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<fosskers>
Does anyone know where the system `list-of` is defined? It's not on QL as far as I can see, and nothing turns up from internet searches. I've found a certain project that mysteriously depends on it.
<nil>
looks like it's still in the current quicklisp
<fosskers>
nil: nice find!
<fosskers>
Thank you
<nil>
it wasn't hard since i have a shell command where i can type "ql-origin list-of" and it comes up with it
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<thuna`>
How would you go about documenting a local macro? (Also, is it right that in SBCL LOOP-FINISH is a global macro rather than a LOOP-local one?)
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<thuna`>
By local macro I am referring to a situation like (DEFTHING ... (THING-MACRO)) where DEFTHING expands into a (MACROLET ((THING-MACRO ...)) ...)
<thuna`>
I can put a docstring into the macrolet in (DEFMACRO DEFTHING ...) but I imagine relevant tools would not pick that up
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<beach>
Yeah, that would be hard for those tools. DOCUMENTATION takes a name, and there could be several local macros with the same name.
<beach>
On the other hand, documentation strings are meant for people using the feature being documented, and I can't see how a user would be able to use a local macro.
<beach>
thuna`: What is the target group for your documentation?
<thuna`>
beach: The documentation is for people using the DEFTHING macro to define things (in this case functions). It is pretty much in the same vein as LOOP-FINISH. The local macro is a convenience macro to avoid having to juggle gensym'd variables around.
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<beach>
I see. Well, how about you use (SETF DOCUMENTATION).
<beach>
That's my preferred way to make documentation strings anyway.
<thuna`>
I was leaning towards a global defmacro which just errors, though I'm not sure if that would break anything or not
<beach>
It is better to use (SETF DOCUMENTATION).
<thuna`>
Why so?
<beach>
Because you don't want to increase the scope of your macro unnecessarily.
<beach>
That's bad for the person reading your code.
<beach>
I guess the bot doesn't store documentation strings.
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<beach>
thuna`: Oh, and the standard gives the implementation a choice as to whether LOOP-FINISH is global or not, as you can see from the dictionary entry on LOOP-FINISH.
<thuna`>
Oh, I missed that part. That's a somewhat puzzling choice to make
<beach>
By SBCL? I agree.
<thuna`>
I mean allowing implementations to make it global in the first place
<beach>
... but then I can't remember what we do in Khazern.
<beach>
Yes, that too.
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<beach>
LOOP-FINISH is a global macro also in Khazern.
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<bpanthi977>
If you had to write a desktop application in Common Lisp, how would you approach creating GUI?
<beach>
I would use McCLIM which is an implementation of the CLIM II specification.
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<beach>
You can check out what a CLIM application could look like by using Clouseau, the CLIM-based object inspector. It is available on Quicklisp.
<bpanthi977>
I'll tried Clouseau. It seems to connect to Xorg. But I am in mac system.
<beach>
I don't know what backends are available for McCLIM these days. There might be some that works on a Mac.
<beach>
It might be easier to write such a backend than to struggle with foreign code for a GUI library written in some other language. Plus, writing such a backend would benefit other Mac users, whereas your struggle would just help yourself.
<bpanthi977>
McCLIM doesn't have backend for Mac or Windows.
<ixelp>
McCLIM/Backends at master - McCLIM/McCLIM - Codeberg.org
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<bpanthi977>
Do you know how hard it would be to write a backend?
<UncleRRR>
Nope
<beach>
It is not hard, but it requires knowledge of the interface to the operating system.
<beach>
You might want to ask in #clim where jackdaniel has more information than I can provide.
<bpanthi977>
And additionally, McCLIM is cool, but the UI looks old and doesn't blend in with other applications.
<beach>
UncleRRR: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.
<UncleRRR>
Yes, that's right
<beach>
UncleRRR: Great! Welcome!
<UncleRRR>
I am not only new to here, but also new to CL
<beach>
I see. You might want to know about #clschool then, where people hang out to answer newbie questions.
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<beach>
Newbie questions are tolerated here, especially if traffic is otherwise low, but this channel is mostly for a bit more advanced stuff.
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<UncleRRR>
Nice suggestion, I'll take that. But since this channel have much more people active, so I decide to ask questions (if any) there and still keep an eye here.
<varjag>
bpanthi977: CAPI on LispWorks
<varjag>
sadly not free
<beach>
UncleRRR: Oh, sure, you are definitely welcome to hang out here as well.
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<mountainman1312>
How could I go about looking into using a C# library in common lisp code, or at least making bindings to it? Is there something already made for that?
<mountainman1312>
All the searches I do just result in the opposite
<alcor>
The IPC route (if applicable) might be the next best thing in this case.
<mountainman1312>
Possibly. It's not even that big of a deal if I have to learn C# for this, I just figured why would I do that when I could not. What I'm doing is I'm trying to use the SolidWorks API.
<alcor>
You might be able to expose the library functionality as a callable subprocess, a daemon, a server, or a some kind of sidecar container.
<mountainman1312>
oooh wait I found a package called "bike" that says "common lisp .net core interop". Seems like this might be what I need
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<mountainman1312>
Also, SolidWorks documentation says "You can use any programming language that supports COM to create SOLIDWORKS standalone API (.exe files) and add-in (.dll files) applications"... I'm not sure what COM is but, that's some info I guess
<ixelp>
Lisp Programming - 2019 - SOLIDWORKS API Help
<mountainman1312>
No that's actually for DraftSight, it uses AutoCAD Lisp. I'm just curious to see if I can use the solidworks .NET API from Common Lisp.
<bjorkintosh>
hmm. let me see.
<bjorkintosh>
I've never used solidworks. but can you drive it with python?
<mountainman1312>
I mean if any C# libraries can be used, I see no reason this specific one can't be
<mountainman1312>
The "out of the box" languages are Visual Basic, C#, and C++
<bjorkintosh>
ah VB, C#, and VisualC++
<mountainman1312>
All the visual languages
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<bjorkintosh>
I just realized I don't know of a good cl for windows at all.
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<bjorkintosh>
however, if you want to use common lisp, you could always generate your VB code via cl.
<bjorkintosh>
and that will then talk to your target.
<bjorkintosh>
ie, if there's nothing else available.
<bjorkintosh>
it's a viable approach.
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<mountainman1312>
this bike package seems promising, I'm going to try it later at work
<bjorkintosh>
unfortunately, you may have to do some work to get it going. but there's a path available.
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<mountainman1312>
Thanks everyone, i'm off to work, I'll be checking this stuff out sometime today
<tux0r>
i wrote a desktop utility for recurring file maintenance tasks on my work windows pc last year
<tux0r>
sbcl & ftw (the lisp win32 wrapper)
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<tux0r>
(i reported a bug in it, now it works even better)
<yottabyte>
in emacs, when I have like some-package:some-function, how can I go to the definition of that function? the function and package in question is actually in the same file, I do M-. and it tells me "Error: DEFINITION-SOURCE of function {function} did not contain meaningful information"