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<tinyweasel>
so, how many SBCs that are <$20 USD can do PXE booting?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> By PXE do you mean tftp? Anything booting U-boot should be able to do that, though I haven't tried. PXE is x86
<tinyweasel>
yeah, that'd work
<tinyweasel>
but there needs to be a way to run a HTTP request or the like beforehand to see if it should boot... or maybe I can just deny access to said file
<tinyweasel>
if ipxe or the like could be done, I'd be happy
<tinyweasel>
but erh
<lanefu>
Worst case you could kexec to something
<tinyweasel>
kexec?
<tinyweasel>
hmm
<tinyweasel>
I was looking for something like that
<tinyweasel>
that is one useful thing
<tinyweasel>
thanks
<tinyweasel>
if I did NFS booting/another USB stick, I could boot off an SD card
<tinyweasel>
then just chain into another kernel
<tinyweasel>
only thing is
<tinyweasel>
can't they just overwrite the SD card from the new kernel?
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<tinyweasel>
oh, actually
<tinyweasel>
I could just build it without SD card support
<tinyweasel>
since I get to control the kernel... hmm
<tinyweasel>
maybe not
<tinyweasel>
well, x86 for now, then
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> We can emulate x86 stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> But not that
<tinyweasel>
no, no, I wasn't wanting to emulate x86
<tinyweasel>
I wanted to do PXE booting
<tinyweasel>
ideally, something like ipxe
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<c0rnelius>
Anyone been able to overclock the Tritium H5? I noticed that its dts is setup a bit diff than others of the same SoC.
<lanefu>
Tritium h5 has fixed voltage regulator
<c0rnelius>
Exactly
<c0rnelius>
I've tried re-writing the dts but yeah... Doesn't seem to like that. I'm guessing it not possible?
<c0rnelius>
So duh, yeah its a hardware thing. I was hoping it was just lazy coding in the dts(i).
<c0rnelius>
oh well
<lanefu>
Yeah don't think it's in the cards
<lanefu>
Tritium only knows how to be stable and boring
<c0rnelius>
and hot
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<tinyweasel>
lanefu: if I glue a potato to a RPI, will I get an orange pi?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yup just use it as a heatsink
<Werner>
lol
<IgorPec>
morning
<Werner>
morning igor
<IgorPec>
lanefu is having late night or early morning ? :)
<IgorPec>
how is haloween in germany?
<Werner>
One group of kids came across
<IgorPec>
i got ambushed by kids demanding ransome
<IgorPec>
:)
<Werner>
we had candy handy :P
<IgorPec>
i didn't have anything with me. they said "phone will do " :)
<Werner>
LOL
<lanefu>
Dog woke me up
<lanefu>
So somewhere in the middle
<IgorPec>
aha, nice. you have a working day today?
<IgorPec>
here we are off
<Werner>
in a few states here is holiday too
<lanefu>
Work day for us
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<Armbian-Discord>
<doodaadoo81> guten Morgen
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> morgen
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<c0rnelius>
Tonymac32: I don't know? I think they would be fine for cams. Considering motioneye is dead and bullseye dropped python2, I could see using them as cam replacements for the few zeros I have around the house. Just need to move them from buster to focal and would be back in business for a few more years.
<c0rnelius>
I don't think I'll be doing that, but has crossed my mind.
<stipa>
buZz: i'm thinking of becoming raspberry fan
<buZz>
stipa: nice, getting the forehead tattoo?
<buZz>
:D
<stipa>
tthe tought about it haunts me
<buZz>
'I LUB EBEN UPTON'
<buZz>
and big BROADCOM in gothic letters on your lower belly
<buZz>
:)
<stipa>
sure
<stipa>
good idea
<buZz>
nice, cant wait for the pics :D
<stipa>
soon bro, soon
<stipa>
Tonymac32, idling it shouldn't heat much
<stipa>
under load is little below 200mA
<stipa>
that'll radiate some heat, yeah
<stipa>
i guess it could be functional without a heatsink
<c0rnelius>
I wonder if the bluetooth is shit on it? its horrid on the 3b.
<c0rnelius>
even worse on the original zero w.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The 3B pulls something like 250 mA idle. Do you expect this to be so much better on the zero 2?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I get that you don't have a couple chips, but...
<c0rnelius>
I've already some bits about that and the spec sheet lets just say isn't completely true for zero 2.
<c0rnelius>
Doesn't need the same power as the 3b.
<c0rnelius>
From what I've read anyway.
<c0rnelius>
I think thats just the foundation trying to sell PSUs
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Well you don't have the hub/eth chip. But it's still an ancient tech SoC clocked toward the limit of the process
<c0rnelius>
true enough
<buZz>
there's no BT on zero2
<c0rnelius>
of course there is
<buZz>
oh huh, there is, ok
<buZz>
TIL :)
<c0rnelius>
2.4GHz IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless LAN, Bluetooth 4.2, BLE.
<buZz>
wonder what i'm confused with then
<c0rnelius>
I'm sure its garbage :) but there it is
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So looks like, turning off wifi, HDMI, and LED's, you can get idle at 100 mA
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So basically "Don't use it for anything"
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😉
<c0rnelius>
Well considering you don't need the led or hdmi and you can disable bluetooth. Sounds like good cam stuff to me.
<c0rnelius>
stick it on schedutil or conservative. Bet she'd be fine.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If you can disable all cores but one like an H3 maybe
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The zero is marginally acceptable in battery situations, this thing definitely is not
<stipa>
"Also, as a point of reference, when you power off a Raspberry Pi (any model), it typically uses 20-30 mA (0.1W) until you physically disconnect the power."
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I think you'll find that for a lot of devices. 😆
<stipa>
that table from the link sux
<stipa>
it's not possible that wifi uses only 20mA
<stipa>
that's mybe just switching it on without it doing anything
<stipa>
on Zero 2 W
<stipa>
Zero 2 W HDMI off, LED off 100 mA (0.6 W)
<stipa>
Zero 2 W HDMI off, LEDs off, onboard WiFi 120 mA (0.7 W)
<buZz>
stipa: yeah wifi powerdraw goes up on pushing actual data over it
<c0rnelius>
Yeah. For sure. Ur like one of those Intel vs AMD people. Like everything isn't shit, but you just prefer the smell of that one :) I myself don't care and use whatever fits the bill. There is also boredom? But whatever.
<buZz>
c0rnelius: all colors are beautiful
<c0rnelius>
unless ur color blind.
<buZz>
well they would still see colors
<c0rnelius>
I didn't mean it that way :)
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<buZz>
c0rnelius: hey arent you running 64bit?
<buZz>
on the zero2
<buZz>
eh , +why arent you :)
<c0rnelius>
There is zero userland "pretty much" for arm64 on pis. Its pretty pathetic. So If I wanna test the cam, it needs to be armhf.
<buZz>
ah alright
<c0rnelius>
Judging by its current performance, even overclocked its just a 3b. So... Yeah I expect it to behave the same.
<c0rnelius>
Probs should have spent the money on some Scotch. :)
<buZz>
13 gbp scotch? meh :P
<[TheBug]>
we talking about new RPi Zero?
<[TheBug]>
might as well get an H3 device
<c0rnelius>
With shipping it was like a little over 23$
<[TheBug]>
well reason all Radxa stuff is gone is cause two different youtube videos put pressure on them
<c0rnelius>
True.
<buZz>
and ddr4
<[TheBug]>
other day there were 2Gb modles still
<c0rnelius>
Probs make a sweet lil kodi box.
<[TheBug]>
but now seems none
<c0rnelius>
ameridroid's waiting list is till Dec something I thinks?
<[TheBug]>
for Radxa stuff or?
<c0rnelius>
Yeah the Radxa
<[TheBug]>
honestly
<[TheBug]>
order direct from them, pick second shipping method it seems a bit more expensive but it will arrive in under 2 weeks and likely cost you less
<[TheBug]>
them = allnetchina.cn
<[TheBug]>
and if you have any questions chat them onthe site and tell Norbert I said whats up ;)
<nekomancer[m]>
all Radxa stuff is gone? Where I can read about it? what's going on there?
<[TheBug]>
There are still 4Gb version there at least
<[TheBug]>
c0rnelius: all my Radxa gear I have I have ordered from them directly at shop.allnetchina.cn and I have had very good experience with it -- using the slightly upgraded shipping is worth it if you are in USA though as it will expedite thing by 1-2 weeks over cheap shipping. And when I would price them vs Ameridroid it was often still cheaper with slightly more expensive shipping to order
<[TheBug]>
direct. The icing on the cake is their web chat is responsive and usually manned by 'Norbert' and he is awesome to deal with if you have any questions
<[TheBug]>
Though I do like Ameridroid as well, and have done business with them, in the case of Radxa stuff it may be better direct.
<c0rnelius>
[TheBug]: I usually get my Odroid stuff from Hardkernel as I dislike Ameridroid. But yeah... Just saying its hard to find at a reasonable price right now.
<[TheBug]>
ohh thats from memory
<[TheBug]>
reason they have what they do is it appears Radxa in advance of shortage ordered specific allotment
<[TheBug]>
so they have produced what they planned
<[TheBug]>
but a lot can't even get memory or if they can price is so high it outprices the board
<[TheBug]>
it's a shame
<[TheBug]>
why back in June I 'stocked' up on what I was gonna buy for the rest of the year
<[TheBug]>
I have some Rock 3A's here, shame though Armbian doesn't really have any support for them yet so
<[TheBug]>
and not yet had much success with pcie there eithe but probably due to needing to modify dtb a bunch
<TRS-80>
IgorPec: Actually, I was looking at that list initially with the thought to make the requested posts on PINE64 forum, as I been hanging out there a lot since I got my PinePhone. And then I started looking at the boards I own and that's when my heart sank. lol
<TRS-80>
I may have account on Odroid forums, but I am no where near as active there. And I don't know if Cubietruck even have forums (any more?)?
<steev>
TRS-80: the way to get the knowledge is start maintaining
<TRS-80>
steev: Also my work schedule is such that I cannot even maintain my own home / personal things, not just IT but vehicles, etc.
<TRS-80>
but I take your point
<steev>
relatable, it really is :D
<TRS-80>
But better less boards than no Armbian at all
<TRS-80>
I will just have to figure it out
<IgorPec>
we can't keep them all. that is fact.
<TRS-80>
yes I know
<TRS-80>
I guess I try for now to make some posts on vendor forums and see what happens
<IgorPec>
for rockpro64 and xu4 should be some interest, cubietruck ... old, but also there are users out there
<IgorPec>
still all board will remain in the build system, so its not that tragic after all
<TRS-80>
What is the code name for PineBook Pro? I don't see that on the list at all.
<buZz>
'plastic crap the second'
<buZz>
:D
<IgorPec>
it must be. pinebookpro
<TRS-80>
buZz: I thought Pro was metal frame, no?
<TRS-80>
at least part?
<buZz>
yeah it is a bit higher quality :)
<IgorPec>
if by chance there are two maintainers, that is not a problem
<buZz>
maybe survives 10x usage now
<buZz>
:D
<TRS-80>
I do know I read more than one thread about the hinges wearing out
<TRS-80>
actually just ripping out of the (plastic?) frame
<buZz>
i like to see pine64 or -whoever- just make a replacement thinkpad motherboard
<buZz>
get decent housing, screen , keyboard from lenovo
<buZz>
plonk in arm pcb
<buZz>
boom, done
<sunshavi>
buZz: nice dream
<buZz>
100% quality , (close to) 0% R&D
* TRS-80
was thinking about shoehorning a RK3399 into an actual old Classic ThinkPad
<TRS-80>
seriously thinking
<buZz>
sunshavi: i have many
<buZz>
:D
<buZz>
TRS-80: make it so
<buZz>
x230? :)
<TRS-80>
I don't know if I can live without nipple mouse
<buZz>
i have ~4 x230s in parts, i think
<TRS-80>
T60s
<buZz>
x230 has a nipple
<buZz>
T* is just luggables, i only like laptops
<TRS-80>
Yeah I mostly use as portable desktop
<TRS-80>
OK, added pinebookpro to the list (after re-sorting to make sure it wasn't already there)
<sunshavi>
my x220 has 6 Gb memory
<TRS-80>
nic
<TRS-80>
e
<sunshavi>
Yes.
<sunshavi>
How Do You guys compile gcc for arm-32 bits?. on device or cross-compilation
<IgorPec>
so far most is CC
<sunshavi>
VM?
<IgorPec>
mainly, yes
<IgorPec>
runners are ubuntu hirsute
<sunshavi>
Have You heard about cross-ng?
<IgorPec>
just heard never used
<sunshavi>
I am thinking on trying it. For archlinux. But I am also thinking if armbiam could use it too
<IgorPec>
i doubt we can do any major changes in this regard. too many other problems
<sunshavi>
But. I think VM is slower than cross-ng. I could be wrong
<IgorPec>
it is, but we essential troubles to sort first, while head count is not chaning
<IgorPec>
changing
<sunshavi>
sure Igor. I need gcc-11 on archlinux. I think before the end of the year I am going to try cross-ng. Let's see how it goes
<sunshavi>
gcc is most difficult to compile than the kernel
<IgorPec>
i believe so. if we start to dig into such areas, project would collaps. that's the problem
<sunshavi>
Yeah. man power is an issue always
<sunshavi>
hw is less an issue than man power
<IgorPec>
exactly
<IgorPec>
our build farm has currenly more then 250 cpu cores
<sunshavi>
nice.
<IgorPec>
time. i have to get up in a few hours ;)