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<random-jellyfish> I'm defining a test package for my :sl project: (defpackage system-lisp-test
<random-jellyfish> :cl
<random-jellyfish> (:use
<random-jellyfish> :fiveam
<random-jellyfish> :sl)
<random-jellyfish>
<random-jellyfish> (:export :test-sl))
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<random-jellyfish> then I enter that package (in-package :system-lisp-test)
<random-jellyfish> and if I try to define a test suite with (def-suite ...) it doesn't work
<random-jellyfish> in sbcl if I do for example (def-suite my-suite ...) it says my-suite is unbound
<random-jellyfish> in ecl it says def-suite function not found
<random-jellyfish> it's as if fiveam is not used
<random-jellyfish> even though I specify that the package has to :use it
<random-jellyfish> am I missing something?
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<aeth> Works for me. That is, defpackage, in-package, def-suite works for me
<aeth> But the errors are the same! Annoyingly.
<aeth> On a fresh SBCL, (foo bar) will complain that bar is an undefined variable before it complains that foo is an undefined function (so if foo is supposed to be a macro... you'll get an undefined variable first)
<random-jellyfish> I'm getting these errors when I do (asdf:test-system ...)
<aeth> So the problem is that you are somehow not USE-ing fiveam
<random-jellyfish> I am :use-ing it in the package declaration
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<aeth> do you use Emacs+SLIME?
<random-jellyfish> Emacs+Sly
<aeth> Can you M-. on def-suite? or whatever the Sly equivalent to jump to definition.
<random-jellyfish> this is my asd file: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/v/7668QZAKQ#4778
<aeth> Although that may only work if the file compiles successfully in the first place, hmm...
<random-jellyfish> it won't work if I don't enter the system-lisp-test package from the repl
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<random-jellyfish> if I do that M-. works
<aeth> my defsystem's test-op's uiop:symbol-call is (uiop:symbol-call :fiveam :run (cl:intern (cl:symbol-name '#:my-package-name) '#:my-tests-name))
<aeth> although the cl: prefix is probably unnecessary, and just a hint at how many tries it took to get this to work
<aeth> oh, sorry, it's :fiveam :run!
<random-jellyfish> yeah that might be the root of the problem in my case
<random-jellyfish> funny thing is that if I do some C-c C-c magic in emacs+sly at some point I get it to work, but if I start with a clean sbcl I get to the same problem
<aeth> there's a bunch of things going on
<aeth> ASDF is magic, fiveam is magic, calling a symbol that doesn't yet exist is magic.
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<|3b|> you might need to specify more dependencies in your .asd (or just use :serial), i suspect other things depend on package.lisp if nothing else
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<random-jellyfish> :serial didn't fix it
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<ghodawalaaman_> Hello!
<ghodawalaaman_> Good afternoon!
<beach> Hello ghodawalaaman_.
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<beach> ghodawalaaman_: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.
<ghodawalaaman_> yeah
<beach> Great! Welcome!
<ghodawalaaman_> beach: I am Guest75 some days ago we talked here
<beach> Oh, I see.
<ghodawalaaman_> I was talking from my school computer right now I am on my own computer
<ghodawalaaman_> I have also customize the theme of nyxt btw :D
<ghodawalaaman_> s/customize/customized
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<ghodawalaaman_> beach: this is the video: https://peertube.wtf/w/78QN8v55qsKBh7BBsYbL7U
<ixelp> Theming nyxt browser with gruvbox theme ( warning: backgroud noices )
<ghodawalaaman_> video is quite horrible though
<ghodawalaaman_> with lot of backgroud voice :/
<beach> Thanks, but I think I'll pass.
<ghodawalaaman_> lol
<ghodawalaaman_> beach: can I ask commonlisp question here? someone told me that to ask questions I have to go to #clschool
<beach> It is fine here, especially if things are otherwise quiet.
<ghodawalaaman_> ohk Thanks!
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<random-jellyfish> in an asdf project I have to put (in-package my-project-package) at the beginning of each file?
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<random-jellyfish> I thought files are loaded in the order specified and we can use :depends-on for circular dependencies
<random-jellyfish> I guess don't know how asdf works
<beach> random-jellyfish: It has nothing to do with ASDF, but with how Common Lisp works.
<beach> random-jellyfish: If you don't put an IN-PACKAGE form at the beginning of each file, then the current package is going to be the one used when that file is compiled.
<beach> random-jellyfish: So it is recommended you always put an IN-PACKAGE form at the beginning of each file so that you know precisely what the package is when that file is compiled.
<beach> random-jellyfish: And no circular dependencies are allowed between files to be compiled or loaded.
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<beach> random-jellyfish: The dependencies between files in an ASDF system tells ASDF in which order the files should be compiled and loaded.
<jrx> defpackage depends-on state the *packages* needed by your package. ASDF defsystem declaration state which other system (or libraries) your program requires. And quicklisp knows where to find libraries.
<beach> jrx: DEFPACKAGE does not have a DEPENDS-ON clause.
<beach> jrx: And DEFSYSTEM is a definition and not a declaration.
<jrx> beach: ... yes, I mean :use
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<random-jellyfish> makes sense
<random-jellyfish> what if 2 functions depend on each other, each calling each other
<random-jellyfish> each calling the other*
<random-jellyfish> will the compiler tolerate that?
<random-jellyfish> I could actually write an exercise to find out
<beach> random-jellyfish: Sure. A function F does not have to be defined in order for another function G that calls F to be compiled.
<jrx> mutual recursion, just be careful to use tail-recursion
<beach> jrx: Why?
<jrx> ... or your stack will explode
<beach> jrx: 1. That is true only if the recursion is deep. 2. Common Lisp does not guarantee the existence of tail-call merging.
<jrx> ... so it is necessary to disassemble
<beach> If you don't care whether your program is portable, you can rely on that.
<beach> jrx: Please be a bit more careful when you give advice. Recursion is often the only reasonable way to traverse a tree, and if the tree is balanced, the recursion won't be very deep.
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<beach> random-jellyfish: ,(defun is-even (x) (or (zerop x) (not (is-odd (1- x))))) ,(defun is-odd (x) (not (is-even (1- x)))) ,(is-even 20)
<ixelp> (defun is-even (x) (or (zerop x) (not (is-odd (1- x))))) ;Compiler warnings : ↩ ; In IS-EVEN: Undefined function IS-ODD ↩ => IS-EVEN and (defun is-odd (x) (not (is-even (1- x)))) => IS-ODD finally (is-even 20) => T
<beach> random-jellyfish: As you can see, those two functions are mutually recursive.
<beach> random-jellyfish: And you can also see that the compiler gave a warning, but no error, because IS-ODD was referred to (but not called) before it was defined.
<random-jellyfish> yes, it still gives a warning
<beach> random-jellyfish: No such warning will happen if the two are in a file.
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<beach> random-jellyfish: Are you saying that the warning was unjustified? I find it helpful when I make typos due to increasing dyslexia.
<random-jellyfish> it can be helpful at times, but if it doesn't show up when I build the project that's fine, I don't like unsolvable warnings in my logs
<beach> random-jellyfish: Like I told you, if both functions are in the same file, there will be no warning.
<random-jellyfish> yeah it's how it's supposed to be, I like that
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<random-jellyfish> when I run! a test suite with fiveam I see that each sub-suite is being run twice, has anybody seen this before?
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<random-jellyfish> Running test suite SL-MAIN-TEST
<random-jellyfish> Running test suite SL-SYNTAX-TEST
<random-jellyfish> Running test suite SL-SYNTAX-TEST
<random-jellyfish> Running test suite SL-DATA-TYPES-TEST
<random-jellyfish> Running test suite SL-DATA-TYPES-TEST
<random-jellyfish> ...
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<random-jellyfish> it seems that if I put the sub-suites in separate files they are run twice
<random-jellyfish> why that happens is beyond me
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<mwnaylor> Is there a quick way to get sly to apply stickers to ALL the s-expressions contained within a larger s-expression? I'd like to have debugging sessions to work similar to what I've been able to do with instrumenting functions in elisp and Clojure.
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