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<tinyweasel> so, how many SBCs that are <$20 USD can do PXE booting?
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> By PXE do you mean tftp? Anything booting U-boot should be able to do that, though I haven't tried. PXE is x86
<tinyweasel> yeah, that'd work
<tinyweasel> but there needs to be a way to run a HTTP request or the like beforehand to see if it should boot... or maybe I can just deny access to said file
<tinyweasel> if ipxe or the like could be done, I'd be happy
<tinyweasel> but erh
<lanefu> Worst case you could kexec to something
<tinyweasel> kexec?
<tinyweasel> hmm
<tinyweasel> I was looking for something like that
<tinyweasel> that is one useful thing
<tinyweasel> thanks
<tinyweasel> if I did NFS booting/another USB stick, I could boot off an SD card
<tinyweasel> then just chain into another kernel
<tinyweasel> only thing is
<tinyweasel> can't they just overwrite the SD card from the new kernel?
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<tinyweasel> oh, actually
<tinyweasel> I could just build it without SD card support
<tinyweasel> since I get to control the kernel... hmm
<tinyweasel> maybe not
<tinyweasel> well, x86 for now, then
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> We can emulate x86 stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <N​eonFetch> But not that
<tinyweasel> no, no, I wasn't wanting to emulate x86
<tinyweasel> I wanted to do PXE booting
<tinyweasel> ideally, something like ipxe
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<c0rnelius> Anyone been able to overclock the Tritium H5? I noticed that its dts is setup a bit diff than others of the same SoC.
<lanefu> Tritium h5 has fixed voltage regulator
<c0rnelius> Exactly
<c0rnelius> I've tried re-writing the dts but yeah... Doesn't seem to like that. I'm guessing it not possible?
<c0rnelius> So duh, yeah its a hardware thing. I was hoping it was just lazy coding in the dts(i).
<c0rnelius> oh well
<lanefu> Yeah don't think it's in the cards
<lanefu> Tritium only knows how to be stable and boring
<c0rnelius> and hot
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<tinyweasel> lanefu: if I glue a potato to a RPI, will I get an orange pi?
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yup just use it as a heatsink
<Werner> lol
<IgorPec> morning
<Werner> morning igor
<IgorPec> lanefu is having late night or early morning ? :)
<IgorPec> how is haloween in germany?
<Werner> One group of kids came across
<IgorPec> i got ambushed by kids demanding ransome
<IgorPec> :)
<Werner> we had candy handy :P
<IgorPec> i didn't have anything with me. they said "phone will do " :)
<Werner> LOL
<lanefu> Dog woke me up
<lanefu> So somewhere in the middle
<IgorPec> aha, nice. you have a working day today?
<IgorPec> here we are off
<Werner> in a few states here is holiday too
<lanefu> Work day for us
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<Armbian-Discord> <d​oodaadoo81> guten Morgen
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> morgen
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* stipa The Pi Zero 2 W has a hidden secret!
<stipa> i was wrong, dang, ram really is in the soc
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm sure that is cheap. Rolls eyes the zero 2 is likely a super low volume loss leader in my honest opinion
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Trying out their newfound affinity for special purpose IC packaging.
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<stipa> 15 $
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<stipa> well, it's kinda cool, it saves some space
<stipa> they should have thrown some flash in too
<stipa> and as c0rnelius said a wifi chip as well
<stipa> but, that stacking stuff is popular now, like going up in 2D
<c0rnelius> If you over clock it to 1.2, its pretty much just a pi3b for $15.
<stipa> 3D*
<c0rnelius> So in that since if you were looking for a small form factor 3b, I guess thats a win?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> "I was looking all over the world for a Yugo in that color"
<stipa> yugos are gonsky, rust ate them away
<stipa> gonski*
<stipa> they're gone
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Well, the point was, being a different color / shape doesn't make it desirable
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It's still pretty much junk
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That SoC uses way too much power and makes too much heat to be seriously considered in such a compact project.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Next up: and RK3399 Radxa Zero 2 🤣🤣🤣🤣
<archetech> vaporware in US ^
<buZz> US is vaporware
<buZz> stipa: i'd rather get one of those radxa's
<buZz> armv8 , up to 4GB ram
<sunshavi> 4GB Memory. Is better than currently I have
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<c0rnelius> alright!
<c0rnelius> dmesg | grep "Linux version"; dmesg | grep model
<c0rnelius> [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.15.0 (marvin@martian) (gcc-10 (Ubuntu 10.3.0-1ubuntu1) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.36.1) #2 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 1 13:11:44 EDT 2021
<c0rnelius> [ 0.000000] Machine model: Hardkernel ODROID-N2Plus
<c0rnelius> Tonymac32: I don't know? I think they would be fine for cams. Considering motioneye is dead and bullseye dropped python2, I could see using them as cam replacements for the few zeros I have around the house. Just need to move them from buster to focal and would be back in business for a few more years.
<c0rnelius> I don't think I'll be doing that, but has crossed my mind.
<stipa> buZz: i'm thinking of becoming raspberry fan
<buZz> stipa: nice, getting the forehead tattoo?
<buZz> :D
<stipa> tthe tought about it haunts me
<buZz> and big BROADCOM in gothic letters on your lower belly
<buZz> :)
<stipa> sure
<stipa> good idea
<buZz> nice, cant wait for the pics :D
<stipa> soon bro, soon
<stipa> T​onymac32, idling it shouldn't heat much
<stipa> under load is little below 200mA
<stipa> that'll radiate some heat, yeah
<stipa> i guess it could be functional without a heatsink
<c0rnelius> I wonder if the bluetooth is shit on it? its horrid on the 3b.
<c0rnelius> even worse on the original zero w.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The 3B pulls something like 250 mA idle. Do you expect this to be so much better on the zero 2?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I get that you don't have a couple chips, but...
<c0rnelius> I've already some bits about that and the spec sheet lets just say isn't completely true for zero 2.
<c0rnelius> Doesn't need the same power as the 3b.
<c0rnelius> From what I've read anyway.
<c0rnelius> I think thats just the foundation trying to sell PSUs
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Well you don't have the hub/eth chip. But it's still an ancient tech SoC clocked toward the limit of the process
<c0rnelius> true enough
<buZz> there's no BT on zero2
<c0rnelius> of course there is
<buZz> oh huh, there is, ok
<buZz> TIL :)
<c0rnelius> 2.4GHz IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless LAN, Bluetooth 4.2, BLE.
<buZz> wonder what i'm confused with then
<c0rnelius> I'm sure its garbage :) but there it is
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So looks like, turning off wifi, HDMI, and LED's, you can get idle at 100 mA
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> So basically "Don't use it for anything"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😉
<c0rnelius> Well considering you don't need the led or hdmi and you can disable bluetooth. Sounds like good cam stuff to me.
<c0rnelius> stick it on schedutil or conservative. Bet she'd be fine.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If you can disable all cores but one like an H3 maybe
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The zero is marginally acceptable in battery situations, this thing definitely is not
<stipa> "Also, as a point of reference, when you power off a Raspberry Pi (any model), it typically uses 20-30 mA (0.1W) until you physically disconnect the power."
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think you'll find that for a lot of devices. 😆
<stipa> that table from the link sux
<stipa> it's not possible that wifi uses only 20mA
<stipa> that's mybe just switching it on without it doing anything
<stipa> on Zero 2 W
<stipa> Zero 2 W HDMI off, LED off 100 mA (0.6 W)
<stipa> Zero 2 W HDMI off, LEDs off, onboard WiFi 120 mA (0.7 W)
<buZz> stipa: yeah wifi powerdraw goes up on pushing actual data over it
<buZz> stipa: i measured something like that once ;
<buZz> A 0.49 (idle)
<buZz> A 0.64 (assoc)
<buZz> A 0.70 (downloading 2.4MB/sec)
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<buZz> iirc for a pi1
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<stipa> buZz: right
<stipa> buZz: is A 0.49 = 490mA ?
<buZz> yes
<stipa> k
<buZz> this was 2012
<buZz> lol
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<buZz> so long ago :)
<stipa> yeah, sounds like wifi G
<buZz> indeed, afaik we didnt even have >G at the hackerspace at the time
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> 2,5 - 5MB is generic value for G
<stipa> 2,5 - 3 MB *
<stipa> in ideal situation.
<buZz> yeah
<c0rnelius> there you go, fully custom ubuntu armhf img so I can screw with the userland ->
<c0rnelius> Pretty simples.
<c0rnelius> No heatsink yet saw I have no clue what to do with it, but... yeah. Probs end up in the box with the rest of a bunch of other shit.
<buZz> nice figlet motd :)
<buZz> do you know 'toilet' aswell ? its from the libcaca ppl , uses same/similar font format but adds color :)
<buZz> ┏━┓┏┓╻╺┳┓ ┏━┓╻ ╻┏━┓┏━┓┏━┓┏━┓╺┳╸┏━┓ ╻┏━┓┏━╸ ┏━┓╻ ╻╺┳╸┏━┓╻ ╻╺┳╸
<buZz> ┣━┫┃┗┫ ┃┃ ┗━┓┃ ┃┣━┛┣━┛┃ ┃┣┳┛ ┃ ┗━┓ ┃┣┳┛┃ ┃ ┃┃ ┃ ┃ ┣━┛┃ ┃ ┃
<buZz> ╹ ╹╹ ╹╺┻┛ ┗━┛┗━┛╹ ╹ ┗━┛╹┗╸ ╹ ┗━┛ ╹╹┗╸┗━╸ ┗━┛┗━┛ ╹ ╹ ┗━┛ ╹
<buZz> hehe
<c0rnelius> thats the gay one I believe
<c0rnelius> do prefer the gay one? hmm?
<c0rnelius> Yeah. For sure. Ur like one of those Intel vs AMD people. Like everything isn't shit, but you just prefer the smell of that one :) I myself don't care and use whatever fits the bill. There is also boredom? But whatever.
<buZz> c0rnelius: all colors are beautiful
<c0rnelius> unless ur color blind.
<buZz> well they would still see colors
<c0rnelius> I didn't mean it that way :)
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<buZz> c0rnelius: hey arent you running 64bit?
<buZz> on the zero2
<buZz> eh , +why arent you :)
<c0rnelius> There is zero userland "pretty much" for arm64 on pis. Its pretty pathetic. So If I wanna test the cam, it needs to be armhf.
<buZz> ah alright
<c0rnelius> Judging by its current performance, even overclocked its just a 3b. So... Yeah I expect it to behave the same.
<c0rnelius> Probs should have spent the money on some Scotch. :)
<buZz> 13 gbp scotch? meh :P
<[TheBug]> we talking about new RPi Zero?
<[TheBug]> might as well get an H3 device
<c0rnelius> With shipping it was like a little over 23$
<[TheBug]> effectively what it is
<[TheBug]> with less memory
<[TheBug]> since max memory is 512Mb
<c0rnelius> or 22$ something?
<nekomancer[m]> raspberry pi talks on #armbian.
<nekomancer[m]> shame on us.
<[TheBug]> the Radxa will be better yes
<c0rnelius> Where you gonna find one?
<buZz> hmm only the 4gb models are still for sale
<c0rnelius> 80+ for the max model.
<c0rnelius> Crazy
<buZz> 128gb emmc though
<[TheBug]> well reason all Radxa stuff is gone is cause two different youtube videos put pressure on them
<c0rnelius> True.
<buZz> and ddr4
<[TheBug]> other day there were 2Gb modles still
<c0rnelius> Probs make a sweet lil kodi box.
<[TheBug]> but now seems none
<c0rnelius> ameridroid's waiting list is till Dec something I thinks?
<[TheBug]> for Radxa stuff or?
<c0rnelius> Yeah the Radxa
<[TheBug]> honestly
<[TheBug]> order direct from them, pick second shipping method it seems a bit more expensive but it will arrive in under 2 weeks and likely cost you less
<[TheBug]> them =
<[TheBug]> and if you have any questions chat them onthe site and tell Norbert I said whats up ;)
<nekomancer[m]> all Radxa stuff is gone? Where I can read about it? what's going on there?
<[TheBug]> There are still 4Gb version there at least
<[TheBug]> I don't see the smaller ones atm
<c0rnelius> yeah its nuts
<nekomancer[m]> oh, "stuff". sorry, doesnt't matter.
<[TheBug]> c0rnelius: all my Radxa gear I have I have ordered from them directly at and I have had very good experience with it -- using the slightly upgraded shipping is worth it if you are in USA though as it will expedite thing by 1-2 weeks over cheap shipping. And when I would price them vs Ameridroid it was often still cheaper with slightly more expensive shipping to order
<[TheBug]> direct. The icing on the cake is their web chat is responsive and usually manned by 'Norbert' and he is awesome to deal with if you have any questions
<[TheBug]> Though I do like Ameridroid as well, and have done business with them, in the case of Radxa stuff it may be better direct.
<c0rnelius> [TheBug]: I usually get my Odroid stuff from Hardkernel as I dislike Ameridroid. But yeah... Just saying its hard to find at a reasonable price right now.
<[TheBug]> ohh thats from memory
<[TheBug]> reason they have what they do is it appears Radxa in advance of shortage ordered specific allotment
<[TheBug]> so they have produced what they planned
<[TheBug]> but a lot can't even get memory or if they can price is so high it outprices the board
<[TheBug]> it's a shame
<[TheBug]> why back in June I 'stocked' up on what I was gonna buy for the rest of the year
<[TheBug]> I have some Rock 3A's here, shame though Armbian doesn't really have any support for them yet so
<[TheBug]> and not yet had much success with pcie there eithe but probably due to needing to modify dtb a bunch
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<sunshavi> TheBug: Hi.
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<[TheBug]> sunshavi: g'day
<IgorPec> hej
<sunshavi> IgorPec: Hi.
<stipa> buZz: i guess armbian support is fading for rock pi stuff
<stipa> they aren't nice towards devs
<buZz> they dont rock?
<stipa> nah, they're scammy
<stipa> you could be left with a dead board
<tinyweasel> neofetch on the OVH ARM armbian mirror box?
<tinyweasel> ;)
<buZz> :D
<tinyweasel> kinda sad they killed that off, actually, but the weak SoC was iffy
<tinyweasel> wouldn't even make a decent seedbox
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<TRS-80> Looking at it seems no one have stepped up for cubietruck, odroidxu4, rockpro64 yet. I care about these only because I own them. But I don't think I am knowledgeable enough to maintain. :(
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<stipa> that's life
<IgorPec> TRS-80: some noise on vendor forums?
<TRS-80> IgorPec: Actually, I was looking at that list initially with the thought to make the requested posts on PINE64 forum, as I been hanging out there a lot since I got my PinePhone. And then I started looking at the boards I own and that's when my heart sank. lol
<TRS-80> I may have account on Odroid forums, but I am no where near as active there. And I don't know if Cubietruck even have forums (any more?)?
<steev> TRS-80: the way to get the knowledge is start maintaining
<TRS-80> steev: Also my work schedule is such that I cannot even maintain my own home / personal things, not just IT but vehicles, etc.
<TRS-80> but I take your point
<steev> relatable, it really is :D
<TRS-80> But better less boards than no Armbian at all
<TRS-80> I will just have to figure it out
<IgorPec> we can't keep them all. that is fact.
<TRS-80> yes I know
<TRS-80> I guess I try for now to make some posts on vendor forums and see what happens
<IgorPec> for rockpro64 and xu4 should be some interest, cubietruck ... old, but also there are users out there
<IgorPec> still all board will remain in the build system, so its not that tragic after all
<TRS-80> What is the code name for PineBook Pro? I don't see that on the list at all.
<buZz> 'plastic crap the second'
<buZz> :D
<IgorPec> it must be. pinebookpro
<TRS-80> buZz: I thought Pro was metal frame, no?
<TRS-80> at least part?
<buZz> yeah it is a bit higher quality :)
<IgorPec> if by chance there are two maintainers, that is not a problem
<buZz> maybe survives 10x usage now
<buZz> :D
<TRS-80> I do know I read more than one thread about the hinges wearing out
<TRS-80> actually just ripping out of the (plastic?) frame
<buZz> i like to see pine64 or -whoever- just make a replacement thinkpad motherboard
<buZz> get decent housing, screen , keyboard from lenovo
<buZz> plonk in arm pcb
<buZz> boom, done
<sunshavi> buZz: nice dream
<buZz> 100% quality , (close to) 0% R&D
* TRS-80 was thinking about shoehorning a RK3399 into an actual old Classic ThinkPad
<TRS-80> seriously thinking
<buZz> sunshavi: i have many
<buZz> :D
<buZz> TRS-80: make it so
<buZz> x230? :)
<TRS-80> I don't know if I can live without nipple mouse
<buZz> i have ~4 x230s in parts, i think
<TRS-80> T60s
<buZz> x230 has a nipple
<buZz> T* is just luggables, i only like laptops
<TRS-80> Yeah I mostly use as portable desktop
<TRS-80> OK, added pinebookpro to the list (after re-sorting to make sure it wasn't already there)
<sunshavi> my x220 has 6 Gb memory
<TRS-80> nic
<TRS-80> e
<sunshavi> Yes.
<sunshavi> How Do You guys compile gcc for arm-32 bits?. on device or cross-compilation
<IgorPec> so far most is CC
<sunshavi> VM?
<IgorPec> mainly, yes
<IgorPec> runners are ubuntu hirsute
<sunshavi> Have You heard about cross-ng?
<IgorPec> just heard never used
<sunshavi> I am thinking on trying it. For archlinux. But I am also thinking if armbiam could use it too
<IgorPec> i doubt we can do any major changes in this regard. too many other problems
<sunshavi> But. I think VM is slower than cross-ng. I could be wrong
<IgorPec> it is, but we essential troubles to sort first, while head count is not chaning
<IgorPec> changing
<sunshavi> sure Igor. I need gcc-11 on archlinux. I think before the end of the year I am going to try cross-ng. Let's see how it goes
<sunshavi> gcc is most difficult to compile than the kernel
<IgorPec> i believe so. if we start to dig into such areas, project would collaps. that's the problem
<sunshavi> Yeah. man power is an issue always
<sunshavi> hw is less an issue than man power
<IgorPec> exactly
<IgorPec> our build farm has currenly more then 250 cpu cores
<sunshavi> nice.
<IgorPec> time. i have to get up in a few hours ;)
<sunshavi> rest IgorPec
<IgorPec> yeah, see you around
<sunshavi> of course
<sunshavi> i am gmt-5