<Wizzup>
but that I'll fix as well hopefully next week
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: when my iPhone dies, I will get a cheap, used, oldish Android phone that is supported by LineageOS and use it as dumb(ish) phone
<missMyN900>
the LTE dumb phones either suck or are actually custom low-end Android phones in which Google still has their tentacles
<missMyN900>
and anything without LTE is no longer an option here in the US, unfortunately
<missMyN900>
I liked the old days when I had one device that I liked and trusted and used for all sorts of things but I have come to realize that those are not coming back
<norayr>
i built it! i built lagrange. let's see how it works from repos.
<norayr>
unfortunately both on desktop and mobile it doesn't allow you to choose from all fonts recognized by system.
<norayr>
whatever that means.
<norayr>
one needs to paste the font to that screen to add it.
<norayr>
i can do that with keyboard.
<norayr>
but need to connect bt kbd first.
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<Wizzup>
rafael2k_: let me know if I can help
<Wizzup>
missMyN900: we/you can look at using android kernel + some userspace as a base with m-l on top like sailfish does, it's just not somethting we strive towards, we want mainline-only
<Wizzup>
norayr: looks nice @ screenshots
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<sicelo>
norayr: re:irc - you may want to get znc/bouncer
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<missMyN900>
I have been looking for some Debian/Devuan applications that work well on ML/PP again
<missMyN900>
I realized that Mopidy+Mopidy-Mobile or Mopidy-Iris could work reasonably well as a music player
<missMyN900>
vlc with some certain skins too perhaps, so I am looking into those
<missMyN900>
I was interested in trying out sayonara too but apparently it is only available in Bullseye/Chimaera
<missMyN900>
I am really looking forward to the ML upgrade to Chimaera; then I can finally try netsurf-gtk (3.10) on ML!
<missMyN900>
uvos: yes, the backlight is definitely on when the black screen bug occurs. That is what I was trying to convey
<missMyN900>
hmm don't think VLC is using hw accel... Otherwise this MP4 video would not be straining the PP this much
<missMyN900>
pavucontrol seems to work a lot better now (GTK version) for some reason, then it did last time I tried
<missMyN900>
status menu volume applet is useless though
<missMyN900>
it is completely disconnected from the actual volume
<missMyN900>
(on the PP with current settings, that is)
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<missMyN900>
smplayer seems to be more efficient but audio was out of sync and now the audio is completely gone...
<missMyN900>
very unfortunate as it works quite nicely on the PP overall
<Wizzup>
missMyN900: if you find ones that work well, please make a list
<Wizzup>
also of things that don't work too well :)
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: yes, I was thinking of doing that
<Wizzup>
that would be great :)
<norayr>
missMyN900: i might package netsurf for current version of ml.
<missMyN900>
norayr: I don't think it is worth the effort if Chimaera will bring it in anyway
<norayr>
i don't know when ml will switch to the chimaera, but maybe you're right.
<norayr>
i was considering it anyway.
<norayr>
for now, someone please add maefat to phoenix.
<missMyN900>
in a few months from what I've read
<Wizzup>
ok, let me look at that now
<Wizzup>
norayr: is it written in C or similar?
<Wizzup>
norayr: maefat that is
<norayr>
c and gtk2
<Wizzup>
looks like it
<Wizzup>
ok
<norayr>
it is already hildonized.
<norayr>
i also need to package amazfish which supports different watches.
<norayr>
it would alse be cool to port that rock... something app, from ubuntu, which works with pebble watches.
<Wizzup>
I have no clue where to add it this in jenkins... fun
<norayr>
parazyd may know.
<missMyN900>
only smartwatch I would ever be interested in is the pebble watch
<missMyN900>
I remember looking into it when I had a Jolla and there was a SFOS app for it
<norayr>
rockpool, it is now as well.
<norayr>
just it works only with pebble classic watches, which aren't as cool as pebble 2, let's say, or pebble time.
<norayr>
pebble classic are pretty dumb, actually. i have one, i use it with sailfish on xperia.
<missMyN900>
Cortex M/RTOS watches are somewhat interesting to me
<norayr>
this rockpool app which is a port of rocksomething from ubuntu, cannot work with ble devices.
<Wizzup>
norayr: phone call
<missMyN900>
the Android and Tizen massively overpowered and power hungry watches are 0% interesting to me
<missMyN900>
especially if they come with Google spyware as if having a Google Android phone is not bad enough already...
<missMyN900>
I guess the PineTime also interests me a bit
<missMyN900>
I think it is Cortex M based too
<missMyN900>
they need to make a RISC-V powered PineTime 2.0 :D
<missMyN900>
I guess I should try mpv on the PP even though I don't really like it in general
<missMyN900>
at least smplayer can use mpv as well...
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: does Firefox on ML have any tweaks nowadays?
<missMyN900>
I was thinking that actually you could use FF as a video player too
<missMyN900>
no hw accel though of course
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: is openmediaplayer dead by the way?
<Wizzup>
I think there is a fremantle port of it with some changes, maybe
<Wizzup>
(still semi afk)
<missMyN900>
I am going to test feathernotes on ML as well since I use it on my Debian desktop
<missMyN900>
looking at the GUI it *should* work well
<missMyN900>
oh wait no hildon keyboard in Qt5 yet, right?
<missMyN900>
I guess I need to try some gstreamer-based player as well. Probably going to go with the XFCE one since there is no way I am dragging in all the GNOME (3/4) or KDE stuff with Totem or Dragon
<norayr>
missMyN900, i guess hildon kbd will work, if you type latin characters.
<norayr>
just there are two kbds.
<norayr>
one that appears when you tap in the input field, and one which appears
<norayr>
when you press a volume up button. (on pp it is volume up)
<norayr>
it works for me for non-latin characters as well, just i run setxkbmap in maemo terminal all the time
<missMyN900>
in which app is this?
<missMyN900>
is there a Qt5 virtual kb?
<missMyN900>
parole menus are unusable but if you click on the big play icon when no video is playing, then can you get the dialog to open a file
<missMyN900>
it is clearly not using hw accel but I think audio may be in sync (video is lagging to badly to know for sure)
<missMyN900>
I am really suspecting that there is connection between hw accel being utilized and audio being out of sync
<missMyN900>
obviously this is not really a ML issue, more of a linux-sunxi/Devuan issue
<missMyN900>
it is not really clear to me what accel API is being used and which one is currently preferred
<missMyN900>
I need to try mpv next
<missMyN900>
I hate to say it as I am not really an mpv fan
<missMyN900>
but it seems to be the best player so far
<missMyN900>
minimal lag if any
<missMyN900>
and audio seems to be (reasonably at least) in sync
<missMyN900>
I will try it with smplayer too
<missMyN900>
battery is dead...
<missMyN900>
to be fair I did strain it quite a bit today but it was dead in like 4 hours...
<missMyN900>
did install many applications and strain it with the video testing
<Wizzup>
21:56 < missMyN900> oh wait no hildon keyboard in Qt5 yet, right?
<Wizzup>
right not yet
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: sayonara is not yet available in Beowulf/Buster
<Wizzup>
we do plan to upgrade to chimeara
<missMyN900>
but it should be in Chimaera and I noticed it depends on something called qt6-virtual-keyboard
<missMyN900>
so maybe that could be useful for ML?
<Wizzup>
what we 'need' or want it to port a piece of qt code from qt4 to qt5 that interfaces with the him
<Wizzup>
hildon-input-method
<Wizzup>
I tried to do it in the summer of 2020 and I got stuck
<missMyN900>
is Qt5 that different?
<Wizzup>
yes
<Wizzup>
they redid a bunch of stuff unfortunately and it required some fixing
<Wizzup>
I don't remember the specifics now as it was a while ago
<missMyN900>
is there anyone else who has more experience with that type of thing?
<Wizzup>
yes, others could do it too, I could maybe too, given time, but it hasn't come up too much
<Wizzup>
there is a way to invoke the keyboard in any X11 app
<Wizzup>
I think it should be mapped to one of the buttons, uvos knows
<missMyN900>
yes, I am familiar with it
<Wizzup>
ok
<missMyN900>
I used it in FF
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* _uvos_
posts this on d4 currently 35h uptime on one battery
<Wizzup>
nice :)
<_uvos_>
its vol up
<_uvos_>
on pp
<missMyN900>
PP is very jealous and sad
<Wizzup>
did you change anything?
<_uvos_>
as allready stated
<_uvos_>
no
<Wizzup>
ok, sorry :)
<_uvos_>
its just having a tood day
<missMyN900>
_uvos_: yes, I used it the last time I was using ML (last year)
<_uvos_>
i have no idea why its 50mW sometimes
<_uvos_>
and 90 others
<_uvos_>
*150
<missMyN900>
just realized the pun of zzztop...
<missMyN900>
is it available already for ML?
<missMyN900>
I want to try it on the PP
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: I did some Qt4 dev a long time ago
<missMyN900>
wrote a very basic SFOS application and got it published in the Jolla Store. That was many, many moons ago
<missMyN900>
I wonder if it is still in there
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<missMyN900>
actually I created a desktop version of it too
<missMyN900>
it was all hosted on Bitbucket but they uncerimonously shut down their Hg repositories some time ago...
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: do you think it is worth sticking with HIM, actually? Perhaps it is better to just switch to some more modern Qt based solution?
<missMyN900>
I remember SFOS was(/is?) using Maliit
<Wizzup>
ultimately, probably, but at this point I am not sure if it makes sense to remove it now, better to support it in qt5, since that is the mai nthing lacking
<Wizzup>
gtk3 will be pretty easy
<missMyN900>
I mean, maybe not remove it for Hildonized/GTK2
<missMyN900>
but maybe it is better to create a new virtual kb for Qt
<missMyN900>
perhaps not the most beautiful solution but acceptable to me personally and it does not matter for the mapphones/N900 anyway
<missMyN900>
maybe ML can borrow the keyboard from Nemo?
<missMyN900>
SFOS keyboard is proprietary but the Glacier keyboard could be used
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<_uvos_>
mostly a off the shelf vkb like onboard should work
<_uvos_>
except that ewmh support in hildon is broken
<_uvos_>
badly
<missMyN900>
what's that?
<_uvos_>
so it renders in the wrong place
<_uvos_>
extended protocolls for x clients to tell x wms what to do
<_uvos_>
with the windows
<_uvos_>
and yeah i agree that him is probubly a dead end
<_uvos_>
unless someone wants to seriously refactor it
<missMyN900>
I discovered that months ago and reported it here
<missMyN900>
it is missing kf5-walletmanager
<missMyN900>
_uvos_: how many Plasma Mobile apps are there in the Devuan repo?
<_uvos_>
just 2 i think
<missMyN900>
I am going to try Nemo on the PP soon too
<missMyN900>
don't really like that they switched to Manjaro but it is probably a good idea to try a Manjaro based image again
<missMyN900>
and I like Glacier
<humpelstilzchen[>
missMyN900: (smartwatch) did you see the BangleJs? https://banglejs.com/. Can be freely programmed in javascript, a maemo bridge would be possible.
<missMyN900>
ah that is why Maep is not showing anything
<missMyN900>
it is trying to get my location
<missMyN900>
the GPS indicator is showing up in the status area
<missMyN900>
brings back the memories...
<missMyN900>
I wonder if it will actually get a fix with the PP
<humpelstilzchen[>
I prefer modrana over maep. Got a fix in the last test
<missMyN900>
humpelstilzchen: oo that intrigues me
<missMyN900>
IIRC Modrana did not work for me on the PP when I tried it last year
<missMyN900>
I remember it from the N900 though
<missMyN900>
not that I used it much
<missMyN900>
if only we could have Nokia Maps...
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<_uvos_>
fix schould work on all devices
<_uvos_>
fix schould work on all devices
<_uvos_>
but no agps so takes a very long time
<missMyN900>
I just really cannot fathom anyone wanting more than a Cortex M in a smartwatch...
<missMyN900>
What is the point?
<missMyN900>
Who would want terrible battery life with a watch?
<_uvos_>
on mapphones you can feed the modem agps info by hand
<_uvos_>
then it locks fast
<missMyN900>
yes, I know
<missMyN900>
but I am being patient :)
<missMyN900>
it is charging anyway
<_uvos_>
mayeb you can do that on pp too
<missMyN900>
network location is greyed out
<_uvos_>
its not implemented
<missMyN900>
it says supl.nokia.com, which I guess is dead
<humpelstilzchen[>
there is a PP script that loads agps data from the internet
<missMyN900>
I guess it talks to the modem?
<missMyN900>
so it should be distro agnostic?
<_uvos_>
you also need to enable high resolution time
<_uvos_>
on mapphones you must have chrony running
<_uvos_>
otherwise the kernel dosent provide high acuraccy clock if required for agps
<missMyN900>
don't think I will ever be getting a mapphone though unfortunately
<humpelstilzchen[>
missMyN900: also battery life on banglejs watch is ok, unless you enable gps...
<_uvos_>
ie ajdtime fails
<missMyN900>
can't really justify spending money on a smartwatch for the foreseeable future though
<missMyN900>
wait Maep still doesn't show anything even if I am completely zoomed out
<_uvos_>
for some reason in maep you can pan away from the entire world
<_uvos_>
as far as you want
<missMyN900>
it doesn't matter how far I zoom in or out or what map I select
<missMyN900>
wait it has crashed
<missMyN900>
location acquisition has stopped as well
<_uvos_>
might be 64 bit problem
<_uvos_>
it works fine on mapphone
<_uvos_>
maybe check with gdb if you have the time
<humpelstilzchen[>
I believe I had a problem with maep that it did not disable any map until I removed its folders from /home/user
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<Wizzup>
missMyN900: btw openmediaplayer is not dead, the port is just not finished
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<missMyN900>
ok that is good to hear
<missMyN900>
tried SciTE but it is not very useful
<missMyN900>
I thought it would be GTK2 based and therefore Hildonized
<Wizzup>
missMyN900: thanks for all the testing btw, please keep notes and make bug reports
* Wizzup
needs to go afk
<Wizzup>
travelling tomorrow to make the maemo association on Monday
<Wizzup>
:)
<missMyN900>
also triggering HIM seems to work with neither pluma nor scite with the current image
<missMyN900>
at least on PP
<missMyN900>
volume up does not do anything anymore
<missMyN900>
Wizzup: cool
<buZz>
i have icd2 on hellaverbose, and it seems that every time i boot, it needs to have ofono reproffision my simcard, while ofono normally stores that based on IMSI
<Wizzup>
I brought a pinephone and pinetab with me for coming week
<Wizzup>
do some debugging :)
<xmn>
Woot woot!
<missMyN900>
I am glad they will represented at the MA :D
<Wizzup>
MA?
<missMyN900>
Maemo Association :)
<xmn>
haha, never would have guess that one.
<missMyN900>
wow FoxtrotGPS is working nicely!
<missMyN900>
I was already familiar with it from the desktop
<missMyN900>
it is also available on OpenBSD
<missMyN900>
I wonder if it would be possible to get the GPS to work too
<missMyN900>
since the PP actually has a GPS module
<missMyN900>
I am going to get rid of Maep, honestly
<Wizzup>
maep was a proof of concept port :)
<Wizzup>
I like it though
<Wizzup>
it's snappy and low resource
* Wizzup
afk
<missMyN900>
black screen bug has not really been occurring anymore lately
<missMyN900>
not even after a fresh boot
<missMyN900>
I am really happy with ML currently (except for the fact that triggering HIM is broken on the PP now and power management)
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<missMyN900>
_uvos_: wait, no, it wasn't keepassxc, it was Falkon
<missMyN900>
Falkon is one of the best browsers on pmOS (at least when I tried it late last year) but it cannot be installed on ML
<missMyN900>
triggering HIM is completely broken
<missMyN900>
doesn't work in ScITE, pluma, FeatherNotes (Qt5), Chromium or Firefox anymore
<norayr>
i am enjoying lagrange on pp and maemo.
<missMyN900>
FeatherNotes looks like it could be great (if HIM works again, that is) on ML
<missMyN900>
lximage-qt is looking good with breeze-icon-theme installed (and selected in lximage-qt), but I have to test it with actual images
<missMyN900>
I need to do some more multimedia testing
<norayr>
yond this page: gemini://gemi.dev/apple-folklore/083.gmi
<missMyN900>
ML needs a redshift status area applet