00:47 <phoebos> o/

01:02 <noocsharp> \o

01:02 <noocsharp> i sort of figured out my executable segfaulting problem

01:02 <noocsharp> for some reason it wants the text section to start at 0x401000 instead of 0x1000

01:03 <noocsharp> no idea why tho

01:03 <midfavila-laptop> hello phoebos, noocsharp

01:21 <midfavila-laptop> been thinking a lot about trying to cut the web out entirely lately

01:21 <midfavila-laptop> i find that unless you use chrom* it's more hassle than it's worth

01:25 <midfavila-laptop> maybe I should set up a KISS repository over gopher

01:25 <midfavila-laptop> that would be neat

01:34 <phoebos> that would be neat

01:34 <phoebos> despite its flaws, i've been enjoying gemini recently

01:36 <midfavila-laptop> gemini is...

01:36 <midfavila-laptop> an interesting experiment

01:36 <phoebos> i know

01:36 <phoebos> but the community is nice

01:38 <midfavila-laptop> i mean, i guess

01:38 <midfavila-laptop> iunno

01:39 <midfavila-laptop> it would be interesting to experiment with gopher as a filesystem

01:40 <midfavila-laptop> or gemini

01:40 <midfavila-laptop> i feel like since they're both text protocols they could be represented as such fairly easily

01:42 <noocsharp> 9p

01:42 <phoebos> > 9p

01:43 <natris1979[m]> wait ew, no

01:43 <natris1979[m]> 9p++

01:44 <phoebos> make a git gemini protocol backend

01:44 <cem> phoebos: what do you think the flaws of gemini are?

01:44 <natris1979[m]> I haven't tried Gemini yet

01:45 <natris1979[m]> seems interesting.

01:45 <phoebos> cem: nothing original. mandatory tls, and gemtext not having semantic linebreaks

01:45 <phoebos> but otherwise, i'm ok with it

01:46 <natris1979[m]> you see mandatory tls as a downside?

01:46 <cem> Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the markup myself

01:46 <phoebos> it's refreshingly simple and i find it easier to write content for

01:46 <cem> natris1979[m]: it's harder to debug at home

01:46 <phoebos> natris1979[m]: my blog posts don't need to be encrypted

01:46 <natris1979[m]> I can see that

01:47 <phoebos> and there's plenty of old hardware which can't do it

01:47 <phoebos> optional tls, fine

01:47 <natris1979[m]> oh, that does seem to be a flaw

01:47 <midfavila-laptop> mandatory TLS is garbage

01:47 <natris1979[m]> seems like an otherwise light protocol should be pretty timeless

01:47 <midfavila-laptop> afaik gemini is just for serving static content. there's no need for that to be encrypted

01:48 <phoebos> midfavila-laptop: cgi is supported, but yes

01:48 <midfavila-laptop> that's new since the last time I looked at it

01:48 <natris1979[m]> I mean there is static content that would be good to keep secured, but I get what you're saying

01:48 <midfavila-laptop> if it needs to be secure you probably won't be hosting it on a public gemini server

01:48 <midfavila-laptop> just saying

01:49 <natris1979[m]> maybe. Not yet.

01:50 <phoebos> i like the idea of a read-only protocol, so not having PUT et al is ok. although client certificates are a neat way to provide personalised content

01:50 <phoebos> see: astrobotany

01:51 <midfavila-laptop> i think you could argue that gopher is a read-only protocol

01:51 <cem> midfavila-laptop: wait, it isn't?

01:51 <natris1979[m]> I don't know the protocol intimately but it seems like it is

01:52 <noocsharp> can't you do queries?

01:52 <midfavila-laptop> well, the only time I've run into a gopher system accepting input is Veronica, Jughead or Archie

01:52 <midfavila-laptop> and yes, you can, but

01:52 <midfavila-laptop> the catch is that the queries aren't sent using an analogue to POST or PUT or anything

01:52 <midfavila-laptop> they're the same as every other request

01:53 <phoebos> it's like this with gemini also

01:53 <natris1979[m]> right. So it's a query parameter, but analagous to SELECT in SQL right? No INSERT or UPDATE

01:53 <midfavila-laptop> i suppose you could make that statement, yeah

01:53 <midfavila-laptop> veronica and jughead probably use SQL for their backend

01:54 <natris1979[m]> I'm not saying anything in etiher stack uses SQL, I'm using it metaphorically

01:55 <midfavila-laptop> yes, I know

01:55 <midfavila-laptop> i'm remarking that it's an accurate metaphor and that it wouldn't be surprising if gopher search engines used SQL

01:56 <natris1979[m]> ah, I see

04:06 <testuser[m]> Hi

04:08 <noocsharp> o/

11:22 <nmeum> hey, quick question regarding the kiss linux firefox package: my understanding is that with current versions of firefox, firefox IPC only works when dbus is installed (see https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/unix/FirefoxNoX11RemoteControl) do you have solution for this issues since you don't package dbus?

14:40 <natris1979[m]> nmeum: I don't know much of anything about ipc or dbus, but you might try searching the community packages over at kisscommuniy.org. kiss makes it really easy to create and maintain your own packages so if something you need isn't in the core repos chances are someone else has made repo files for it. And if not it's not hard to make them. If you can build something from source, you can make a kiss package

14:41 <testuser[m]> yeah if u want that then u can package dbus and rebuild ff

15:14 <nmeum> I don't want to package dbus, I was just wondering if kiss has a solution for the firefox IPC thingy which doesn't require dbus

15:16 <testuser[m]> no

19:29 <bujeddhazeus> nmeum: also, even if you packaged dbus, the Firefox no-x11.patch used in kisslinux completely disables dbus support in Firefox

19:30 <bujeddhazeus> When read in its context, see here: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/extra/firefox/patches/no-x11.patch#L308

19:31 <nmeum> so it's entirely build without ipc support and you can't open an url in a running firefox instance, yes?

19:31 <bujeddhazeus> Indeed

19:32 <nmeum> unfortunate

19:32 <bujeddhazeus> I have a separately worked on patch that I began working on in May

19:32 <bujeddhazeus> Which has working dbus afaik

19:33 <bujeddhazeus> It's almost identical to the kisslinux patch, because I based myself on the same old patchset from bugzilla.mozilla.org

19:33 <bujeddhazeus> I've tested it in gentoo only though

19:33 <bujeddhazeus> nmeum: if you need/want it I'll paste it somewhere again

19:34 <bujeddhazeus> But that's going to require dbus

19:34 <nmeum> what does your patch do?

19:36 <bujeddhazeus> nmeum: it's the same thing as that no-x11.patch as in it rips out X11 dependencies from Firefox code so they don't need to be installed on your system (i.e. pure wayland)

19:37 <bujeddhazeus> But, with dbus / ipc / remote code left more intact

19:37 <nmeum> ah

19:37 <nmeum> I don't have a use for it then but ty

19:47 <bujeddhazeus> Ah ok :>