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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Haven't made switch to extlinux that's another project
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> But yeah there's a kernelextraargs field in armbianEnv.txt
<c0rnelius>
Its not another project, its actually what uboot looks for by default.
<c0rnelius>
There is vendor uboot which of course likes to try and do their own thing, but in the end its kind of pointless and it can be achieved using extlinux or after the boot process hits the kernel using services or whatever.
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<c0rnelius>
hardkernels boot.ini file is a perfect example of `lets over complicate things` because we want to be special.
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<c0rnelius>
extlinux is pretty much a trimmed down version of syslinux for arm.
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<pulpoff>
sorry, was i kicked out?
<pulpoff>
window closed ..
<pulpoff>
anyone got pissed with my posting ?
<pulpoff>
sincerely sorry.
<c0rnelius>
Of course hardkernel is still stuck in the world of 2015 last time I checked as far as uboot? So it makes sense they would try to improve on all that.
<c0rnelius>
pulpoff: you just dropped off. I see no boot flags.
<c0rnelius>
I think the old nes, snes and neo geo games are more fun anyway :)
<c0rnelius>
My youngest son tried to play those on the retro pie and just got mad :D
<c0rnelius>
why is it so hard!
<c0rnelius>
I think street fighter makes everyone mad though.
<pulpoff>
i'm kind of more from atari800XL/amiga600 generation
<pulpoff>
and later just PSP .. and i love how ppsspp runs on GTKing :)
<pulpoff>
60 fps most games
<pulpoff>
my son plays wall-e and ridge racer on it
<pulpoff>
with x3 PSP resolution, old games are so much better than any android native games
<c0rnelius>
As a child growing up we had or played them. Apple II, Atari, NES, SNES, SEGA, PS and all that shit. But the games back then were way harder.
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<c0rnelius>
Plus I would spend hours in the Arcades.
<c0rnelius>
So a 12 year old trying to relate to the games I grew up with is a bit diff. As now a days you can get hit over and over, large health bar and what not. I had to deal with Contra and stuff. Hit once and ur dead.
<c0rnelius>
Lifeforce! That was the jams.
<lanefu>
[TheBug]: @neonfetch will set you straight on box x86/64
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<lanefu>
I've got the original odroid go with the esp32. I love that it forces me to play all the 8bit games that I never tried or appreciated
<c0rnelius>
lanefu: Those are some of the best ones :)
<lanefu>
Lots of gameboy color and TurboGrafx / pcengine
<lanefu>
Yeah they're all great I just naturally gravitate to SNES titles when retro gaming
<c0rnelius>
TurboGrafx! My friend down the road had that.
<c0rnelius>
I don't recall a lot of releases for that system but the games were fun.
<lanefu>
Yeah. Wasn't as popular. But great graphics for sure
<lanefu>
I've been playing some bomberman version on it that's pretty cool
<c0rnelius>
GameBoyAdvanced actually has some good ones. Especially the Metroid releases.
<c0rnelius>
Megaman! hell yea
<c0rnelius>
I grew up on that
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Box64 will be on the repo soon, hopefully box86 too bc that's the longest part. Hopefully @IgorPec get it working soon 😋 ♥️ but for now we have scripts by @NicoD
<c0rnelius>
There is a fella on youtube who talks about the history of all those old games. Back in the day I use to grab some cash off my Pops and go down to the Arcade and just play all day. Me and my friend would just take over a cabinet till we won or ran out of quarters. Double Dragon in particular was always a fav.
<c0rnelius>
Of course that was back in the day when children didn't need seat belts and I could just be like, hey Mom! Drop me off here after you pick up my friend Rusty. I'll call you on the pay phone when we are done. :) No? Well we are riding bikes then and we still might call you. Bye.
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Ha yeah riding in the bed of pickup trucks on the highway
<c0rnelius>
hell yeah :)
<c0rnelius>
If you and I did that shit now we would be in jail.
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Truth
<c0rnelius>
I remember my parents would leave me in the car if I fell asleep. I would wake in a random place, like WTF? Oh yeah I guess we were going to this Seafood restaurant. I guess I'll check.
<c0rnelius>
So diff back then.
<pulpoff>
c0rnelius : lol :)
<c0rnelius>
pulpoff: Its funny, buts its super true.
<pulpoff>
t seems exagear was acquired by Huawei and they released new build for free
<c0rnelius>
I had high hopes for Kirin but... They shit the bed and then the US came in and put a foot down because it was so obvious as to what they were up too.
<c0rnelius>
It was so obvious that even Trump understood. Which says a lot.
<c0rnelius>
As I don't think that man has seen his own dick in over 20 years.
<c0rnelius>
I wish Xiaomi would get more involved. Way better company on a "I wanna stick around level".
<pulpoff>
don't they plan to release own cpu soon?
<pulpoff>
like google did
<pulpoff>
i am more surprised that rockchip have disappeared
<pulpoff>
RK3399 was a disaster .. and now no new model since ages
<c0rnelius>
I don't believe so as Huawei tried to get involved into infrastructure which is really what killed them on a international level from what I can tell. Big sells pitch to the European Union and lets not be stupid, Europe and other countries were ready to roll with it. But data is data and lets face it, China can't be trusted. Its really that simple unfortunately.
<c0rnelius>
The funny about China as far as I'm concerned if they would have been annexed by the Russians if it wasn't for the US dropping those bombs, The US then provides them with means to boost their economy and what do they do? The opposite of trying to be a true UN partner.
<c0rnelius>
They just act sketchy, much like Russia does now.
<c0rnelius>
I have feeling as things move forward, unless they get on board other countries will take over theses roles. Goods, supplies and cheap labor,
<c0rnelius>
The next big war will involve China and India, which will drag in Russia and the USA. That's my guess... Of course the Eurasian content will have to decide which side they decide to fall on. But in my opinion, that's whats coming.
<pulpoff>
why would china go into war?
<pulpoff>
they have a good economy, happy ppl
<pulpoff>
why would chinese soldiers want to invade anyone ?
<pulpoff>
and whats in india that china can't take with money power?
<c0rnelius>
Happy people don't make happy governments. Meaning people in power.
<pulpoff>
they build plants, they sell toys and weapons ..
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Hypothetically ho says China will start it?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> who*
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> they're cutting off a ton of water that goes south, it could just as well be any of the affected nations that causes conflict, since they'll be facing famine soon enough
<pulpoff>
it is a bit comical to assume chinese govt is abusive to its own ppl
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> China will never go to war with india
<pulpoff>
at this point they prove different
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> They are not stupid
<c0rnelius>
Does it matter who starts the war?
<pulpoff>
the only person who could start a war is president of belarus :)
<pulpoff>
as he has nothing to lose
<c0rnelius>
I see this rings some bells here. So with that said and us all being humans on this earth reviewing what I just laid out. It doesn't sound like its illogical. I say people saying this and that, but not a reason why it would never happen.
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<c0rnelius>
Let me put more simply. Countries pull out of China and they become isolated which is from what I can tell is a current goal. They start losing wealth in the current economy. Countries like India and where ever pick up the slack and more and more China starts to fall.
<c0rnelius>
Isolating ur self is a bad idea. Period.
<c0rnelius>
It creates tension. The US before WWII is a prime example of this. You only need to review history to see.
<c0rnelius>
If you a slide over a history book. China `which was raped by Japan` is now on higher ground and holding more cards. Cards they Don't wanna lose. The only diff between China and Japan currently. Is that Japan went to war for resources, China will do so to keep them. In my opinion of course.
<pulpoff>
and how would u imagine a next war?
<pulpoff>
lets put nukes aside
<c0rnelius>
They also border with Russia and India. Hence why I think that's where it starts.
<pulpoff>
ai drones is what china can build today
<pulpoff>
the question is again, what for ?
<pulpoff>
lets say china suddenly took over russia and "liberated" it from putin
<pulpoff>
its safe to assume local population will even support such move
<pulpoff>
and army will just not get involved
<pulpoff>
if its done quick and clean
<pulpoff>
or just bribe the govmnt to be china-friendly and give up on territories as what they practice now
<c0rnelius>
Liberate?
<pulpoff>
china "long-rents" from russia huge areas of land
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<pulpoff>
they populate them with chinese settlers
<pulpoff>
and i doubt that in 50 years went rent period is over, those territories will remain "russian"
<pulpoff>
so why fight ?
<c0rnelius>
Russia is in the process of trying to take by the Ukrainian.
<pulpoff>
ok i am ukrainian
<pulpoff>
and i don't thing this will ever work out for russians
<c0rnelius>
You think Putin cares about China?
<pulpoff>
not anymore
<pulpoff>
ukraine is no georgia
<pulpoff>
its size of france
<pulpoff>
the millenials took care of power
<pulpoff>
russia can't sustain a long war, and there is no option of blitz krieg on ukraine today
<pulpoff>
every dictatorship has an end
<c0rnelius>
Its where some of my family comes from before they gained their Independence.
<c0rnelius>
And every war has a beginning
<pulpoff>
nice to know :)
<pulpoff>
if u look closer at russia-ukraine conflict
<pulpoff>
u would see details
<pulpoff>
putin sends muslim russians to war with ukraine
<c0rnelius>
In our case it was either stay or death
<pulpoff>
there were almost 100% chechenians
<pulpoff>
because russian soldiers would not understand this move
<pulpoff>
and there're not that many chechenians left after 6 years of war :)
<c0rnelius>
Nor Jews
<pulpoff>
air superiority won't be granted, and without russian tanks are just scrap metal
<pulpoff>
so it's not gonna happen
<pulpoff>
nor jews what ?
<pulpoff>
israelis were fighting on ukrainian side
<pulpoff>
some ex-ussr israelis went to fight with their complete munition supply
<pulpoff>
the israeli brigades
<c0rnelius>
I'm speaking of WWII.
<pulpoff>
what about it
<c0rnelius>
Stalingrad
<c0rnelius>
The whole push from Russia is for this
<pulpoff>
for what?
<pulpoff>
it was a lucky moment
<pulpoff>
they almost lost the war
<pulpoff>
very inefficient
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<pulpoff>
and without allies opening 2nd front and providing supplies and planes/trucks/... it would never happen
<pulpoff>
and if usa wouldn't bomb japan, russia would take over europe completely ..
<c0rnelius>
Yes. But its also one of the most important loses. Stalingrad is an important part of Russian history. Beyond the stupid its one of the reasons its so important they reclaim this land.
<c0rnelius>
The bombs dropped on Japan was to stop China. Not to stop Japan.
<pulpoff>
what land ?
<c0rnelius>
And also prevent China from being ruled by Russia
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<pulpoff>
china was a threat during ww2 ?
<pulpoff>
to whom ?
<pulpoff>
japan was bombed to stop russia advancing in europe
<pulpoff>
to show stalin what will happen next
<c0rnelius>
No
<c0rnelius>
stop the advance into china
<pulpoff>
russia was advancing to china in 194x-5x ?
<c0rnelius>
yes
<pulpoff>
what are u talking about? ))
<c0rnelius>
please. go read
<pulpoff>
i was good in school, i should know
<c0rnelius>
what you are taught in school is bias.
<pulpoff>
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP),[12] officially the Communist Party of China (CPC), is the founding and sole ruling party of the People's Republic of China (PRC). The CCP leads eight other legally permitted subordinate minor parties together as the United Front. The CCP was founded in 1921
<pulpoff>
anyway
<pulpoff>
cya, nice chatting
<c0rnelius>
Not sure what that has to do with stepping outside ur box. But ok. cya.
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<steev>
not sure what any of the above has to do with armbian. but ok.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> steev agreed
<Armbian-Discord>
<Zaza> Where is the armbian stuff 😅 ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> HaHhaha
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> May we need a politics section down the road
<chewitt_>
the two topics to be avoided at all costs: politics and religion .. esp. when your audience is global
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> I think we may need to add that then
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hello chewitt_
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Okay, first rule of armbian discord server, we don't speak about armbian discord server. Second rule, no Uptons. Third rule, no politics (unless you wanna pay for that, then can be discussed), 4th rule, the only God we know is Linus Torvalds
<^tinyweasel^>
lanefu: man, BF is a joke hehe
<^tinyweasel^>
you wouldn't have wanted anything :P
<^tinyweasel^>
josh did have an offer, but lol, it was out in 5 seconds, literally
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<zeewark>
hello out there, is KASLR is enabled by default in armbian? because I cannot reach a breakpoint: Cannot access memory at address 0xffffffc0105aade0
<zeewark>
first I can set the breakpoint: (gdb) b submit_bio -> and that works Breakpoint 1 at 0xffffffc0105aade0: submit_bio. (2 locations)
<zeewark>
but after a continue I got the error messages
<zeewark>
it's not enabled, but I cannot access these addresses anyway
<zeewark>
somehow
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<massive>
Hey there! I've just installed Armbian on my fake MXQ Pro 4k 5G, it was supposed to have a Rockchip but it has an Amlogic, luckily I was able to install Armbian nonetheless. Android showed I had 256GB of storage and 16GB of RAM, which is weird because the seller had told me they were gigabits (Gb) not gigabytes (GB), which is 2GB of RAM and 32GB of ROM. Now Armbian reports I have 925M of memory (+462M of swap) and only about 6 GB of storage. Is it
<massive>
possible that Armbian fails to detect part of the storage and RAM, or have I simply been "scammed"? xP
<Werner>
both possible. however nobody here deals with tv boxes. best chance is to ask in the forums club
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<massive>
I'm asking here because I've reached the daily forum limit :/ It's just a post a day for new users, and you can't delete or edit old posts. A bit annoying tbh
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Hey massive, basically I'd say the Android ROM was designed to lie to you, I don't know any 16 GB RAM set top box processors, all but very very few top out at 4 GB. Also, while 256 GB storage is theoretically possible, I also very much doubt that's the case. I'd say it's a scam.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Also note that we don't create or maintain Balbes's images, so if there are bugs we can't really help, I don't believe he maintains them either at this point
<Werner>
posting limit is lifted automatically after less than 24h if you have one or two approved postings. this unfortunately is necessary measure to fight abuse (spam e.g.)
<massive>
Well yeah you're probably right, both about the Android ROM being a lie and Balbel's images not being very maintained. Thank you.
<massive>
For now I'm stuck with this low end SBC with very little storage. Would you suggest flashing Armbian on a USB drive or SD card, or keeping Armbian on the EMMC and forcing all stuff that uses much storage (like the personal cloud I'd like to host on this server) to read and write on the USB/SD card?
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<massive>
Welp. I think the eMMC's firmware is rigged itself. For christ's sake.
<massive>
It tells me there's no space left on device already, yet Armbian still says I've got about 70% left
<massive>
No wait, it's actually more weird. Using df I can see I've used 29% of the partition mounted on root, but the partition where /var/log is mounted is already fully used. Is this expected? Why are there two partitions for those?
<Armbian-Discord>
<dro3m> Is it possible to use Armbian's uboot to boot generic arm images?
<[TheBug]>
technically I would assume so, in practice.. not sure
<lanefu>
any recommendations for Matrix Arm Desktop Clients?
<lanefu>
@dro3m there was some dude that posted on twitter adn github a script he had to take armbian guts and turn it into a fedora
<lanefu>
all the info i have
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<^tinyweasel^>
>11:41 <+lanefu> any recommendations for Matrix Arm Desktop Clients?
<^tinyweasel^>
element?
<^tinyweasel^>
weechat can do matrix, too
<lanefu>
^tinyweasel^: yeah current in process of configuring that
<lanefu>
^tinyweasel^: on weechat
<stipa>
yeah, i also guess China would go to war because of the tech ban, it was their main source of income i guess, i personally don't have anything against China exporting tech tbh no one asked me if i want the ban
<stipa>
that ban is just a stupid mistake that'll cost lots of lives
<stipa>
obviously made by idiots
<stipa>
we'll be without cool tech and fucking works everywhere
<stipa>
wars*
<stipa>
just stupid
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> I wonder is someone can get the fedora aarch64 package of peazip to work, it's the only file manager that actually match x86 linux functionalities. File roller, xarchiver, etc.. they are all a piece of crap. Peazip can do everything. I don't know why it's not recognized as aarch64 on my side. https://peazip.github.io/peazip-linux-arm.html
<archetech>
try --build=blah
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> ?
<archetech>
--build=aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu in config
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> You need lazarus to build it
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> But even then I wasn't trying to build it, there is supposedly a fedora aarch64 package
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> But doesn't work to me. Maybe it's an stupid issue