06:58 <freemangordon> Wizzup: https://pastebin.com/vTeeB3hM

06:58 <freemangordon> any clue?

06:59 <freemangordon> hmm https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.bugs.dist/c/OfO3W1b_a18

07:04 <freemangordon> perhaps a remnant from old devuan

07:05 <freemangordon> though, nftables was upgraded, it shoulkd have de-registered that fiel

07:05 <freemangordon> *file

10:50 <Wizzup> freemangordon: no, never saw that

12:09 <uvos> Wizzup: leste would benefit from systemd mutch more than pmos

12:09 <uvos> Wizzup: for one thing system includes all the features of dsme in a mutch better way

12:10 <uvos> systemd also has the concept of session deamons which would vastly improve the managment of the services running as user from the current approch of using xsession scripts

12:11 <uvos> systemd also has niceties like cgroup management and readahead management which could be used to improve performance

16:02 <freemangordon> uvos: still, that would require effort we'd better not take now

16:03 <freemangordon> too much other more important things are missing/not fully functional

16:04 <freemangordon> umm, *too many

18:37 <freemangordon> Wizzup: re h-d PR: 'debian' menu kinda looks like a hack, because what if it is not debian/leste? I think the proper way to implement that is to have files merged without having to include them in hildon.menu, but something like run-parts. However, until we are at the point to fix that I think we can live with current implementation.

18:40 <Wizzup> freemangordon: I think the xdg menu spec does not allow this

18:40 <Wizzup> okay, so shall I merge it now?

18:40 <freemangordon> yes

18:40 <freemangordon> I commented

18:42 <freemangordon> Wizzup: https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-status-menu/pull/4

18:44 <Wizzup> looks good to me

18:44 <freemangordon> ok, will fix whitespace issue and will merge

18:44 <Wizzup> also commented there

18:44 <Wizzup> btw there is still this open pr from uvos from 2021 https://github.com/maemo-leste/hildon-status-menu/pull/3

18:45 <freemangordon> yeah

18:45 <Wizzup> I commented here https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/376

18:47 <freemangordon> will have to discuss with uvos if notes like "Due to the version of gdbus-codegen being to old currently the processed" are still relevant

18:48 <Wizzup> yeah that's why I asked if the PR was up to date :)

18:55 <Wizzup> freemangordon: again not super relevant, but what did you think about my point regarding the -mr0 packages

18:56 <freemangordon> I think we shall leave them as it is

18:56 <freemangordon> 150 MB is not that much

18:56 <Wizzup> ok, but then for the small image generation I will have to hack it

18:56 <Wizzup> +mkdir /usr/share/locale_tmp

18:56 <Wizzup> +cp -a /usr/share/locale/en* /usr/share/locale_tmp/

18:56 <Wizzup> +rm -rf /usr/share/locale

18:56 <Wizzup> +mv /usr/share/locale_tmp /usr/share/locale

18:57 <freemangordon> can't you create compresses directoet or something?

18:57 <freemangordon> *compressed

18:57 <Wizzup> no, it's way too bit still

18:57 <freemangordon> or even compressed rootfs

18:57 <Wizzup> and it's also not used because on newer images we have only en_US and en_GB

18:58 <freemangordon> see, it is not that I am aginst that

18:58 <freemangordon> I just don;t think we shall do it *now*

18:58 <Wizzup> right

18:58 <Wizzup> I agree

18:58 <freemangordon> lets finish conversations and ccellular stuff first

18:58 <Wizzup> at least 54 of our packages do this

18:59 <freemangordon> so, we shall re-think the way we use it

18:59 <freemangordon> and then implement it

18:59 <freemangordon> but not now, please

18:59 <Wizzup> I'll make an issue for it

18:59 <freemangordon> right

19:02 <Wizzup> :D

19:05 <freemangordon> my ec25 just arrived

19:05 <freemangordon> so now I can test multiple-modem setup

19:17 <Wizzup> great

19:17 <Wizzup> I still can't get it to actually work anymore in my vm on my laptop (my eg25)

19:36 <k1r1t0> Hello, is it possible to restore booting after dist-upgrade from devel on Nokia n900?\

20:39 <sicelo> Wizzup: uvos: i wonder about that question from k1r1t0 ... maybe something's wrong with the kernel packaging? someone asked yesterday or the day before (or was it this same user?)>

20:39 <sicelo> either way, i also have a broken kernel on my d4 since a couple of days ago. i have been a bit busy, so haven't really been able to fix it. i was thinking it's because i'm on experimental...

20:40 <sicelo> it appears 6.6 got installed, but its modules were somehow not there. i don't know what exactly is the issue with k1r1t0, but it's a bit suspicious

20:49 <arno11> sicelo: i didn't notice any troubles with -devel, 6.1.76 works fine

20:50 <arno11> maybe k1r1t0 apt source list was wrong (?)

20:56 <sicelo> maybe

21:06 <Wizzup> sicelo: wait how did you get 6.6

21:06 <Wizzup> that is experimental only

21:06 <Wizzup> and yes it might be broken

21:07 <sicelo> yeah, experimental. i don't mind since i did enable the repo myself. i should be able to restore the old kernel soon. i was just wondering about the report from the user above

22:34 <uvos> freemangordon: Wizzup: i dont know if the gdbus-codegen comment is still relevent

22:35 <uvos> one thing about this pr is: its better than nothing, but it leaves a lot to be deisred too

22:35 <uvos> for one it dosent support some parts of the StatusNotifierItem spec as described in the pr

22:35 <uvos> the other thing is that we dont support XdgDbusMenu spec

22:35 <uvos> which is often used in tandem with StatusNotifierItem

22:37 <uvos> the XdgDbusMenu spec would be of great value to implement, becasue it allows us to give lots of applications touch frendly and maemo themed uis for essentally free, besides implementing the spec

22:38 <uvos> the networkmanager applet is for instance a heavy user and would be able to look exactly like the icd applet if XdgDbusMenu is implemented

23:43 <diejuse> Maemo Leste via proot ready to install for all Android 8+ phones

23:43 <diejuse> https://github.com/diejuse/proot_MaemoLeste_on_Android

23:43 <diejuse> Demo with Blackberry Keyone https://youtu.be/1gHT4MTAo0g

23:46 <Wizzup> how do people make the tar that you have on dropbox?

23:46 <Wizzup> can we put that on github or something?

23:46 <Wizzup> banger music again :D

23:48 <diejuse> I tried to upload on github but small limit

23:48 <Wizzup> there's a lot of things missing that could be nice to have at some point

23:49 <Wizzup> a lot of the conversations stuff, chat stuff, built in browser, notifications, maemo translate, gps maps, email, etc

23:49 <diejuse> no problems with dropbos, downloading with wget without problems

23:49 <diejuse> I have created a first basic image that does not cause problems on Android.

23:49 <Wizzup> yes, but it would be good to have a way to go from a leste image to where you got so that others can reproduce it :)

23:50 <Wizzup> yes, that's great :D

23:50 <Wizzup> very cool though

23:50 <diejuse> For example app manager does not work. You can see the applications in the repository but you can only download them from the terminal with "apt install"

23:51 <diejuse> However, you can install debian apps with synaptic.

23:52 <diejuse> yes, but it would be good to have a way to go from a leste image to where you got so that others can reproduce it :)  => I will continue investigating but... it is wonderful that thousands (millions) of Android users can now use a minimum of Maemo Leste, right?

23:54 <diejuse> My dream of anyone going to a store, buying their Android phone (cheap or expensive) and without rooting being able to have a minimum of Maemo Leste in 15 minutes... has been fulfilled! hehe