00:57 <DC-IRC> <TuxTheArchUser> ZeroPi is very interesting

00:57 <DC-IRC> <TuxTheArchUser> I wish there was a bit smaller version

00:57 <DC-IRC> <TuxTheArchUser> Like without Ethernet port and USB replaced with USB-C or Micro USB

08:16 <DC-IRC> <igorpec> It is. Look for neo core but probably not for sale anymore

09:59 <linfax> regarding the question I asked yesterday: about KGDB on ARM32 and at boot time. It works!

10:01 <linfax> it works on ARM64 as, because I used it several times on a RockPro64 and Pine64, RasPi, BeagleBone$ ....

10:02 <linfax> never heard of a platform which soesn't support KGDB. its very usefull and powerfull

10:03 <linfax> and I can use it during boot process with the kernel parameter kgdbwait and a working networtk driver as well

10:03 <linfax> in case one doesn't have a UART as ones disposal

10:04 <linfax> https://linuxlink.timesys.com/docs/how_to_use_kgdb

10:33 <archetech> all good but did you find the module issue

12:10 <linfax> archetech: not yet, it was in fact more about the general availability and usage of kernel debuggers for embedded devices

12:44 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I have "never" found a device driver or module that couldn't be kernel traced during runtime that needed preboot/boot time and I have been doing this since the Linux kernel existed

12:46 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Debugging kernel drivers in my experience has always been augmented better by added proper traces to the code and output there.

12:48 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Y(M/K)MV though

13:51 <jspiros> you've been linuxing since the early 90s?

13:53 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> jspiros: yep... 93.. was an old Unix guy before that... so I started right away when I heard about it

13:54 <jspiros> although I tried a boxed copy of Mandrake Linux around 1999, I didn't properly start using Linux until I started using Debian in 2002

13:54 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Heheh.. I remember "box" copies as well as my old Slackware floppy sets

13:55 <jspiros> :)

13:56 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I miss HP-UX the most though

13:56 <archetech> my first box was RH 7

13:56 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> (That's what I did for a long time in my career)

13:57 <jspiros> I only interacted with HP-UX via a build farm, Sourceforge's maybe

13:57 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> archetech: WS or EL?

13:58 <archetech> ws

13:58 <jspiros> I have machines in storage that ran IRIX and Solaris, and I have an Alpha box that I never actually ran so I dunno what

13:58 <jspiros> er, dunno what it has on its HDD

13:58 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Irix was fun....

13:59 <jspiros> but in the end I love Debian to the ends of the Earth, it is my one true OS love :)

13:59 <archetech> I came from mainframes to lan-pc when it started lantastic and novell 3

13:59 <archetech> rg58

14:00 <jspiros> oh and I have many Macs, so some playing with A/UX and mkLinux and many years of intense use of Mac OS X

14:00 <jspiros> but I have spent the last decade trying to reduce my Mac OS X use and increase my Linux use

14:00 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> jspiros: my UI/Desktop env has been OS/X since it came into existence

14:01 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> especially now with the ARM64 transition

14:01 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I use Linux VM's for all my Linux needs

14:02 <jspiros> I have been sad about how Apple has managed the Mac platform for years now, so that accelerated my trying to move off it for essential stuff, even my primary desktop is now Debian, but I still use a MacBook Air (from 2013, granted) running OS X as my primary laptop, but it's kind of a thin client as I store everything on servers, and mainly use web browser and terminal

14:03 <jspiros> I still prefer Mac OS X UI conventions but I became a believer in free software ideology and want to do what I can to avoid dependence on it, even if it is nice

14:03 <jspiros> I used to be a Mac application developer, sold some shareware

14:06 <jspiros> I still have an iMac in a storage room that I interact with remotely to run some legacy programs that I still rely on, Aperture for my digital photo library, iTunes for music and managing iPod and iPhone

14:06 <jspiros> not sure if I'll ever be fully off it

16:30 <mieeetek> hi

21:41 <willmore> Does anyone have an alpha build for the Opi zero 3 or the Opi 3B? Thank you.