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<ixelp> The Great Heisenbug of 2025 (#28) · Issues · zombie-raptor / zombie-raptor · GitLab
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<srji> hello o/
<srji> hows doing?
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<beach> Hello srji. Fine here, thank you. Making progress on SICL bootstrapping. What about you?
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<srji> sitting in home office and watching youtube
<beach> Hmm. OK.
<srji> :D
<srji> finally i got my own forgejo instance running
<srji> step by step building my own code infrastructure
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<beach> Written in Common Lisp, I hope, yes?
<srji> thats my goal
<beach> Great!
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<srji> i started to write my own surveying tool. and a library of macros to create web GUIs.
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<beach> There must be such libraries already. What mad you decide to write your own?
<srji> learning macros
<beach> I see.
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<srji> learning is about failing. if dont fail yourself you are not learning
<beach> Sounds right.
<srji> i can use others code but i cant use others experience
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<ixelp> Static type checking in the programmable programming language (Lisp) | by Martin Cracauer | Medium
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<younder> beach: removed Clover and replace it with Clordecone. (changed https://jthing.github.io/sicl-hugo/posts/clappers/ to reflect it)
<ixelp> Clappers - SICL Compiler
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<jackdaniel> younder: just in case that you are not aware, there is a dedicated #sicl channel for the project
<younder> nice to know
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<Shinmera> New lib: machine-measurements https://shinmera.github.io/machine-measurements/
<ixelp> Machine Measurements
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<mwnaylor> Clojure has these functions: `partition', `take', and `drop'. Are there equivalents built into Common Lisp? I am running SBCL.
<jackdaniel> I think that it would be more useful if you had described what they do
<jackdaniel> probably: take is remove-if-not and drop is remove-if
<jackdaniel> while partition, um, remove-duplicates? probably not
<mwnaylor> take returns the first n elements of a sequence. drop removes the first n elements of a sequence, returning the rest.
<jackdaniel> SUBSEQ with start and end arguments <-
<mwnaylor> partition breaks a sequence into smaller sequences of length n. Option step. Not specified, step is the same as n. Step tells how many elements to drop before returning the next sub-sequence.
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<jackdaniel> I don't think that there's something built-in (but perhaps there is)
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<yacin> yeah i don't think there's anything by default for partition in CL. i wrote my own (and partition-by) since they're both pretty handy: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/4725#4725
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<mwnaylor> nthcdr works for drop.
<yacin> i could've sworn i found them in some lib somewhere (at least partition) but wasn't able to find them again when i needed them
<yacin> ah yeah
<kanuba> Yes, serapeum
<yacin> ah serapeum partition seems like clojure partition-by and batches is partition
<yacin> i swear i checked serapeum but i guess i can't read
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<mwnaylor> serapeum seems to fit the bill for take and drop. Now I have to remember the name of that package. partition is different from the Clojure one. But, can write it in terms of take & drop.
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<phantomics> Can anyone comment on the current state of the art for building a Quicklisp dist? I tried https://github.com/Shirakumo/redist but it doesn't seem to work, it doesn't build the sources/ and releases/ directories as described and even with the -v flag it shows no output when compiling
<ixelp> GitHub - Shirakumo/redist: A project to handle the creation of Quicklisp dists
<Shinmera> I use it and it works
<Shinmera> (big surprise)
<phantomics> Ok, when I do ./redist compile -v it's supposed to print some output, right?
<Shinmera> if there's any projects and dists, sure
<Shinmera> if not, there's nothing to do
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<phantomics> Yeah I added a dist and a couple projects inside it, when I added the projects it printed some output that looked right
<phantomics> Maybe it's because I was doing it on an M-series Mac
<Shinmera> I doubt the m-series matters, but mac probably does
<phantomics> I'll try on Linux then
<Shinmera> does `redist list projects` show anything?
<phantomics> Let's see
<Shinmera> I'm honestly scratching my head a bit at what could be going wrong, I don't remember it using much of anything that should be platform dependent
<phantomics> Nope, it comes back blank
<Shinmera> right, so, the storage is messed up
<phantomics> Also, before doing sbcl --eval '(asdf:make :redist)' I found I had to manually install the sqlite package
<phantomics> Should I quickload the redist/sqlite package?
<Shinmera> it already does that when you build a bin
<Shinmera> otherwise it wouldn't need sqlit
<Shinmera> e
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<phantomics> Right
<phantomics> I'll try it on Linux now
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<phantomics> Oh yeah, also ran into this: Symbol "EMPTY-DIRECTORY-P" not found in the ORG.SHIRAKUMO.FILESYSTEM-UTILS package
<Shinmera> then you're out of date.
<phantomics> I fixed it by using (not (filesystem-utils:list-files ...))
<phantomics> Ok, need to update the QL dist
<Shinmera> Anyway, I'm not the only one using redist
<Shinmera> So it's not just a case of me having a particular setup.
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<Shinmera> I would like it to just work on macs (and windowses and bsds and whathaveyous) too, I just don't have the capacity anymore to make my stuff work on everyone else's systems that I don't use
<Shinmera> So I'll have to hand wave and say "I'm waiting for PRs"
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<phantomics> I understand, I just tried on a Linux box and had the same issue -- but as you said, the system's QL dist is out of date
<phantomics> I'll try on another updated box
<Shinmera> does it not even create a ~/dist/ directory or anything?
<phantomics> The files are going somewhere it seems: when I do ./redist add ... it gives a message saying ; Cloning from GIT ...
<phantomics> Then if I try cloning the same repo it does nothing, gives no message -- becuase it knows those files have already been cloned
<phantomics> However, there is no ./sources directory. I also tried setting DIST_SOURCE_DIR=/tmp/sources but that didn't work either
<Shinmera> did you create a dist before adding projects?
<phantomics> Yes
<Shinmera> hmm.
<phantomics> ./redist add-dist my-dist --url "http://my.public.url"
<phantomics> The way the problems are the exact same on both systems makes me think it's not due to the M-Mac or the old QL
<phantomics> I found it: it's in ~/dist/
<phantomics> I thought it would be ~/my-dist/
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<Shinmera> it should store the dist meta as simple text files
<Shinmera> and symbolic links between them, which is the only thing I can think of failing?
<phantomics> The meta should be in the ~/dist/ path after I compile right?
<Shinmera> though I wouldn't know
<Shinmera> it starts storing stuff even before compiling
<Shinmera> has to know what projects and dists and so on you have
<phantomics> No reason symlinks should fail here
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<Shinmera> hm
<Shinmera> add-dist doesn't create the dir when I test from an empty slate
<Shinmera> which means that the projects aren't added to a dist either
<Shinmera> leaving compile with nothing to do
<Shinmera> sec
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<phantomics> Ok
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<jackdaniel> mwnaylor: nthcdr works only for lists
<jackdaniel> if you want precisely the behavior you have described you should use subseq
<jackdaniel> that will work for lists and vectors (strings included)
<Shinmera> okey, fixed. I also pushed a new tag, so prebuilt bins should arrive in a few minutes.
<Shinmera> Apologies for the bumpy ride.
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<phantomics> Thanks, I'll try it in a little bit.
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