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<alMalsamo>
Hi all, i was researching the SiFive SoCs but I couldn't find the HDL source code anywhere and I realized they are proprietary chips which is massively disappointing... all this talk about "open source ISA" and the biggest manufacturer releases chips just as proprietary as shitty ARM SoCs... massively dissappointing
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<la_mettrie>
well, your expections were clearly set too high
<jjido>
There is a source somewhere no? But it's a simpler chip
<alMalsamo>
jjido: I couldn't find SiFive sources anywhere, do you have a link? Or know what license it uses?
<jjido>
alMalsamo forget about SiFive
<alMalsamo>
jjido: Well know of any libre HDL RISC-V chips? Preferably copylefted?
<la_mettrie>
i'd like to know if other SoC manufacturers are more ambitious in this respect
<jimwilson_>
alMalsamo, an open ISA doesn't mean the cores are open, but there are a few open proprietary cores (like t-head c9xx) and many open non-proprietary cores, see https://riscv.org/exchange/cores-socs/
<jimwilson_>
SiFive does not maintain the freedom repo anymore, and no longer sells rocket-chip based parts, see instead https://github.com/chipsalliance
<la_mettrie>
how open beagleboard is supposed to be?
<alMalsamo>
jjido: Hmm that repo has sources for FPGA kits, not SoC ASICs like I am more interested in, and it isn't copylefted unfortunately and it doesn't seem to be maintained anymore
<alMalsamo>
Esmil: Hmm Mulan Permissive Software License，Version 2 wtf is that lol
<jimwilson_>
beaglev beta board uses a SiFive core inside the StarFive SoC, I don't know the vendor for the replacement board
<Esmil>
alMalsamo: it's a chinese university project. they say it's similar to Apache 2.0. i forget where their talk is
<la_mettrie>
alMalsamo: isn't it a bit picky to ask for copyleft (GPL-like) license? at this point we have to be glad if we get something truly open out
<alMalsamo>
la_mettrie: Well I would prefer strong copyleft to ensure other components on a system board are similarly licensed... I wouldn't want a machine with some chips with code available connected to proprietary blobs on the same board
<jimwilson_>
I don't know of any free SoCs, people still have to license stuff like pads and DDR memory controllers
<jimwilson_>
and pcie controllers
<Esmil>
alMalsamo: you'll need to wait quite a while for that. at some point you'll need the chip actually manufactured, which means it needs to have gpio's etc. which depend on the very proprietary process of the factory