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<DC-IRC> <jason123santa> there is devuan arm
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<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @jason123santa
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> 2023-02-14 18:03:05
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> golinux
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Administrator
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Registered: 2016-11-25
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Posts: 2,848
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Arm images are provided by the Devuan Arm community. They are not and never have been "officially" supported by Devuan.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> And the newest images are several years old unless you have a RPI4
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> they only have arm images for RPI
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> yeah I wonder how they got those?
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> not sure.. found them here: https://arm-files.devuan.org/RaspberryPi%20Latest%20Builds/
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<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> It's a mystery. Gonna have to get scooby-doo and the gang on this.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> lol
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<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Stvhay bootstrapped some devuan builds for the indiedroid nova
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Yeah but those were done independently... golinux is one of Devuan's admins
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> It was done with my builder.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> They have never "supported" ARM
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> exactly
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Your builder is too easy to understand
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> It's ARM for dumbies basically
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I have actually had people ask where the instructions were because they were too impatient to read the github page before downloading
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> And it says clearly in multiple places if you read
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @c0rnelius77 maybe we should put some of the text in blinking text
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> People always want more directions until they're finally given a magical `curl yo.lo | sudo bash`
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> on git
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> At one point we were trying to get Devuan to host some Pi kernels and misc packages for us, but they weren't having it. Then the person who was advocating for us ended up leaving the community. After that I stopped trying.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @lanefu make a routine that... if you do not follow an embedded instruction it tells you "You did not read the instructions.. this procedure will continue no more until you do"
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Imma take an opposite devuan approach and just see how _only systemd_ I can get
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<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> haahaa
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @lanefu did you see that non-systemd view yesterday/day before?
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Nope
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Have a link
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> What's the name of that BusyBox replacement also? I forgot
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<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> I don't mind systemd. People act like it killed the family pet all the time, which is entertaining.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @lanefu let me see... its in this channel. possibly rockchip.. let me find it
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> it was here
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Yeah I know, generally has made my life easier as far as sysadmin tasks go.
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Lol oh yeah I vaguely remember seeing that thread now.
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Systemd-resolver is a little insane but the more you read about the DNS resolution stack it gets understandable
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> People should've been around when it was nothing but sysvinit + prior
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> it was wild
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> lol
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Bleh a bunch of shell scripts starting with S and K lol
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> I think all we really know is that systemd will continue to be talked to death for years to come
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> systemd is fine with me
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> So yeah making some weird "lean" image that tries do as much as possible with systemd and toybox might be interesting
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> I still think the best non systemd distro is CRUX. Add the service you want to start to the rc.conf file and done.
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Whatever order you put it in is the order it starts.
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Not familiar with Crux. I've also avoided nixos because change is hard
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Arch started as a fork of CRUX. CRUX isn't practical for low end ARM devices though. In my opinion. To much compiling.
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Void is also a interesting distro. Though I believe it does use systemd.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Slackware is still around too lol
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> pssh
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> That is so 90s
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I know.. ain't it great?
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<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> When I can't get something to boot, I usually try void to make sure it isn't broken. That distro boots on anything.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Sadly that's how Debian "formerly" was....
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> It lost that though years ago
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Especially now with the release of Bookworm.
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> AtomicPi can't boot bookworm. At least not out of the box and that is an X86_64.
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<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Ouch really? what did they do to break it booting it?
<DC-IRC> <shivasiddhalt> ‎
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Not sure... it gets to loading the initramfs and... nothing.
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> Thats why I installed openbsd on it 🙂
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> yeah thats odd
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<DC-IRC> <lanefu> speaking of towboot
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> appears it might be a github problem... tow-boot.org is a github page
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> "hosted"
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> its foxed now
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> fixed now
<DC-IRC> <lanefu> Interesting yeah dns was returning nothing earlier
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> odd.. dns was working here but the site wasn't
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> (it was ipv6 only though)
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<DC-IRC> <jason123santa> it uses runit
<DC-IRC> <jason123santa> nope they have generic debian 11 images
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Where?
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Do you actually read ?
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Please Note: All ARM images available on this page are unofficial downloads developed through community effort.
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> ../
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> desktop-arm64.iso 24-Dec-2022 22:02 3G
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> desktop-sha256sum.txt 24-Dec-2022 21:15 84
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> netinstall-arm64.iso 25-Dec-2022 14:56 366M
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> netinstall-sha256sum.txt 25-Dec-2022 14:57 87
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> 2022
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> almost a year old
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> and "unofficial unsupported"
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> They do "not" officially support ARM
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Did you read what it said?
<DC-IRC> <jason123santa> yeah its not official and when the images were released is not an issue if it can be updated
<DC-IRC> <jason123santa> anyway systemd is not bad and most things have a systemd service so going non systemd would not be as easy
<DC-IRC> <c0rnelius77> @jason123santa sounds right.
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<DC-IRC> <steavengameryt1> what does linux arm support?
<DC-IRC> <infinity_q> runit
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Can you be more specific please?
<DC-IRC> <infinity_q> I think he means apps, programs, etc
<DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> I expect so too
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<DC-IRC> <infinity_q> short answer: it supports any program built for arm64 and most programs built you build from sources
<DC-IRC> <steavengameryt1> yes
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<DC-IRC> <shivasiddhalt> hi
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<DC-IRC> <steavengameryt1> hi
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