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<beach>
Shinmera: So what made you create Dissect when I suppose SWANK already existed?
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<Shinmera>
Swank's interface isn't exported or properly documented, and I didn't want to rely on Swank as a library since it has a whole bunch of other stuff, too.
<beach>
I see. Thanks.
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<beach>
Here is what I think then. I think we (not sure who "we" are yet) should improve Dissect so that it can handle all the stuff we need for a "debugger", and then change or replace the CLIM debugger to use it.
<Shinmera>
Sounds good. My initial use-case for Dissect was for non-interactive debuggers (loggers, web displays, etc.) so it should have most things.
<beach>
I see. Though scymtym indicated a few things that could be handy in an interactive debugger.
<Shinmera>
Yeah, eval-in-frame being the big one.
<beach>
Indeed.
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<Shinmera>
It does already offer the restarts part
<beach>
Good.
<Shinmera>
Not sure about "utilities for conditions", though
<Shinmera>
Mostly because I don't know what Swank provides there or what would even be needed that isn't in the standard already
<beach>
I see.
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<beach>
Some of the missing code could probably be copied from, or at least be inspired by the corresponding SWANK code.
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<Shinmera>
right.
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<beach>
What kind of overhaul are you thinking of? Just the code, or also the protocol?
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<pkal>
Does anyone know why hunchentoot handles want strings to be generated, instead of writing to a stream?
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<jackdaniel>
pkal: you can use stream directly, returning a string is just a conceptualy easy default
<jackdaniel>
ll*
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<pkal>
oh, so I can just write to *standard-output*? I should try these things out before asking questions...
<jackdaniel>
I think that it is not standard output though
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<jackdaniel>
I think that it is part of the request object
<jackdaniel>
check out hunchentoot's excellent documentation
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<Shinmera>
beach: mostly the documentation, which was very rushed
<Shinmera>
for the rest it isn't present enough in my mind to know what would need doing.
<Shinmera>
The API's been out there for a long time and there are people depending on it, so I would be reluctant to change the public-facing stuff without compatibility
<Shinmera>
For the rest I'm open to whatever
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<beach>
Got it. Thanks!
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<beach>
phoe: The license for the portable condition system is quite complicated, but you gave me permission to include parts of your code in SICL, which has a BSD license.
<beach>
Now I am working on a system that I call "Predicament", which is also a portable implementation of the condition system, but with more documentation, and which can be used intrinsically. Predicament also uses BSD.
<beach>
So am I allowed to include and improve code from your system into Predicament?
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