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<immibis>
hotplugging SATA drives on my desktop feels wrong, but now I have drive B on sdb, drive C on sdc and drive D on sdd :P
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<immibis>
on the other upside i managed to find all of my hard drives in my room (don't put your extra hard drives in one big stack for obvious reasons)
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<heat>
As shown in the patchseries that introduced the zswap same-filled
<heat>
optimization [1], 10-20% of the pages stored in zswap are same-filled.
<heat>
this is nuts lol
<zid>
omg, shark filled pages
<immibis>
how many of them are zero-filled?
<immibis>
and who is same-filling pages with values other than zero? maybe 0xCD on microsoft systems...
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<heat>
presumably the vast majority of them are zero-filled since this is linux and as far as I'm aware no popular allocator fills memory up with such a canary
<nikolar>
not even as a debug feature?
<heat>
maybe but this is a prod workload in meta
<heat>
meta's servers that is
<zid>
The allocator in tgm3 fills everything with DEADBEEF
<zid>
you're welcome
<heat>
"as only 1% of the same-filled pages are non-zero" there you have it
<nikolar>
interesting
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<pounce>
heat: you work at meta??
<nikolar>
lol
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<nikolar>
he's most definitely not working at meta
<heat>
this is an lkml patch
<heat>
nikolar, yeah i've only had 2 meta job offers
<heat>
i'll take the third i swear
<pounce>
noooo don't do it
<pounce>
not worth
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<heat>
it's actually somewhat attractive
<pounce>
yes!
<heat>
they have linux kernel shit in switzerland
<pounce>
that's the danger D:
<pounce>
hrm
<pounce>
ok well when i worked there
<pounce>
in IT
<heat>
what's dangerous?
<pounce>
that it's comfortable
<pounce>
the kernel folks were special snowflakes and got some devices without our spyware so that they could debug the kernel easier
<pounce>
so that sounds nice
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<heat>
is meta objectively bad these days?
<heat>
it was no amazon a few years ago
<nikolar>
yeah i'd say they are bad
<pounce>
my partner is thinking about applying at google ch so i can't throw stones
<heat>
why is meta bad?
<pounce>
working there or for society at large
<heat>
good pay and benefits, cool work
<heat>
working there ofc
<pounce>
oh
<pounce>
having to listen to zucc
<pounce>
also they killed internal IRC :(
<nikolar>
oh i didn't say it was a bad workplace
<heat>
THE ZUCK
<pounce>
so you have to really like fb marketplace
<nikolar>
just that the company sucks
<pounce>
err
<pounce>
fb messenger
<pounce>
fb whatever the hell
<heat>
oh eww
<pounce>
heat: yeah i was part of the last irc resistence
<heat>
is it the actual fb messenger?
<pounce>
"facebook workplace messenger"
<heat>
sounds better? i hope?
<pounce>
workplace is facebook but for companies to use internally
<zid>
What was that headline
<pounce>
WAIT they're killing it???
<nikolar>
kek
<zid>
"Zuckerburg, whose Facebook platform was recently criticized for aiding the genocide in Myanmar, said his greatest regret is not getting better at squash"
<pounce>
lmao. anyway i left a year ago
<the_oz>
bookface intrabodily messenger
<pounce>
but i can guarantee that irc is still dead
<pounce>
ops had to switch to mattermost
<pounce>
in case of emergencies
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<the_oz>
you use it to comm with your bodyparts
<pounce>
which, get this
<heat>
good, burry irc
<heat>
bury
<pounce>
has to go down once a quarter to do a db vacuum!
<pounce>
love when ops software has to do that
<the_oz>
IRC is still alive due to justin.tv
<immibis>
IRC was still mainstream when there was justin.tv
<the_oz>
>twitch kiddos
<zid>
justin.tv died a long ass time ago
<pounce>
twitch still uses ircv3
<zid>
and twitch no longer uses irc, it has an oath frontend and shit
<pounce>
it does! the internal service is an ircd
<zid>
I'm sure, but you could say the same about a lot of things tbh
<pounce>
lol
<pounce>
oath and irc aren't compatible unless you're a boomer
<the_oz>
terminator will have an ircd
<pounce>
who needs their grandchild to oath their connection for them
<zid>
irc is either the rfc or it ain't, otherwise basically anything I cobble together to let me message people is irc
<zid>
and imo twitch is now definitely the later rather than the former, after their changes
<pounce>
Jeremy!! why does it say my irc needs a token??
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<pounce>
zid: the token is a PASS which is in the spec
<zid>
last I tried, they'd removed channels and modes and all sorts
<zid>
and all that's handled elsewhere now
<zid>
(80MB of javascript, presumably)
<the_oz>
zid, what is it called when you evolve distinctly from a thing? Do you not still assume ship of theseus is what it is and was?
<the_oz>
treat it like a monolith and suffer, wasn't meant to be one
<pounce>
heat: oh, also the Hack
<heat>
what
<pounce>
if you don't like PHP then a lot of fb's codebase is written in it
<pounce>
a lot of kernel devtools are python too, but they're switching to rust
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<zid>
I'm sure suffering over here, using the same irc client for the past 25 years to connect to hundreds of servers, damn those monolithic standards
<zid>
wish libera had its own software stack
<Ermine>
heat: I love the fact they collaborated on that paper just to enable the joke
<zid>
would be so much better
<the_oz>
because change only happens via rfc
<the_oz>
the definer of thangs
<zid>
yes, we typically do decide on standards via communication with others
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<zid>
the fact twitch didn't is what makes it so incompatible
<zid>
and not a real irc network
<heat>
pounce, i dont particularly care about the company as long as i work on the kernel without much issues and the benefits are nice
<heat>
couldn't care less that fb is PHP hell :P
<pounce>
i mean, you'd still have to use their dumb communication tools
<pounce>
but yeah makes sense
<heat>
as long as they don't write modules in it i'm fine
<the_oz>
ircd doesn't care about interoperability with other daemons, which may or may not be other ircd
<the_oz>
it's completely a false tenet that it's required to do to be a thing in its own right
<pounce>
heat: eh i'd say go for it then. they pay a lot and aren't that strict i think
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<pounce>
im glad to be out and back in school
<heat>
we'll see. not sure if i'm going for a masters anyway
<heat>
and i like living here :(
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<pounce>
fb gave me a NUMA machine :D
<heat>
ooooh
<pounce>
so that's fun
<heat>
weren't they giving out macbooks before?
<pounce>
well yeah but they have custom hardware
<pounce>
for VR and such
<pounce>
they ordered this one bc it could technically fit 3 RTX 3080s or something
<heat>
you worked on VR?
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<nikolar>
what rock have you lived under for the past 5 years heat
<nikolar>
oh i completely misread that
<nikolar>
disregard
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<kof673>
> we need ship of theseus backwards compatibility "and a crow, floating in a black sea"...you must putrify. "black sail" -- nicholas flamel, others surely