#commonlisp on 2023-08-03 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:00 <nij-> Hello folks :) How do you review your lisp code change? The default diff algorithm used by git is not s-expr aware. Prefixing an operator to a bunch of line introduces many lines of change (unnecessary!)..

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02:54 <Demosthenex> nij-: great question, i'd love to know

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02:58 <char[m]> nij-: You can review it just like any other language. Git is not aware of any programing language construct. For example, if you wrap some code in a loop in C language, the code inside will get indented even if it didn't change. Some git diff viewers (Emacs), will show individual character changes and can ignore whitespace changes which might make it a bit better.

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03:05 <Demosthenex> https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/sexpressiondiff/ quick search

03:05 <ixelp> FOSDEM 2021 - Semantically meaningful S-expression diff

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03:24 <char[m]> Demosthenex: Very cool. I can't seem to find a repository. It is especially difficult since there is already a different unix tool called sdiff.

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05:34 <mfiano> There are some CLI tools that are somewhat sexp-aware: https://img.mfiano.net/VrRFwA.png

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05:38 <mfiano> I think this is pretty good, and what I have come to expect for a while. (I had to search this channel log from over a year ago when I took this screenshot).

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07:49 <jcowan> char[m]: However, the code must be textual; nobody has specialized diff-ers for images

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12:19 <semz> nij-: Fwiw many diffs already have an "ignore whitespace" option which gets rid of the most egregious noise. This might be useful as a bandaid.

12:19 <semz> e.g. git diff has the -b switch

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12:19 <semz> oh, this was already mentioned, sorry. turns out I was the egregious noise all along.

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12:29 <nij-> Thanks for mentioning that again! This is very helpful :)

12:29 <nij-> I wonder if we can make this default on github, gitlab, and bitbucket.

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12:33 <semz> I think Github already tries to highlight non-whitespace changes to make them stand out more.

12:34 <semz> Ignoring whitespace by default is tricky because it might be relevant in languages like Python.

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12:35 <Gleefre> Is it ok for implementation to read #.(values) as NIL ?

12:35 <Gleefre> Seems to be a bug (ECL / CLISP do that currently)

12:37 <semz> clhs 2.4.8.6

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12:37 <semz> Reading this I'd actually expect it to be NIL

12:38 <Gleefre> What about clhs 2.2 step 4?

12:38 <semz> Oh, is the specbot dead? http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhf.htm

12:38 <ixelp> CLHS: Section 2.4.8.6

12:38 <Gleefre> > If one value is returned, then that value is returned as the result of the read operation; the algorithm is done. If zero values are returned, then step 1 is re-entered

12:39 <semz> Ah, good point.

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12:49 <bike> 2.4.8.6 is nonspecific, but it can be taken to mean that the compiler macro returns the primary value of the form

12:49 <bike> since after all #.(values 1 2 3) is just 1 instead of some weird reader error

12:49 <bike> (probably)

12:49 <bike> that the reader macro returns*

12:57 <Gleefre> Well, CCL throws a weird error on #.(values 1 2 3) :/

12:58 <mfiano> Gleefre: I would think that is a bug after reading, but I'm not sure. Does (read-from-string "#.(VALUES)") signal END-OF-FILE, and does (read-from-string "#.(VALUES)42") work?

12:59 <mfiano> read signals an error of type end-of-file, regardless of eof-error-p, if the file ends in the middle of an object representation.

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12:59 <mfiano> As per the entry for READ. #. is an object representation.

12:59 <mfiano> It never consumed anything, and it has nothing else, so it should error, no?

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13:00 <bike> Gleefre: i got nothing, then.

13:05 <Gleefre> So... (read-from-string "#.(values)") Errors on: sbcl, cmucl, ccl, acl, clasp, abcl, lispworks ;; Returns nil: ecl, clisp

13:06 <Gleefre> (read-from-string "#.(values)42") returns 42 on: sbcl, cmucl, ccl, acl, clasp, abcl, lispworks;; rturns nil on: ecl, clisp

13:06 <mfiano> Umm

13:06 <mfiano> "If a file ends in a symbol or a number immediately followed by an end of file[1], read reads the symbol or number successfully"

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13:06 <mfiano> Sounds like multiple bugs

13:08 <Gleefre> bike: I mean, that probably is a bug in CCL :/

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22:28 <viaken> With tree-sitter starting to catch on, I'm hoping someone will make a VCS (or git plugin) that's syntax-aware.

22:30 <jcowan> Do you need to set an optimize level to make sbcl emit compile-time warnings about manifest or inferred type conflicts like (car 1)?

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23:08 <bike> jcowan: i think it'll do that one in basically any setting

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