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<acheam>
midfavila: nice
<acheam>
made anything nice with motif?
<midfavila>
i made okay progress on my XLess replacement, XMLeast
<midfavila>
but haven't touched programming in like a month at this point i think
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<Guest1>
testuser[m]: Hi
<Guest1>
How are you?
<testuser[m]>
Good
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<sad_plan>
hi
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<midfavila>
totally unrelated to KISS but are any of you interested in pens and stationary?
<midfavila>
also hi sad_plan
<sad_plan>
rtorrent link seems dead. seems upstream has changed their website. who maintaining it now? jedavis?
<testuser[m]>
What's interesting in pens and stationery
<testuser[m]>
It just werks
<acheam>
midfavila: send link
<acheam>
midfavila: a bit
<midfavila>
Well, different pens have different feels in the hand and when writing. Same with inks - paper, I haven't experimented with at all, but I'd like to try some nicer stuff in the future, testuser[m]
<midfavila>
...also a pen that can use bottled ink is much cheaper in the long run. that's a not-insignificant reason I've become interested in that stuff lately tbqh :v
<midfavila>
acheam: you use a fountain?
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<acheam>
no... I do like nice paper though
<acheam>
do you use a trackball by the way? Seems like it would fit your personality
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<midfavila>
Do you have any recommendations wrt: paper? I've just been using ye olde paper pads for a while and my pen tends to bleed through
<midfavila>
and yeah, I do. haven't used a mouse willingly in maybe three years
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<acheam>
whats your ball of choice?
<sad_plan>
midfavila: you got a ortho keyboard aswell? or even a split? I suppose that could fit you
<acheam>
nah I dont see mid using an ortho
<sad_plan>
why not?
<acheam>
he probably uses a model F or some other obscure old keyboard
<acheam>
this is my prediction
<sad_plan>
probably. Im not too familiar with tthe oldschool keyboards myself, but I occationally see some beeing mention in r/mk
<jedavies>
sad_plan: yeah looks like the URL has changed, will update. Have been using aria2 recently instead so didn't notice.
<sad_plan>
jedavies: nice!
<acheam>
midfavila: I use 3x5 ampads which I doubt would be too fountain pen friendly, and some moleskines (only because I got them for free)
<acheam>
ugh my backup is going at a whopping 527 KiB/s and I have a terabyte to go
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<sad_plan>
well thats almost fast if youre used to using tor all the time :')
<acheam>
lol yeah
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<midfavila>
right now I'm using an Itac Mouse-Trak and a Model M
<midfavila>
sorry for the late reply
<midfavila>
was rerunning a bunch of cables to my PC
<midfavila>
but yeah, it's a terminal variant with a Soarer's
<midfavila>
wish I had a 122 F
<midfavila>
moleskines are okay acheam
<midfavila>
i find them a little overpriced though
<acheam>
yeah
<acheam>
I wouldn't buy one with my own money
<acheam>
would rather get a rhodia or something
<midfavila>
Hmm. I've never heard of them
<midfavila>
I think my favorite so far has been a Manufactus, but they're hilariously expensive
<midfavila>
normally I only pick them up when they're on sale
<acheam>
They're a part of Clairefontaine
<acheam>
nice
<midfavila>
oh, I didn't know they were a subsisdiary. where'd you find that out?
<midfavila>
I thought you were referring to Manufactus.
<acheam>
oh
<midfavila>
Maybe I'll look for a Rhodia next time I'm out for supplies
<midfavila>
Running low on paper anyway
<midfavila>
yeah every time I go on their site I cringe
<midfavila>
an A4 refillable notebook is 150 euros
<acheam>
ouch
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<noocsharp>
just use a pencil :v
<noocsharp>
especially for doing math
<midfavila>
pencil would probably be a better idea, but I like using my pen
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<Guest1>
testuser[m]: Did you write matrix client because you couldn't find a good one?
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<testuser[m]>
Guest1: no, just for fun
<acheam>
are you using it right now?
<acheam>
or still on gomuks?
<testuser[m]>
It doesn't do much yet lol
<testuser[m]>
Just need to implement UI stuff
<testuser[m]>
Only have message view, and an input field
<testuser[m]>
Need room list etc
<midfavila>
is there any not-garbage matrix client?
<midfavila>
all of them seem half-implemented and barely-functional
<testuser[m]>
If u want features then u gotta give in to the js overlords
<testuser[m]>
Gomuks has most stuff including encryption
<midfavila>
>js
<testuser[m]>
js means element
<midfavila>
my desktop flat out can't run JS in any capacity
<midfavila>
:v
<testuser[m]>
Why
<testuser[m]>
How do u login
<midfavila>
i just don't use the web beyond plaintext sites any more so I don't really have a full-featured browser any more
<midfavila>
and how do I login to matrix, ooor..? if so, I have a client on my phone, but I don't use matrix
<acheam>
midfavila: does your uni not require any JS?
<acheam>
did you compile palememe without spidermonkey or something?
<testuser[m]>
What if u need some info that's not available in plaintext
<midfavila>
>thinks I go to an actual university
<midfavila>
but to reply seriously to that, I bullied the school into giving me a crappy netbook that I keep airgapped when not in use for class. on my desktop and laptop I use links for interactive HTTP and axel in scripts
<midfavila>
re: needing some info that's not available in plaintext, like what?
<acheam>
nice
<acheam>
does it run windoze?
<midfavila>
...oh, that reminds me, I need to work on my invidious client some more
<midfavila>
and no, it's... *shudders* a chromebook
<testuser[m]>
Like some sites are js walled and won't load if u don't have js
<testuser[m]>
Hmm but therest almost always other sources
<midfavila>
then those sites aren't worth visiting
<acheam>
whats your invidious client?
<midfavila>
it's just a crappy shell script that I wrote in a couple hours one day
<testuser[m]>
A shell skript
<midfavila>
invcli
<acheam>
oh right
<testuser[m]>
Check ytfzf
<acheam>
I rememeber now
<testuser[m]>
It uses invidious api
<acheam>
I never got into fzf... just didnt click with me
<testuser[m]>
u can change the menu thing
<testuser[m]>
to dmenu or whatever
<acheam>
oh nice
<midfavila>
meh
* acheam
just goes to the invious website
<acheam>
although I've been playing around with piped recently
<acheam>
piped.kavin.rocks
<testuser[m]>
but vro js
<acheam>
it has built in sponsorblock support which is nice
<midfavila>
i'm probably just going to rewrite invcli to accept URLs and dump out the raw stream
<acheam>
i mean, its all free js
<acheam>
I dont really care
<midfavila>
then I can hook it into plumber
<acheam>
Not worth my effort any more
<midfavila>
but acheam
<midfavila>
proprietary JS
<midfavila>
le BAD
<acheam>
i mean, I prefer not to
<testuser[m]>
Why is ewwtube frontpage so horrible
<testuser[m]>
I GOT MY BOYFRIEND THE BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT EVER!! HELLCAT REDEYE
<testuser[m]>
Bruh
<acheam>
lol
<acheam>
it depends on the instance
<testuser[m]>
Popular is fine on invidious
<midfavila>
puffyan's is usually tolerable
<testuser[m]>
Trending is crap
<midfavila>
albeit kind of reddit-y
<acheam>
better yet
<acheam>
ublock the front page
<midfavila>
best yet, uninstall all browsers and only use curl
<acheam>
eww is nice
<midfavila>
i like eww because you can add tags to it
<midfavila>
outside of that I still don't like emacs' kitchen sink approach
<testuser[m]>
eww what
<midfavila>
emacs web wowser
<acheam>
M-x eww
<testuser[m]>
Wasn't that some rust widget thing
<midfavila>
no
<acheam>
the emacs web wowser
<midfavila>
it's a browser written in elisp
<midfavila>
one sec lunch is beeping at me
<testuser[m]>
Does it use webshit
<acheam>
no its text based
<testuser[m]>
Rich
<midfavila>
you can embed webkit in emacs if you want though
<midfavila>
compiling racket on its own is enough of a pain without needing to use drracket
<acheam>
Yeah just stick to the most minimal install possible
<acheam>
You can just install the rest of the bundled stuff with raco anyways
<midfavila>
Mm
<midfavila>
Kinda wish that HtDP just used a regular Scheme.
<acheam>
awww I think hello == kisslinux
<midfavila>
well maxima disagrees apparently
<midfavila>
do you know if anyone's packaged regular old latex, acheam?
<acheam>
mmatongo was working on it
<midfavila>
aaah. I'll have to bug them about it some time
<acheam>
he doesnt use kiss anymore
<midfavila>
oh. rip
<acheam>
phoebos is your other resource
<acheam>
man its kind of crazy how SSDs have taken over the market
<acheam>
you'd be hard pressed to find a laptop or many desktops with HDDs still being sold as their primary drive
<midfavila>
that's debatably a bad thing
<acheam>
how so?
<midfavila>
considering how garbage consumer-grade SSDs are now, in terms of reliability
<midfavila>
new bad old good etc
<testuser[m]>
What reliability
<acheam>
I'd trust a cheap SSD over a cheap hard drive
<midfavila>
just don't buy cheap storage devices
* acheam
looks down at the 2 cheap SSDs on his desk
<midfavila>
besides you can get new old stock enterprise stuff for dirt cheap
<midfavila>
picked up a pair of 3TB hitachi hard drives for a hundred bucks a pop, brand new
<testuser[m]>
What do you need 3tb for
<testuser[m]>
6*
<midfavila>
in theory? virtual machines and stockpiling ISOs
<midfavila>
in practice? i have a bad habit of not cleaning my downloads folder
<midfavila>
in reality? a little bit of both
<acheam>
midfavila: I just bought a brand new toshiba X300 4tb for $100
<acheam>
was deciding between that or some old stock enterprise stuff
<acheam>
but I didn't really trust any of the sellers not to be selling a used drive with SMART wiped or something
<midfavila>
i don't think the average ebay seller knows what that is or how to do that
<acheam>
testuser[m]: in my case, we have 1tb of family photos, and I want room to grow. 2tb felt a bit small, and 3tb is a fairly uncommon size
<acheam>
the drive I'm replacing though (failing currently) is 3tb though
<acheam>
midfavila: i've heard enough stories of it happening not to want to risk it
<acheam>
anyways, I got a very good drive at a good price, so I'm not complaining
<acheam>
its from RainForest Corp though
<acheam>
doesn't Ebay require JS?
<midfavila>
yes which is why I use a separate machine for it
<acheam>
By the end of this, my computer will have 5.25tb split over 4 drives though, which will be nice
<midfavila>
not bad
<midfavila>
mine has a total of like, 6.4tb? thereabouts
<acheam>
One of the 250gb drives is reserved for windoze though, so really 5tb
<acheam>
Besides that, I'll need to figure out how I want to distribute data between the drives
<phoebos>
o/
<midfavila>
hullo
<phoebos>
eww looks quite nice
<phoebos>
if i used emacs
<midfavila>
eww is comfy
<phoebos>
that maxima thing looks a lot nicer than ipython
<midfavila>
if I ever write a web browser i'll probably borrow a lot of ideas from it
<midfavila>
and maxima is nice, yeah. i've been using it the past few days since regular calculators aren't cutting it any more for some of my exercises
<midfavila>
i want to try and integrate it with emacs' built-in calc
<phoebos>
s/ipython/isympy/
<phoebos>
oh yeah i packaged miktex
<phoebos>
it's a nice distribution for end users but there's a lot of crap to get it going
<midfavila>
yeah I tried using your miktex package before
<midfavila>
but I think I'd rather just a vanilla latex
<phoebos>
like texlive?
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
pretty sure that's what I have on my box atm
<phoebos>
its more common yeah
<midfavila>
yeah it's totally what I have on my machine
<midfavila>
it works well enough
<midfavila>
just use it for resumes and stuff
* midfavila
shrugs
<phoebos>
just takes like 5GB of disk space
<phoebos>
ish
<midfavila>
fortunately I have the space to spare :P