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<steev>
what are you rambling about
<stipa>
about a huge joke
<steev>
i'd appreciate leaving the slurs for lgbt individuals out
<stipa>
steev: be real
<steev>
i am being real
<steev>
take that bullshit elsewhere
<stipa>
that's not bullshit
<steev>
it is, and it's also extremely off topic for here
<steev>
go post that bullshit on truth social or facebook or wherever you think people are welcoming of that kind of thinking
<stipa>
well, i look at things from a bigger picture, if you can't see it fuck off
<steev>
there is no need to call them "faggots" or "lady boys"
<steev>
that has absolutely nothing to do with some "bigger picture" and you're delusional
<stipa>
yeah, you're right, i'm mentally retarded
<steev>
you said it, not me
<stipa>
well, at least i'm aware of it
<steev>
and since you keep rambling in here, so are we
<stipa>
what are you of those two?
<steev>
does it matter?
<stipa>
id does
<steev>
why?
<stipa>
i want to know wgit what kind of mental complex i'm communicating
<steev>
i'm neither, but there are many open source contributors and users who are
<[TheBug]>
stipa bro.. off topic is okay but lets keep that kind of stuff somewhere else, there is no need to argue about it, you are allowed your views, it's just a channel on SBCs and Linux operating systems has nothing to do with that stuff and we don't really need it here
<[TheBug]>
not even trying to side with anyone, its just not needed to get people heated over off-topic stuff in here, want to fight about why Armbian doesn't work on RPi and how we shold make an image, go for it.. but that stuff...
<stipa>
[TheBug]: you forgot to mention the other contestant too
<[TheBug]>
I shouldn't have to I think you are reasonable enough not to take it personal and get my point
<stipa>
[TheBug]: there's nothing reasonable about it
<stipa>
taht's the point of it
<[TheBug]>
I said you are reasonable, so unless you are an 'it' I am not sure what you mean.
<stipa>
let's keep it real
<stipa>
and no one will tell me what i call something
<stipa>
or how
<[TheBug]>
no one did tell you how to call something, they just asked you not to discuss such subjects in here so we don't have to hear those things you like to call them and since it is offtopic, I don't have an hard time agreeing.
<stipa>
i'm just scanning, nothing else
<stipa>
[TheBug]: where should i put you?
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<c0rnelius>
Hmm. Feel like I'm in #devuan-arm all of sudden.
<stipa>
that must be steev favourite
<stipa>
what's going on over there?
<c0rnelius>
Nah its more in reference to ur unapologetic use of words, which don't offend me because I guess I was born in the south? But yeah... There was some good antisemitic shit going on over there not so long ago.
<stipa>
i'm a man, it's in our vocabulary
<c0rnelius>
I get it.
<stipa>
it's all out of sudden some laws and god know what forcing people how to call something or something
<c0rnelius>
There are people in my Family that are gay. Words don't bother me, nor them. Its just who they are.
<c0rnelius>
Anyway. Its whatever.
<stipa>
yeah, live and let others live
<stipa>
some simply don't get it
<c0rnelius>
Yea. I get that people don't wanna read it though. Go talk that shit at the bar, you know?
<stipa>
i openly talk like that around gay people
<c0rnelius>
Like over at devuan it was some pretty hardcore holocaust denier shit and I'm reading it thinking... So why are there less then 200 people on the planet with my surname if that didn't happen? I never commented on it because people are stupid. In the end the guy just got the boot.
<c0rnelius>
Pretty sure they are based out of Germany though over there? So maybe it was a "lets keep this clean" kind of thing.
<stipa>
yeah, germany stinks now bad
<stipa>
authorities are behaving there like it's holocaust towards their own
<stipa>
some mad ideas are popping
<c0rnelius>
There and Poland. But whatever :)
<stipa>
in Austira royalties took over the rule
<stipa>
Austria*
<c0rnelius>
I'm not there. Don't plan on ever going there.
<c0rnelius>
So I don't care much.
<stipa>
yeah, it's not so democratic anymore
<stipa>
not so peace, love and EU
<c0rnelius>
I do like Angela Merkel though. Not really her politics, but the fact she is kind of bad ass and has a doctorate in quantum chemistry.
<stipa>
yeah, idk, i don't think good about her
<stipa>
she just brought terrorism and rape in the EU
<stipa>
nothing nice about that
<c0rnelius>
I'm kind of siding on the... Maybe she wouldn't have killed most of my family thing? Could be wrong. Maybe she would have :)
<c0rnelius>
Who knows.
<c0rnelius>
Pesky Germans :)
<c0rnelius>
Always reminds me of that Norm MacDonald joke.
<stipa>
well, we can't do much about those kind of choices
<c0rnelius>
Sure can. Its called moving.
<stipa>
it's not about us
<stipa>
it's about the king
<stipa>
the king makes choices and police makes sure it's like that
<c0rnelius>
There is no king and there is no us. Haven't you figured it out yet?
<stipa>
i haven't
<c0rnelius>
Well keep working on it.
<c0rnelius>
You'll get it eventually.
<stipa>
could be
<c0rnelius>
I'm assuming ur talking about European royalty? Which spread as far as the UK to Russia? and beyond but is all but dead now.
<c0rnelius>
But thats all history lesson stuff. Not really arm related.
<stipa>
c0rnelius: Austrian royalty
<stipa>
like, rulers from the shadow
<c0rnelius>
Shadows? No these people were all of the same cloth.
<c0rnelius>
The Russian, German and British Royals were all related.
<stipa>
they're simply trying to save the economy by removing puppets from the political hierarchy
<c0rnelius>
Conspiracy stuff? I see.
<stipa>
it's economics
<c0rnelius>
and bullshit.
<stipa>
well
<stipa>
politicis isn't the top of the pyramid
<stipa>
it goes higher
<c0rnelius>
No shit. Its called Capitalism.
<stipa>
yeah, it's called money
<stipa>
and those above are coming down to fix the economy
<stipa>
it's a mess rn
<c0rnelius>
You need to pull ur head out of that gutter. You'll find nothing of virtue there.
<stipa>
it's just economy
<c0rnelius>
Yeah sure it is.
<stipa>
today in croatian news authorities admitted that vaccine isn't what they have expected
<c0rnelius>
Oh god lets not go there.
<stipa>
yeah.., you know the rest
<c0rnelius>
Its called the new flue shot. Anyone one with half a brain saw this coming.
<stipa>
yeah, dang...
<stipa>
i don't like what's coming at all
<stipa>
it'll be tight
<c0rnelius>
Granted my kids got the shot because well I don't want them to die.
<c0rnelius>
I haven't yet though.
<stipa>
people here have problems with third shot
<c0rnelius>
Pretty sure I've already had it once and will get it again like the flu :) Maybe next time it will get me.
<c0rnelius>
Not the shot... The virus.
<stipa>
if you have good gut flora you shouldn't be concerned about it
<c0rnelius>
Some places mandate some kind of paper work right?
<stipa>
where, what paper work?
<stipa>
oh, you mean research?
<c0rnelius>
Those passports they call them.
<c0rnelius>
Like you can't come here or go in this place with out proof?
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
it's different in every country
<stipa>
they plan to ban enterance in pubs and public places for non vaccinated over here
<c0rnelius>
So for the record if I needed to go there I would get the shot. I don't care, but until then, I'm just whatever. As long as my kids are safe I'm fine.
<stipa>
i understand, i would do that as well
<stipa>
but if i don't need to i wont
<c0rnelius>
exactly
<stipa>
well, majority who got the shots did the same
<stipa>
if they didn't enforce that no one would be happy to do it without a need
<stipa>
but at least they know now, but the sad thing is that around 5 billions was spent
<stipa>
by now on corona
<stipa>
in croatia
<stipa>
$
<stipa>
i hope they got that fact by now
<stipa>
in either case, it's a tough time in front of us all
<stipa>
Godspeed
<c0rnelius>
I'm honestly not worried about it. I kinda like masks. :)
<stipa>
i'm more worried about people being wild
<stipa>
you know, animals
<c0rnelius>
If you wanna get real. There are way to many people living in civilized societies. If we need to burn out the dead wood because they didn't get the memo, so be it.
<c0rnelius>
More Arm boards for us
<stipa>
i think fear could make of any civilized society extremely non civilized one
<c0rnelius>
I live in the US. Trust me I know. Can't turn a corner wanting to turn the other one these days.
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
live a day or two without food and everyone forgets moral and all that nice stuff
<c0rnelius>
Well not everyone. I'm not one of those people.
<stipa>
ha ha
<stipa>
ok, for you maybe three
<c0rnelius>
You ever read The Road, by Cormac McCarthy?
<c0rnelius>
If not do so.
<stipa>
nope
<c0rnelius>
I would say read all his stuff because its great literature, but its a touching Novel.
<stipa>
yeah, i see, there could be some ideas of what's waiting for us
<stipa>
coming*
<stipa>
usually i waste time only on manuals
<stipa>
there's a movie
<c0rnelius>
The movie is ok
<stipa>
Last man standing: what Cormac McCarthy made of my adaptation of The Road | Movies
<c0rnelius>
The book way more... True to human behavior
<stipa>
i think i haven't watched that one
<stipa>
yeah, if it's true some could have hard time digesting it
<stipa>
in a movie
<stipa>
i'll watch the movie this weekend
<c0rnelius>
That book of many I've read really touched me. I had to read it a few times.
<stipa>
a book, maybe when i retire
<stipa>
yeah, the book would be something without civilized society on earth
<c0rnelius>
Exactly. All off the rails.
<stipa>
yeah, probably what ever is in it is possible
<stipa>
in those kind of situations
<c0rnelius>
The movie is in much of the same vein but not as graphic I guess?
<stipa>
i'll trust you on that one
<c0rnelius>
Check it out. I think it might give you perspective. The book and movie sure did for me.
<c0rnelius>
Like in the end who do you wanna be? What morals do you wanna pass on to ur children? How hard do wanna fight to make sure ur kids are safe.
<stipa>
well, the good guy for sure
<stipa>
everyone is good in the end
<stipa>
even the bad ones
<c0rnelius>
Thats the real question left open in the story I believe? I left with thinking no one is good? He just died believing he did the right or best he could and tried to show that to the boy.
<c0rnelius>
Which is in the end... What its really about.
<stipa>
well, he probably killed and stabbed someone on the road
<stipa>
for the "good"
<c0rnelius>
For his boy. He did what he needed too. Yes.
<stipa>
i've been on the both sides
<stipa>
every thinks they're the good one
<c0rnelius>
But are they?
<c0rnelius>
Watch the movie :)
<c0rnelius>
and yeah read the book.
<stipa>
they are, they both want to survive and enjoy in what they do
<c0rnelius>
But there is a difference in doing so at the cost of someone else.
<stipa>
yeah, there are some flaws
<stipa>
but as long as you're secure it's ok
<c0rnelius>
Are we still the good guys?
<stipa>
the peace is the ultimate solution
<stipa>
c0rnelius: idk really, in the end it doesn't really matter
<c0rnelius>
It matters to me.
<stipa>
we are if we think so
<c0rnelius>
Thats no true. You know thats not true.
<stipa>
it is
<stipa>
sadly
<stipa>
everyone think like that and are ready to fight for what they think
<stipa>
even if it's wrong
<stipa>
the problem is how to leave everything as is and make a peaceful connection
<stipa>
betweene all those systems
<c0rnelius>
You aren't carrying the Fire, stipa. You aren't holding on to morality and instead justifying the horrors you may commit in service of some basic need to survive and losing ur self along the way. At least in that kind of thinking.
<stipa>
yeah, something like that
<c0rnelius>
Thats not what we should be passing on to our children.
<stipa>
you won't find many that can switch groups
<c0rnelius>
Well I'm not many
<stipa>
switching a group and staying sane is not an easy task
<stipa>
it's easier to fight
<c0rnelius>
Don't switch groups. Stand.
<c0rnelius>
If you know whats right in ur heart. You stand.
<stipa>
lol
<stipa>
it's more like learning about groups of people
<c0rnelius>
Or don't and be subjected zombie who just moves from group to group and has no loyalty or code.
<c0rnelius>
Whatever floats ur boat :)
<stipa>
i'm open about that and leaders of groups understand that
<c0rnelius>
ugh. I don't follow. But I'm hard headed. I like talking and finding common ground.
<stipa>
it's like
<stipa>
i can be friend with two groups that are in conflict
<c0rnelius>
Me too. Thats how I survived school :)
<stipa>
right, right
<stipa>
you got it now
<c0rnelius>
I was buddies with everyone and saw lots of messed up shit along the way.
<c0rnelius>
Didn't change my code though?
<c0rnelius>
I never lost myself
<stipa>
neither do i
<stipa>
so
<stipa>
every group thinks they're the good ones
<c0rnelius>
None of them are good.
<stipa>
right
<c0rnelius>
Neither are you and I.
<stipa>
twhat matters is which group would survive
<c0rnelius>
But he can hold are selves to a proper somewhat more "lets not hurt" people standard and all of us could live a better life.
<c0rnelius>
I know thats crazy thinking
<stipa>
yeah, peace
<stipa>
and repect of what other group does even if it sux
<c0rnelius>
Maybe I did to much LSD as teenager and beyond but... If we are ever going to make it off this planet, we need to get our shit together.
<stipa>
i don't see a need for that
<c0rnelius>
Need some unity
<stipa>
idk, there are some pretty messed stuff
<stipa>
but that group don't think so
<stipa>
or groups*
<c0rnelius>
I find these day, that what triggers people is fear. We need to someone to speak truth to power and ask us all. What better? Fighting or admitting we have common differences and those diffs don't matter?
<stipa>
by now no one found the solution
<c0rnelius>
Cold war ended
<stipa>
and what's scary is that state of things rn is the best it could be
<stipa>
which could be true
<c0rnelius>
Then cell phones and fakebook and social media and everyone has lost their way.
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<stipa>
well it's what it is, the current state of things
<stipa>
but
<stipa>
peeps on facebook and stuff are late commers
<stipa>
to the net
<stipa>
it was to expect that
<stipa>
what it is now, at least i did
<stipa>
i had hard time digesting it all
<stipa>
the net
<c0rnelius>
I think we still have a chance. It just won't be based on capitalistic ideals. As that is really the down fall. We need to find a medium... A nice center.
<stipa>
idk what it could be
<c0rnelius>
It still upsets me when they shoot another millionaire into space and call that a astronaut.
<c0rnelius>
Year of training and experience? Nope... Money!
<stipa>
who gives a fuck, i probably will never be able to afford it
<stipa>
and i don't really want it
<c0rnelius>
Took two weeks! I'm now up there with Armstrong and the boys.
<c0rnelius>
Its depressing and an insult.
<stipa>
well, someone has to fuel all that tech/space industry
<stipa>
with money
<c0rnelius>
Its not gonna be good.
<stipa>
yeah, something is fishy about it all
<c0rnelius>
The NASA space shuttle was a beta program and they killed what... 16 people I think? Over years and years which is a pretty good record. Lets see what this ass puppets do.
<stipa>
i guess removing all that mass from earth could fuck something up in balance of earth ecosystem or something
<c0rnelius>
what these*
<stipa>
well, there are collateral victims all the time
<stipa>
people in need of money
<stipa>
i would feel safe around all those smartasses
<stipa>
die in space, no way
<c0rnelius>
Feel better if they didn't have the money to out match a space agency.
<stipa>
?
<c0rnelius>
Those early astronauts were mostly test pilots and people whom trained for years. NOw most ifnot all of it is automated. Thats a problem waiting to happen.
<c0rnelius>
can you say hack?
<stipa>
i can
<c0rnelius>
Its not loking very good
<stipa>
it's cheap
<c0rnelius>
Amazon can't even keep ur password safe.
<stipa>
yeah, interent is falling apart
<stipa>
but it is going shit
<c0rnelius>
Its just not looking very good. Maybe old? I don't know.
<stipa>
i guess bad quality code and silicon
<stipa>
and everything else
<stipa>
but, that space shit they did, it's oke for fast travel
<stipa>
like on earth
<stipa>
rocets go fast out of orbit
<stipa>
so automated fast transport
<stipa>
it'll be like maybe planes
<stipa>
planes crash all the time
<stipa>
this time you'll or explode or freeze in space
<c0rnelius>
Just saying. These people have zero security and ur gonna feel safe flying in some old school 1946 rocket now shaped even more like a penis that can land its self after ejecting the head of the penis and land you in some sand dunes with some parachute?
<c0rnelius>
Seems like they are going backwards to me. Its more like a gimmick.
<stipa>
there are refillable rockets that land on ass
<lanefu>
the amazon shit is just a themepark ride used to fund do payloads of microsatelites
<c0rnelius>
They do like to save money. thats true
<stipa>
yeah, they work well, they'll launching sattelites with those all the time
<stipa>
lanefu: dang, now is like 15$ or so
<c0rnelius>
Poor Captain Kirk
<stipa>
150$ *
<lanefu>
Im glad Shatner went up, he's been one of the few that have managed to actually appreciate the experience
<stipa>
he should have brought whole crew with him
<c0rnelius>
I like the fact he went up... But on the Benzos penis rocket? Kind of insulting
<lanefu>
i mean yeah the blue origin thing looks absurd
<c0rnelius>
tottaly
<c0rnelius>
totally *
<lanefu>
but i dont think shatner could handle a 3 day orbit with spacex
<lanefu>
blue origin has the view, spacex has the real deal, and Virgin Galactic (had) the best weightless experience
<lanefu>
*couldnt handle 3 days
<stipa>
yeah, combo of them all sounds right
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<stipa>
they should all work on some standardized rocket thing for transport of people
<lanefu>
who is "they"
<stipa>
bezos, musk, virgin guy...
<stipa>
nasa
<lanefu>
and frankly that's what the Spacex Starliner is
<lanefu>
sorry Starship
<lanefu>
starliner is defense contractor fail platform
<stipa>
i dunno
<stipa>
i guess it would be fastest that they all just work together on that and standardize it
<lanefu>
nah they all have vastly different approaches
<stipa>
there's no need to complicate such complex thing
<lanefu>
the lessons learned from all of them will get us there
<stipa>
esentially it's the same lesson
<lanefu>
but effectively you're saying "Ford, GM and Chrysler" should all worktogether and standardize on an electric car
<lanefu>
and well when tons of big companies work together on an engineer project
<c0rnelius>
Nah I think the US should refund NASA and get things back on the road to real space exploration.
<lanefu>
... you get NASA budget complexity like the space shuttle
<stipa>
yeah, it should be simple and world wide collab
<c0rnelius>
Space shuttle was a beta project.
<c0rnelius>
They lost funding and decided to build a dumbass space station
<lanefu>
shuttle was sketch but awsome
<lanefu>
like
<lanefu>
the most american thing ever
<lanefu>
they literraly made a pick-up truck for space
<stipa>
well
<stipa>
with tech from starlink for lift off could do the trick
<stipa>
that shuttle*
<c0rnelius>
Exactly it was awesome. If they put in more effort and had funding we would be on the moon right now chilling
<lanefu>
probably with shuttle is the level of fuel and booster rocket shit you'd need to get to the moon
<c0rnelius>
Which would be more cost effective. Launching anything from the moon would cost less.
<lanefu>
yeah, just saying shuttle wasnt the platfomr to goto the moon
<lanefu>
the booster rockets would have to be like double
<c0rnelius>
Not saying it was, but... if we moved forward. Or thought foward it would have become a better platform for exploration.
<lanefu>
yeah
<lanefu>
like if they could have gotten a new clean-slate unlimited budget
<c0rnelius>
yeah
<lanefu>
but that was cold-war culture
<stipa>
it's ok i guess but there's not much profit in driving people around yet
<c0rnelius>
now all we got 1946 penis rockets :\
<lanefu>
more of a personal massager
<stipa>
it's probably best aerodynamic shape for that tasl
<stipa>
task*
<c0rnelius>
yeah. sad
<lanefu>
nah their justification was based around logistics
<lanefu>
biggest thing they could fit on a semi truck
<lanefu>
then they uhhh
<lanefu>
mushroom
<lanefu>
from an engineer perspective was the optimal choice for yadda yadda
<lanefu>
but yeah.. sometimes you still gotta say no
<lanefu>
lol
<c0rnelius>
I think we went backwards... Its turning into a bad Aliens movie where corporations are gonna control space.
<lanefu>
corporations wnat to kill citizens with freedom, and governments wants to control citizens with safety
<lanefu>
so i guess pick one
<stipa>
it's a necessary evil, without them it would never have happened
<c0rnelius>
Plus NASA and the Russians already put so much trash out there orbiting the planet currently its only gonna make it that much worse.
<lanefu>
it's just tech debt
<lanefu>
lol
<stipa>
yeah, i wonder how they even move up there with all that crap
<c0rnelius>
:)
<c0rnelius>
If you think Amazon cares about you more than say NASA lets... think again.
<lanefu>
given our track record on global warming
<lanefu>
i don't think cleaning up space is gonna get over the line
<c0rnelius>
Yeah its not looking good.
<lanefu>
then we'll be trapped on the hell we created
<lanefu>
damn you guys are downers
<lanefu>
look at this pecismism coming out of me
<stipa>
who?
<stipa>
what
<c0rnelius>
But I am also one of those people who believe in global climate shifting. Shit happens here regardless.
<stipa>
shift my ass
<lanefu>
like i believe in _shifting_ but we're way beyond that threshold
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
no shift
<stipa>
for the startes no one know what to shift
<lanefu>
like if you sleep in bed with a tight sheet and fart it in all night, things are gonna be the same
<stipa>
they're just blaming everyone and expect someone will do something smart
<c0rnelius>
Review the literature. Not saying people aren't a cause and effect, but... the we are a blink in the eye of the planet. It does stuff regardless and will survive without us.
<lanefu>
*not gonna be hte same
<stipa>
yeah, we're just meaningless in all that crap
<c0rnelius>
exactly
<stipa>
thinking you could change something about it is just childlish
<stipa>
you can just run and maybe not even that
<stipa>
maybe lucky
<c0rnelius>
Maybe people made a contributions as much as cow farts, who can say? But to place them blame on people is retarded? What we should do is notice and make the adjustment. In my opinion.
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<stipa>
yeah, adaptation seems like the only way
<stipa>
nature is just to powerful
<lanefu>
accepting then adapting would be more optimal
<c0rnelius>
Thats where I stand on it.
<c0rnelius>
Lets drop the blame or whatever game and just deal with it.
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
not even that is easy
<lanefu>
yeah tell an old timer to stop smoking because its bad for them
<c0rnelius>
Wll lets not go that far :)
<c0rnelius>
We need them grumpy old people.
<stipa>
they're too wise
<c0rnelius>
Sure they are... Not gonna learn nothing without knowing ur history.
<stipa>
history is important
<stipa>
i got that from a guy
<stipa>
he's right
<c0rnelius>
As much as we may disagree, we need not forget. They come in handy.
<stipa>
things get clear about topic if history of it is understood
<stipa>
yeah, some things aren't nice
<stipa>
about the history
<lanefu>
yeah too bad the internet and social media destroyed the work of historians and journalists
<c0rnelius>
lanefu: Can't help but agree
<c0rnelius>
Kids now-a-days are borderline zombies.
<stipa>
yeah, it's all about the profit
<lanefu>
there will be no history for then ext generation.... no old letters and artifacts
<stipa>
keeping kids dumb is a good thing from the perspective of capitalism
<archetech>
to teach history at univ level you have to get approved by the dark powers who say what can be taugh the professors dont get to just teach truth
<c0rnelius>
Does it remind you of anything? WWII... Book burning?
<lanefu>
well i mean of course there's misinformation and surpression
<lanefu>
but literally just the fact that our data is all digital
<c0rnelius>
Yeah thats not good.
<lanefu>
in a lot of ways will make it easier to lose
<c0rnelius>
I'm all about paper :)
<lanefu>
and on top of that, the singal noise ration of good info vs bad info is terribleto sift through
<lanefu>
archetech: i assume you're talking about private Christian schools leaning on creationism
<archetech>
example abe lincoln background education law career messed w/ the wrg peeps bye bye
<archetech>
they dont teach that story
<stipa>
yeah, good data is burried deep on the net
<stipa>
in*
<archetech>
same for JFK
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<lanefu>
yeah you got some bedside confession on JFK and lincoln?
<archetech>
no just Hoffa
<lanefu>
okay what threat did JFK pose to the teamsters?
<archetech>
he threatened to disassemble the cia
<lanefu>
what the fuck does tht have to do with Jimmy Hoffa
<archetech>
and some israel stuff
<archetech>
hoffa isnt comparable to jfk cia plan
<stipa>
i wish i understood that internal US stuff
<stipa>
seems interesting
<archetech>
on this level of real history 99% of pop knows nothing
<lanefu>
yeah how'd you find the truth
<stipa>
at least you can make a choice
<stipa>
pop or not
<archetech>
some insiders that spoke up
<lanefu>
to you?
<archetech>
no to investigaors
<lanefu>
and then you got a report from the investigators?
<archetech>
yes they publish it then it gets buried
<lanefu>
but you got a copy?
<archetech>
google how many press reporters have died in last 10 yrs you'll get an idea how dangerous real info right now is
<lanefu>
but you're saying you know the truth
<archetech>
I dont like your sarcastic tone
<stipa>
:D
<stipa>
well,
<stipa>
if legit reporters died researching the same info...
<archetech>
so now go back to your blather about what ya think is history ;)
<stipa>
to kill someone it has to be a very good reason
<archetech>
not to these peeps
<stipa>
people are usually not worth a bullet
<stipa>
but to kill someone and waste money on it, it has to be something very important
<stipa>
like, to make an effort and waste some money in the process
<archetech>
whats cost got to do with this topic
<archetech>
these peeps have no $ probs
<stipa>
they would if what you claim is a truth
<stipa>
it would be a problem*
<archetech>
you off on some tangent
<archetech>
read the pentagon papers its 45 yrs old
<archetech>
good primer
<archetech>
and watch 3 days of the condor
<stipa>
i'm not interested into the topic
<stipa>
could you like tell it in few words?
<archetech>
try wkipedia ya lazy ...
<archetech>
takes effort to be informed
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<stipa>
maybe tomorrow
<stipa>
is there a documentary about it ?
<archetech>
ty for being a typ example of todays sheep
<stipa>
i usually fire some scifi and call it a day
<archetech>
you harp alot about things being wrong broken in tech world it would behoove you get some facts vs just harping imo
<stipa>
well, i don't know what better than things not working would be a fast to you
<stipa>
fact*
<archetech>
maybe start with who big tech takes their orders from kind of thing
<stipa>
lol
<stipa>
if you can't make something right then don't do it
<stipa>
blaming someone who gave it an order is lame
<archetech>
complaining is lame
<stipa>
yeah, right,
<stipa>
i'm sick of half working electronics
<archetech>
buy better stuff my n2 is fabulous
<stipa>
maybe you should buy some crap for a change
<archetech>
lol I started with a a rock64
<archetech>
it dont get any worse
<archetech>
so after moaning about it the devs here said its a lost cause and they were right
<stipa>
i'm talking about electronics in general
<archetech>
so I upped my budget prob solved vs complaining to rockchip who could care less
<archetech>
I have lots of perfectly operating gear
<stipa>
i dont
<stipa>
it's mostly crap
<stipa>
that could be improved upon
<archetech>
like anything product research is required to lower the odds of being dissatisfied
<stipa>
if everything would be perfect life wouldn have been so interesting
<stipa>
universe is one big problem that needs a fix
<archetech>
take it up with the Creator
<stipa>
nah, i prefer it this way
<stipa>
there's something to live for
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<c0rnelius>
Some people look at it from a user point of view where other people look at it, as I wanna understand it.
<c0rnelius>
RK3328 though is kinda shit. But the only reason the N2/+ rocks is because there is an actual effort to make it work.
<archetech>
so a crap design just needs more devs eh
<c0rnelius>
I will says this. RK3328 is way better than it was say 2 years ago? Its kinda functional and RK3399 is a beast.
<c0rnelius>
Well it needs eyes
<archetech>
my point is the board uses good parts and is designed and made right
<c0rnelius>
Well the N2 isn't perfect
<archetech>
the added proper amt of dev work is true
<c0rnelius>
If you wanna run the N2 on mainline uboot and kernel there are things you need to account for. Plus have you seen how large the patch set for that is?
<archetech>
but thats on top of good design vs flawed or cheap design
<archetech>
id guess the patchset is majority for panfrost
<c0rnelius>
I'd fuck with it if I had the chance. Looks like fun.
<c0rnelius>
It was announced forever ago but never really released I believe?
<c0rnelius>
Not on a large scale
<archetech>
mediatek has a new chip coming for chromebook
<c0rnelius>
Whats that looks like?
<archetech>
8xxx model
<archetech>
idk yet
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> N2 have a better gpu
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> But inside x11 is clearly.less pergorming than rk3399
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Less memory bandwidth and x11 are not a good mix
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> Inside Xorg, what matters it's memory bandwidth, the gpu it's less relevant. I have very disappointing performances on odroid n2 gpu performance inside X
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<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> guys
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> I completely forgot the name of that russian meta library
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> it was like "gen" something
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> i cant remember
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> libgen
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> okay
<Armbian-Discord>
<NeonFetch> got it
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<stipa>
i guess at least as socs are maintained and working there's no need for mainline
<stipa>
if it has no value to linus then there's no point in pushing it
<stipa>
but, i guess, tweaking i still in progress
<stipa>
is still*
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> Mainlining itself means little. Most of boards we deal with are mainlined
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> Apple m1 is also in the kernel
<stipa>
that one is of particular interest
<stipa>
but m1 seems huge compared to the sbc socs
<stipa>
that'll take some time
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<stipa>
i have a stupid bug somewhere in the network, my weechat reconnects when i use zoom
<stipa>
what's interesting they're not even running on the same machin
<lanefu>
The interesting thing about the m1 is most of the fancy stuff is completely abstracted by firmware and so the kernel just has to basically make API calls. In a lot of ways mainlining m1 is proving to be cleaner codewise than a lot of the arm stuff
<lanefu>
stipa: yeah that's super weird
<stipa>
yeah, next time i'll try to setup zoom on my linux workstation, this time it was win 10 laptop
<stipa>
if that doesn't fix it i'll have to sniff the network traffic
<stipa>
i guess the M1 will be good buy when it gets cheaper
<stipa>
judging by how fast apple launches new product it could be soon
<stipa>
linux will be a good value to it
<lanefu>
stipa: when do you sleep
<lanefu>
happy Diwali!
<stipa>
lanefu: i had slept for 4 hours, had an english class a moment ago
<stipa>
i'll probably crash soon
<stipa>
lanefu: it's not snakes day this time
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<yangmobile>
oh its diwali today, how nice. happy diwali!
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<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Is the H3 still supported by the latest and greatest armbian?
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> I’ll try an older version just to see — maybe my new ssd is the point of failure
<[TheBug]>
klipe: what kind of issue are you seeing? and with which image?
<[TheBug]>
also which board
<[TheBug]>
if you tell me I can try and replicate
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> When i boot from the latest Nanopi-neo / Buster image i just get a blank screen, 2 flashes on green and solid red, H3 with lcd “hat”
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Documentation seems to indicate it will pickup an IP on DHCP, but i don’t see anything, also tried 192.168.1.xxx to find it but couldn’t
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> H3 works — it will boot up fine with the ssd it came with
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> So PSU is probably good too
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Maybe bran new sandisk 32gb ssd I’m trying to use for armbian/buster is bad
<[TheBug]>
hmm intersting
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Downloading the oldest image from 2018 now
<sunshavi>
enable console logs. and see where it halts when booting
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> I don’t have a serial connection to it — unless i can use a usb2serial adapter
<sunshavi>
perhaps. You would need to patch the kernel for supporting an speedier emmc
<sunshavi>
i did that when changing from 16Gb built-in emmc to to 64Gb+microSDAdapter
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<stipa>
The Zoom client uses OpenSSL 1.0.0
<stipa>
same shit libera uses
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<stipa>
or not, sasl
<stipa>
seems like it does both
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<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Older image was a no-go
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> Software requires buster so i think I’m screwed on this project
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> I’ll try another ssd just to be sure
<Armbian-Discord>
<klipe> msd even
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<nekomancer[m]>
Yesterday I build `edge` image of bullseye. Today I boot it, and `upgrade` gets me `Unpacking linux-image-edge-rockchip64 (21.11.0-trunk.29) over (21.11.0-trunk)`
<nekomancer[m]>
huh? Seems it replace my just-build packages with older from repo?
<nekomancer[m]>
Preparing to unpack .../linux-image-edge-rockchip64_21.11.0-trunk.29_arm64.deb ...
<nekomancer[m]>
ls: cannot access '/var/lib/initramfs-tools': No such file or directory
<buZz>
nekomancer[m]: 21.11.0-trunk.29 is a higher version than 21.11.0-trunk