<uvos__>
if you like you could add a flag for this
<Wizzup>
yeah, I think we would probably want this, because then for example I could ask arno11 for logs if he can't hangup
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<arno11>
Wizzup: few more things: incoming notifications work with sip msg's, in fact sip msg works perfectly :)
<arno11>
able to make/take sip calls with no sound of course
<arno11>
ucm profile switch doesn't work btw so impossible to get audio sync
<arno11>
but even switching profile by hand, it still doesn't work
<arno11>
ah, in fact outgoing doesn't work. i wonder if stun and other stuff are ok (?)
<arno11>
because it works for incoming
<arno11>
no issue with hangup using sip btw
<arno11>
and PA source/sink threads don't start during sip call
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<arno11>
that's all i know for the moment. Huge improvement with conversations anyway :)
<arno11>
(ah and sending sms to a new contact works fine)
<Wizzup>
arno11: yes but the incoming msg notifications only work if conversations is not open
<Wizzup>
arno11: I haven't gotten sip audio to work at all so far
<Wizzup>
17:53 < arno11> because it works for incoming
<Wizzup>
you got any audio at all??
<arno11>
nope, just answering and hangup
<Wizzup>
ah ok
<Wizzup>
yeah there's a lot to figure out theres still
<Wizzup>
I haven't really messed with the options in the rtcom accounts ui, but I wouldn't necessarily expect the problem to just be of the nature of finding the right settings
<Wizzup>
for example, I need to fix the module to deal with some subtle differences compared to regular calls, there seem to be additional states
<arno11>
ok
<Wizzup>
maybe I just didn't get the right sdcard for my n900 yet but I still find the performance abysmal
<Wizzup>
but I also don't overclock it yet I guess
<Wizzup>
maybe abysmal is not the right word, but not ... great :)
<arno11>
weird, even with stock freqs it works fine
<arno11>
(even compared to my redmi with proot btw)
<freemangordon>
dsc_: I wonder on what device do you test
<freemangordon>
d4?
<dsc_>
freemangordon: this screenshot is from QEMU, but for physical testing I use d4
<dsc_>
the reason I use VNC is unrelated
<freemangordon>
yeah, but the question is - how useful are such a tiny buttons on small screen?
<freemangordon>
anyway
<arno11>
freemangordon: your N900 was working well previously with leste or never ?
<freemangordon>
never
<freemangordon>
well, it is not that it cannot be used
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: the buttons aren't that tiny
<freemangordon>
ok
<freemangordon>
arno11: just... way slower than on fremantle
<freemangordon>
visibly slower
<arno11>
freemangordon: not the same for me, weird
<freemangordon>
not sure if it is because of slow storage or soemthing else
<freemangordon>
partially could be because the digitizer has issues
<arno11>
really don't know
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<dsc_>
fixed it, also touch area will be sufficient, if not - easy to tweak
<arno11>
freemangordon: yesterday evening i compared my N900 with my redmi with proot, navigating and starting apps, and it was pretty similar (excepting time needed to start qt5 apps ofc)
<Wizzup>
hm, ok
<Wizzup>
I find like sometimes if I press say a chat in conversations it takes seconds to open the chat
<Wizzup>
and this is true for other programs too
<sicelo>
how to get more verbose output or logs from the image builder (running locally)
<arno11>
ah yes, conversations is slower now to start and open chat, indeed, and all qt5 apps
<sicelo>
looks to me like it runs fine, just fails on that `usr-is-merged` package. i have an idea what the package is about, but would be nice to know why it's being asked for here (i think it's a new thing)
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<dsc_>
Wizzup: latest stuff in jib now
<dsc_>
are people here using latest master @ conversations?
<dsc_>
because version in repos is a bit old
<Wizzup>
no, 0.6.4 is in -devel
<Wizzup>
I wanted to see if I could fix up the group chat ui a bit and take a look at a few of the things you talked about
<sicelo>
the debootstrap log has "2024-02-12 21:39:57 URL:https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera/InRelease [33520/33520] -> "/home/sicelo/Git/leste/image-builder/arm-sdk/tmp/devuan-armhf-build/bootstrap/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/pkgmaster.devuan.org_merged_dists_chimaera_InRelease" [1]"
<Wizzup>
what is your arm-sdk head
<Wizzup>
I feel like you're using something else to build
<Wizzup>
what I do is clone image-builder
<sicelo>
let me start from scratch then :-)
<Wizzup>
git and update the submodules
<Wizzup>
did you clone arm-sdk and friends separately, or?
<Wizzup>
sicelo: ha wait
<Wizzup>
Unstaged changes
<Wizzup>
+ --exclude=usr-is-merged \
<sicelo>
heh, forgot to commit?
<Wizzup>
I guess so, but it didn't seem to affect our image builder
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<Wizzup>
2mins
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<Wizzup>
sicelo: please pull image-builder master and update submodules
<uvos>
dsc_: you can use the style override in env to get rid of maemo theme (which will get rid of the styled buttons)
<uvos>
dsc_: for a fully self-styled app you can also do so in source
<Wizzup>
I think he wants the rest of the style to be maemo
<Wizzup>
just the buttons looked bad
<uvos>
you can override specific style elements
<uvos>
but i cant remember the api of the top of my head
<Wizzup>
I think he solved the problem already
<sicelo>
Wizzup: thanks. there's progress now
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<arno11>
Wizzup: freemangordon: i'm currently uploading a video on dropbox showing how it works on my N900. it was 2 months ago with (very) low transitions effects and a bit of overclock. (805MHz iirc)
<Wizzup>
great, ty
<Wizzup>
I don't have the transitions changes I think
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: it might be that arno11 has boost on and disabled 250mb
<arno11>
i have another one file with just lighter transitions (50ms most of the time instead of 250) and keeping effects and zoom
<Wizzup>
which is the one in your video
<arno11>
the 'hardcore' one
<arno11>
you can try it if you want, the very light one is in my dropbox
<Wizzup>
I just installed it yeah
<Wizzup>
It seems ifne
<arno11>
ok cool
<Wizzup>
but yeah maybe not best for default
<arno11>
indeed
<Wizzup>
there was also this cssu tool to tweak the transitions
<Wizzup>
I don't know if I packaged it for chimaera too
<arno11>
you should reboot btw
<Wizzup>
I did pkill hildon-desktop
<Wizzup>
is mor ODerequired?
<Wizzup>
is more required
<arno11>
ok should be enough
<Wizzup>
the delay in opening the status menu also seems gone then
<arno11>
yes indeed
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<Wizzup>
well that *is* good to know, that means the slowness in opening status menu on say d4 is not related to the status applet itself
<arno11>
yes
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<diejuse>
Wizzup arno11 I'm glad you're focused on reducing the slowness of transitions. :)
<diejuse>
arno11 How smooth everything works in your video!
<arno11>
:)
<arno11>
the type of uSD card in use has a huge impact as well (excepting for loading stuff on boot)
<arno11>
dinner time
<Wizzup>
I did think I bought an expensive microsd for the n900
<diejuse>
arno11 If you have some time, I would like you to try making OMP work on your Xiaomi. Now I'm not the only one who uses proot.
<Wizzup>
diejuse: I'm sure making OMP work is easy assuming you start the right processes
<Wizzup>
at this point it's not clear to me how this works, but if you can make a 'diff' of changes made from a regular image to your image, and what is started and how, then I could take a look and help
<diejuse>
Wizzup I have what you say in mind but it is not easy. That's why it's good for me to let arno11 try some things since he will have more knowledge of how Maemo Leste works than I do.
<diejuse>
But hey, in any case, you should know that I have the same interest as you in knowing how to convert any more modern image into root.:)
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<arno11>
diejuse: yesterday i had a look at your maemo launch script and if i understand correctly, you can't load more stuff because of 'permission errors', is that correct ?
<arno11>
btw i've been able to dist-upgrade the proot img to chimaera-devel and install conversations. but as Wizzup said previously, lot of stuff from xsession are missing
<freemangordon>
arno11: looks smooth, however, I want to see the scrolling in addressbook and modest
<freemangordon>
because clutter stuff is ok, no doubt
<arno11>
and btw iirc we should try another version of proot with a specific flag to avoid permissions error
<arno11>
freemangordon: scrolling in modest is not bad, not really smooth but fast
<freemangordon>
so, my sd here is sandisk exterme 128 A2
<freemangordon>
that one should be ok, no?
<arno11>
should be fine indeed
<freemangordon>
for sure latest DDX fixes made huge diff
<arno11>
yeah !
<freemangordon>
but still we are not in par with fremantle, at least I feel it like that
<arno11>
specially with emulators and video playing
<freemangordon>
mhm
<freemangordon>
maybe we lack some optimisation in GTK
<arno11>
maybe but you run Fremantle with thumb ?
<freemangordon>
sure
<freemangordon>
I am the one with cssu-thumb, would be stupid to not use it :)
<arno11>
lol indeed
<freemangordon>
but we use thumb on leste as well
<sicelo>
no, we don't
<freemangordon>
umm, what?
<freemangordon>
how's that
<freemangordon>
?
<sicelo>
D4 doesn't like it
<freemangordon>
sicelo: wait, wait
<freemangordon>
this is not thumb kernel
<freemangordon>
we *do not* run thumb kernel on fremantle either
<freemangordon>
it is aboutu userland
<freemangordon>
*about
<sicelo>
ah, ok. thought you meant the kernel
<freemangordon>
no
<freemangordon>
arno11: ok, these days I will put that uSD in my daily device, to see if working digitizer makes any difference
<freemangordon>
arno11: so, if you find time and will to check if we have some slowness in GTK, I will owe you yet another beer :)
<arno11>
ok lol
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<freemangordon>
diejuse: still, great job with leste on android, people are waiting for appstore installer :)
<freemangordon>
no, really, I was asked about that
<Wizzup>
it seems to me that even just using rsync -nav to check what files are different might be of a huge help
<Wizzup>
or start with find on both and then vimdiff
<diejuse>
@freemangordon hehe,thank you so much
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<freemangordon>
we kinda left PR on the background lately, but having leste installable in android appstore could potentially bring new devs to help
<diejuse>
it still needs more progress
<diejuse>
@arno11 many problems about /proc /sys ...
<diejuse>
yes permission denied to access to several files
<diejuse>
conveesations worked?
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<diejuse>
@freemangordon that for now I will add instructions in my githib to add am icon to lauch Maemo Leste easily
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<arno11>
diejuse: i need to try to add plugins to be able to test conversations
<arno11>
ok adding plugin like rakia works, able to install all rtcom accounts stuff
<arno11>
setting up a sip account works now but impossible to signin because of dummy network apparently
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<Wizzup>
yeah dummy network actually makes an interface
<Wizzup>
you might want something even more dummy-er
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<Wizzup>
arno11: does icd2 run?
<arno11>
let me check
<arno11>
yes it does
<diejuse>
@arno11 @Wizzup Dummy network is a problem yes
<arno11>
the main issue imo
<sicelo>
in the chroot, you're otherwise able to interact with the internet, e.g. resolve dns names from xterm?
<freemangordon>
what is the issue with dummy network?
<freemangordon>
it works fine in VM, I see no reason why it wouldn't in another environment
<diejuse>
email app will not work either. I am using thunderbird as a client that does work
<arno11>
maemo apps seem to not see the network
<freemangordon>
right, but what is the issue with dummy net?
<diejuse>
@sicelo yes it works with chroot
<freemangordon>
ok, does system dbus work?
<arno11>
apparently yes
<diejuse>
/etc/init.d/dbus was modified by me to get working
<arno11>
i see dbus-daemon, dbus-launch running
<arno11>
ah ok
<sicelo>
`busctl list` should tell you if it's working as expected
<arno11>
ok let me check
<arno11>
seems ok
<arno11>
i see almost everything
<sicelo>
including something with icd/icd2 ?
<arno11>
yes
<diejuse>
I read you from time to time because I'm dining out. Glad you are reviewing proot. :)
<diejuse>
I want to know why an app manager like Synaptic works and not the Maemo app manager. If the internet works, why do I need a dummy network?
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<freemangordon>
diejuse: because maemo apps require icd to confirm there is working connection
<diejuse>
ok mmm thanks for the answer. It would be nice to have a way to bypass the requirement, to have an alternative version of the app manager. Simply have the requirement that there is an Internet connection.
<diejuse>
Proot's limitations require some adaptations.
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<uvos>
freemangordon: to what end anyhow?
<uvos>
freemangordon: i dont see how its better than just assuming there is and poping up the dialog when the tcp request fails.
<uvos>
if no interface is set up the request will fail instantly anyhow
<uvos>
so it isent speed
<uvos>
specificly talking about HAM
<uvos>
for some other clients you can make the argument that it saves power if they dont try
<uvos>
but HAM? i dont see it
<freemangordon>
uvos:all those use the same library, I don;t see how (and why) every app shall behave differently
<freemangordon>
also, this was never meant to be run without root access