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<ldb> well, I decides to not use the dpans-parser for the job, but make my own TeX parser. I can see how that works but I think I would need write too much code to just output XML.
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<semarie> regarding shebang, it could be portability issue with passing more than 1 argument to the interpreter. all arguments could be read as 'one argument' ("arg1 arg2 ...")
<semarie> but I don't recall if the limitation comes from posix or from (some) implementations
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<beach> semarie: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.
<semarie> yes, I am lurking here since few weeks :)
<beach> Great! Welcome!
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<beach> semarie: By the way, be careful with the word "interpreter". It may lead some people to think that Common Lisp is what they call an "interpreted language", and therefore intrinsically slow.
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<qhong> Is special variable access in SBCL significantly slower than closure bound lexical variable?
<qhong> I'm not sure where I've got this impression before, maybe I was comparing with non-closured-bound lexical variable (which is of course faster). I just did some unscientific tests which found special variable to be *faster*, which is quite surprising
<qhong> consider there are TLS indirection for special variables...
<beach> I don't know what SBCL does, but a closed-over lexical variable must be looked up in the static environment, so there is some indirection involved there too.
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<semz> qhong: If I call the function (let ((foo nil)) (lambda (x) (if x (setf foo x) foo))) (resp. a variant with a special variable *foo*) a billion times I get ~4.3s vs ~4.8s respectively
<semz> whether that is significant to you i don't know, but i suspect you may be measuring noise
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<flip214> Help, please. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce25a230/ -- Why is the argument lost? SBCL just relays POSITION, but POSITION-SPEC is NIL?
<ixelp> Debian Pastezone
<_death> NIL is not a file position designator.. looks like a bug https://github.com/j3pic/lisp-binary/blob/master/simple-bit-stream.lisp#L385
<ixelp> lisp-binary/simple-bit-stream.lisp at master · j3pic/lisp-binary · GitHub
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<flip214> ah, right - the passing-through of a NIL isn't allowed. Thanks!
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<jackdaniel> sbcl: #\rubout 127 #\delete 127 #\backspace 8; ccl: #\rubout 127 #\backspace 8 #\delete 8; not especially amusing
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<ldb> morning
<ecraven> hm.. does anyone use sbcl + swank in k8s containers, allowing connection and debugging right into running pods?
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<ldb> I don't think I know what Kerberos container is.
<ldb> but if you can ssh tunnel through it I think it is possible to connec
<ldb> t
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<flip214> ecraven: I guess you'd need some HTTP transport, as k8s gets very difficult to use with plain tcp sockets.
<prxq> what was again the magic in CL for iterating over more than a list with LOOP? I'd like to do what in python is "for x, y in zip(xlist, ylist):"
<flip214> unless you allow stuff like port forwardings via "oc shell" -- which might not be welcome in production environments
<flip214> prxq: (loop for x in xlist for y in ylist ...)
<prxq> flip214: thanks!
<flip214> prxq: that'll terminate as soon as one list is exhausted, though
<prxq> yeah that's fine
<ecraven> wouldn't kerberos be k6s? flip214: good point, we need slime-over-http :D :P
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<phoe> sounds like kubernetes
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<flip214> ecraven: there's a branch of slime (used with vlime) that uses json already, that might help
<flip214> well, of course the data format doesn't really matter, it just matches HTTP api's better
<flip214> perhaps swank should listen on the prometheus port, that's already used for monitoring anyway
<ecraven> I was just thinking, this might be really nice for working with containers that have lisp programs running
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<flip214> of course
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