdrop> they were BASIC.
<bjorkintosh> Parens! they mean well.
<hayley> Bubblegumdrop: Gilad Bracha in turn took Smalltalk programmers halfway to BETA and E.
<Bubblegumdrop> hm, where do I know that name from
<Bubblegumdrop> oh, literally.
<Bubblegumdrop> Totally off topic for this channel. I've been studying Smalltalk. Currently looking at GT and Pharo.
<hayley> Smalltalk comes up frequently enough in #lispcafe, much to the dismay of gilberth.
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<beach> Why is that a problem for him?
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<hayley> He doesn't like Smalltalk very much.
<beach> I see.
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<aeth> you'd think that smalltalk would make sense in a café
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<ixelp> Small Talk - Hello Amsterdam
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<Shinmera> paulapatience: you are correct
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<dnhester`> hello, good afternoon
<dnhester`> I'm using a ,(loop for item in (list 1 2 3 4) with a = (+ 23 item) do (format T "~%~A" a)) and failing, how can I make the with initialization be after the item has been initialized?
<ixelp> (loop for item in (list 1 2 3 4) with a = (+ 23 item) do (format T "~%~A" a)) ERROR: The value NIL is not of the expected type NUMBER.
<Shinmera> you can't.
<dnhester`> so how should I do that? just wrap the loop in a let, or do (do (setf))?
<beach> dnhester`: Do you mean for a = ... instead?
<Shinmera> (loop with a = (+ 23 (first list)) for item in list ...) ?
<dnhester`> oh btw Shinmera what is CAS? https://github.com/Shinmera/luckless
<ixelp> GitHub - Shinmera/luckless: Lockless data structures for Common Lisp
<beach> dnhester`: do you want A to be initialized once or each time in the loop?
<mfiano> With format control strings, it is not possible to access the car and cdr of a cons cell, correct? I am only seeing/remembering ~{ for iterating over a chain of cars. I would actually like to iterate over a chain of conses (an alist) and manipulate the printing of each cons. Should I just do things manually by writing to the stream in my own control flow?
<Shinmera> dnhester`: google it
<dnhester`> I want to have a be updated as the loop runs to the proper value so that I can use it
<beach> dnhester`: So use FOR and not WITH.
<dnhester`> ah compare and swap, didn't search right before...
<beach> ,(loop for item in (list 1 2 3 4) for a = (+ 23 item) do (format T "~%~A" a))
<ixelp> (loop for item in (list 1 2 3 4) for a = (+ 23 item) do (format T "~%~A" a)) ↩ 24 ↩ 25 ↩ 26 ↩ 27 => NIL
<dnhester`> beach thanks will look it up in the spec, for
<ixelp> 6.1 The LOOP Facility | Common Lisp (New) Language Reference
<dnhester`> beach: Shinmera thanks
<beach> clhs 6.1.2.1.4
<specbot> The for-as-equals-then subclause: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/06_abad.htm
<ixelp> CLHS: Section 6.1.2.1.4
<dnhester`> is that what it means when it says loop construct?
<dnhester`> thanks
<dnhester`> it says for or as multiple times, but every example I've seen is for. can we just replace the word "for" for the word "as" and get the same result?
<beach> I think so, yes.
<dnhester`> I assume no one ever does that though, right? just because there are not many examples and I've never seen it
<dnhester`> beach: thanks for the help
<beach> I have not seen it, perhaps ever.
<beach> Sure.
<beach> WITH is executed only once at the beginning before the iterations. FOR is executed in each iteration.
<dnhester`> beach: thanks for clarifying that distinction
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<beach> Pleasure.
* beach takes a break.
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<yoinder> Well underway with *grind-tables*. Take any old database and make edit'able via the web (hunchentoot)
<yoinder> Needs to be a postgresql database
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<younder> CRUD without the cruft.
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<younder> We'll do the hype once it's finished..
<younder> At the the moment is mostly at a SOB! WTF! ??! moment
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<younder> Still the curses dropped off once I go them forms working
* younder treats any programming session as going into combat
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<younder> With no guaranteed ID you are forced to send the whole row ARG!
<younder> That is all rows. Via a web session.. Well look for a better way later.
<younder> Within LIMITS..
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<jack_rabbit> Anyone know off the top of their head how to pass a char array pointer to C with cffi?
<jack_rabbit> char *const argv[] is the parameter, to be clear.
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<yitzi> Look for foreign-string in the manual. There are various options.
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<jack_rabbit> yitzi, thanks
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<dnhester`> beach: just catching up with the messages. The lem folks hang out at discord, there's even a discord server dedicated to lem with multiple channels, one for the english speakers, and another one for the japenese, and it is quite active
<dnhester`> not everyone is japenese
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<Bubblegumdrop> where'd he go
<Bubblegumdrop> I just had this problem
<Bubblegumdrop> well, when he comes back I have a solution
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