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<acheam>
noocsharp, midfavila: I'm currently dual booting windows and fedora on both my computers
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<phoebos>
why
<bibliocar>
masochism, I bet.
<acheam>
shit they're onto me
<noocsharp>
what's windows
<acheam>
those things on the sides of houses
<noocsharp>
so on one foot you have a fedora and on the other windows?
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<acheam>
haha not that kind of boot
<acheam>
I think some people call it the trunk?
<noocsharp>
well if that's what you're into
<acheam>
phoebos: windows-only software, video games
<acheam>
fedora because I dont care anymore
<noocsharp>
what do you play that doesn't run on linux
<bibliocar>
I have a gaming laptop with ubuntu. I play minecraft on it.
<acheam>
well I was going to say Just Cause 3, but I looked it up on protondb just now, and aparently proton has improved a lot since I last tried it
<acheam>
will have to give it another go
<acheam>
although I do still have some windows only software to run
<acheam>
VM just wasnt cutting it, I wanted multi monitors and stuff
<bibliocar>
I'm learning about two dimensional binary search trees.
<bibliocar>
because mouse events and buttons
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<phinxy>
I built pigz, then removed it. Now theres no gzip on the system so kiss can't do much.
<acheam>
as long as you have a c compiler you can always bootstrap something to recover yourself... but having like phoebos around is always faster :)
<acheam>
s/like/someone like/g
<phoebos>
:)
<phinxy>
Had anyone reported audio issue, like no speaker sound for instance, with kisslinux?
<phinxy>
Speakers works on Sabotagelinux, the kernelconfig is the same, tried the same kernel, dmesg output is the same for the cards autoconfig, the mixer is not muted or volume low.
<phoebos>
you're in the audio group?
<phinxy>
I guess so, root user.
<midfavila>
acheam you piece of shit
<midfavila>
i'm literally going to get the bayonet and cut the fedora and windows out of you
<midfavila>
(after I hopefully sleep)
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<testuser[m]>
Hi
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<NV6>
Hey
<testuser[m]>
Hi
<testuser[m]>
NV6: In your kernel config, alsa is built as a module
<testuser[m]>
could you try making it built-in ?
<NV6>
I've tried this before, but with pulseaudio. I can try to make it a built-in real quick
<testuser[m]>
also whats your output
<testuser[m]>
headphones?
<testuser[m]>
not that it matters
<NV6>
yeah, headphones
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<testuser[m]>
and a lot of the options under alsa are marked a modules aswell, try marking everything as built-in
<testuser[m]>
or you could try to modprobe everything
<testuser[m]>
in /lib/modules/x.y.z/
<NV611>
currently recompiling the kernel, so we'll see 😛
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<NV6>
hmm, seem to be getting this: https://termbin.com/2c1z2, could there be other settings I have to change to be a module?
<testuser[m]>
also did u start the pipewire daemon and set pipewire as default in /etc/asound.conf ?
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<NV6>
hmm, seem to be getting this: https://termbin.com/2c1z2, could there be other settings I have to change to be a module?
<testuser[m]>
i guess its saying "unknown symbol" cuz other modules arent loaded, not sure
<NV6>
when I run pipewire when it'the daemon is already started?
<testuser[m]>
No
<testuser[m]>
Whatever it said when u started it
<testuser[m]>
Also is mdev running
<NV6>
https://termbin.com/5kw6 speaker-test seems to be outputting this now, whereas whenever I had my alsa modules as modules it would detect the outputs in here.
<testuser[m]>
Host is down meas pipewire not runninh
<testuser[m]>
Running
<testuser[m]>
what user are you running pipewire as
<NV6>
oh wait, speaker-test seems to be doing something now, my bad
<testuser[m]>
do ./scripts/kconfig/merge_config.sh -n .config
<testuser[m]>
ryzen 5 3600 and usb wifi adapter and novideo gpu
<NV6>
alright, will try
<testuser[m]>
but i dont have an nvme ssd so it doesnt support htat
<testuser[m]>
enable it if u have one
<NV6>
yeah i don't have a nvme ssd
<NV6>
i think i have pretty generic hw
<NV6>
AR drivers/media/built-in.a
<NV6>
make: *** [Makefile:1868: drivers] Error 2
<NV6>
could the issue be my kernel version?
<testuser[m]>
show the full log
<testuser[m]>
it will be near "Waiting for unfinished jobs"
<testuser[m]>
if u cant find it then just do `make -j1` it will tell
<NV6>
oh wait, it's amd ucode
<NV6>
sec
<testuser[m]>
its supposed to be in /lib/firmware
<NV6>
yeah, but i don't have an AMD cpu :P
<testuser[m]>
Then remove it
<NV6>
yeah I did
<testuser[m]>
It's some firmware option
<NV6>
sec
<testuser[m]>
Where u can build blobs into your kernel
<NV6>
is it AMD microcode loading support?
<testuser[m]>
no
<testuser[m]>
The option allows u to set paths
<testuser[m]>
Wait
<testuser[m]>
CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE*
<NV6>
do I just remove the path?
<testuser[m]>
Ye
<testuser[m]>
And the blob names
<NV6>
alrgiht
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<NV6>
kernel seems to have booted perfectly fine, although still no /dev/snd
<NV6>
lspci -k does not seem to show my sound driver either
<testuser[m]>
Bruh
<testuser[m]>
Ok this is cursed
<NV6>
yep i'm hella confused
<testuser[m]>
Does ur monitor have speakers
<NV6>
it does not
<testuser[m]>
Try ur headphones in another port
<testuser[m]>
Idk what to do now
<NV6>
I know my audio source works by the way, it works using my windows HDD
<NV6>
it's alright, can't seem to find any solution to this lol
<NV6>
haven't had any sound on linux for the past 20 days xD
<phinxy>
What's required to get audio playing through speakers? Known working kernel. alsa-lib, alsa-utils. sound card listed with aplay -l. volume and not muted (green 00?) in mixer. what else?
<NV6>
sound card is not listed through aplay -l anymore, and can't execute alsamixer anymore either (after recompiling with everything under alsa as builtin)
<NV6>
alsamixer -
<NV6>
cannot open mixer: Host is down
<NV6>
aplay -l -
<NV6>
aplay: device_list:274: no soundcards found...
<kjani>
Hello ! Just popped in because I had made up my mind to start using source based distros, but the only issue I usually have is with the installation and the manual configuration of the kernel where I usually miss adding drivers for some components of my hardware?? is there an autoconf tool which can automatically build a kernel config for me or can I use a distribution kernel config ??
<testuser[m]>
u can use distribution configs and tweak
<phoebos>
doesn't gentoo have something like that you can use
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<kjani>
phoebos: Dont know that is why I came here, I was seeing a list of source based distros and I saw gentoo carbs exherbo and kiss (sourcemage also but I think it is discontinued) I am not a complete noob and have installed gentoo once but I want to use a source based distro as a daily driver what would you prefer (gentoo, exherbo, kiss, carbs or maybe install void and go for xbps-src or smthing) pls help
<phoebos>
try them out, see what you like. gentoo is ridiculously complicated, kiss is completely understandable. carbs is a nice fork of kiss, idk about exherbo
<kjani>
Yeah I saw that kiss was way simpler to install than gentoo, cool I am getting myself an iso that I can install kiss using it and lets see how stuff goes on
<midfavila>
try it and find out. using automatic tools won't teach you anything about how your system works though
<midfavila>
best to configure the kernel by hand at least a few times.
<testuser[m]>
kjani: maybe it would but you would have no idea when some kernel feature stops working on an update
<midfavila>
or at least copy a configuration from debian or somesuch...
<kjani>
midfavila: I have tried to use the make menuconfig option but a lot of the times the kernel does not boot, and because it takes me almost helf a day to install it in a chroot and after the boot nothing happens I lose all hope and go back to debian or arch, maybe this time I will use a debian config and try to atleast get used to the kiss lifestyle and in the next release eventually try make menuconfig and if that does not work
<kjani>
thankfully I will have a config that will so win-win :)
<kjani>
okay im going to shutdown and boot from the iso and connect to irc from there
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<kjani>
Hello ! its me again I am stuck on the KISS_PATH thing any advice??
<phoebos>
what's your problem
<phoebos>
did your kernel boot
<kjani>
I donot know how it works, how do I set the kiss path, the wiki says to setup a profile file
<kjani>
phoebos: I have not built it yet I just started to install
<phoebos>
put `export KISS_PATH=path/to/repo:path/to/community` in ~/.profile
<phoebos>
or whatever
<kjani>
phoebos: Thanks !!
<kjani>
On it
<phoebos>
the file ~/.profile is sourced by the shell at login
<kjani>
Cool
<phoebos>
so this sets the environ variable KISS_PATH for all your sessions
<phoebos>
if in .profile you set ENV=~/.ashrc or something, then you can put similar commands in ~/.ashrc which are sourced for each interactive shell
<phoebos>
time to reboot for syspatch 008
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<kjani>
phoebos: Thanks ! that worked going to the next step now
<kjani>
Building gnupg1
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<kjani>
Guys any help on build flags ??
<kjani>
export CFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -march=native" this is waht the wiki recommends but fyi i donot have a very good pc so anything that might help in faster compilations would be appriciated
<testuser[m]>
It's fine
<kjani>
Cool !
<kjani>
Also when I do need to use LLVM or Rust can I just use the binaries on the kiss-community/bin repo ?? does anyone use these because according to my experiance llvm and rust takes very long to compile
<phoebos>
yes, that's what the bin repo is for
<kjani>
phoebos: I have now done the kiss update process and now I need to install the kernel the wiki says that "your kernel must be able to locate and mount the root filesystem without the use of modules. In other words, these drivers should be "baked in" (=y) (not =m)." What does this mean ??
<phoebos>
have you configure the kernel yet
<phoebos>
s/configure/configured/
<phoebos>
some drivers and other things may be built as modules rather than built-in, gentoo has a lot of resources about this
<soliwilos>
akira01: There's wayab. I haven't tried it yet, but I kept note of it for some time I'd get around to it: https://github.com/chux0519/wayab
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<phinxy>
Good morning assholes.
<NV6>
good morning asshole.
<phinxy>
I discovered this thick black snot in my nose. disgusting!
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<phinxy>
I can feel this day is going to be better than last night. It seems like alsamixers controls does not affect the card. Volume or mute doesn't do anything. 8 hours ago I had no sound, then after a nights sleep, there is now sound from speaker-test and aplay. But controls are not working.
<NV6>
I still do not have any sound whatsoever lol, how were you able to compile it using sabotage's script?
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<phinxy>
Manually, looking at the buildscript and copy/pasting each line. Then after making it, installed it with kiss. But, as I said, it could have been a fluke it started working
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<Tom10>
How can I get the -lGL flag for opengl development? Installing libglvnd and rebuilding mesa makes GLFW complain about not finding GL/gl.h
<phinxy>
NV6, the "PCM" bar affects the volume in alsamixer, but "Master" or anything else does not. So Master can be muted but if PCM is max that's max volume.
<phinxy>
Tom, you might need to enable some meson flag, too.
<NV6>
yeah PCM already seems to be max
<Tom10>
phinxy: of glfw or mesa? Maybe I need to enable another flag for libglvnd for glfw
<phinxy>
Tom10, mesa I mean. It's supposed to set -Dglvnd="${glvnd_enabled:-false}" perhaps its not picking it up? When I'm debugging kiss builds I put a `pwd; read -p "blah"` at the top and then cd in to the directory, you could print meson configuration with `meson configure output`
<phinxy>
the name of the card should show with `aplay -l`
<Tom10>
phinxy: Just checked and the build script is working (-Dglvnd is set to true)
<Tom10>
mesa installation still does not produce libGL.so though :/ (find / -name "libGL.so")
<Tom10>
for some reason I have libGLES though
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<phinxy>
I'm not familiar with GLES so it might be a trivial thing. But scroll up to the ./configure output and see if it mentions anything about glvnd.
<Tom10>
Just noticed I can use GLES, -lGLESv2 flag allows me to compile my programs without any problems so I will be using it :P
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<NV6>
phinxy my sound card is not on there, I have an ALCS1200A
<NV6>
I've checked that before
<phinxy>
NV6 ALC88x/898/1150/1220 probably the right category
<phinxy>
Do you have a device thats in there?
<NV6>
`dual-codecs
<NV6>
ALC1220 dual codecs for Gaming mobos`
<NV6>
could it be this? I have an ASRock Z490 Pro4