<haziz>
For a relative Common Lisp beginner would CLISP or CCL provide more friendly error messages than SBCL? I am using Emacs and SLIME for my REPL.
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<haziz>
I find SBCL's error messages particularly cryptic. Not that CLISP's or CCL's appear to be much better.
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<ldb>
Unfortunately CCL doesn't point out some of the styling issue
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<pjb>
haziz: yes clisp and ccl seem nicer to newbie, IMO.
<pjb>
haziz: note that even when you're more advanced, it may be a good idea to compile your code with different implementations, since their compiler may give you different warning and detect different errors, in addition to having different error message formulations.
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<mariari>
I like using CCL to develop, as if you're debugging variables keep their names in the stack frame, and is more lenient when reorganizing code
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<mariari>
though I often compile with sbcl and ccl often, as sbcl checks types nicer
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<q3cpma>
Hello, does anyone know if this is "normal" that quickloading (not use-ing) cffi creates the symbol COMMON-LISP-USER::SPLIT-STRING? Had some annoying conflicts with it.
<pjb>
confirmed https://termbin.com/av3c this can be considered a bug. Report it to cffi maintainers.
<pjb>
q3cpma: that said, it is not bound by cffi sources, only interned. So it should not conflict with other definitions. Only when you use a package in cl-user, you need to do it in the right order.
<pjb>
Or use the restarts to resolve the conflict.
<beach>
Am I missing something here? I am looking at the dictionary entry for RESTART-CASE, specifically the sundae example. The function READ-NEW-VALUE prompts with "Enter a new value: ", but the example when restart number 1 is chosen, says "Enter a new ice cream: ". That's just a mistake, right?
<yitzi>
Are we fixing examplesf as part of WSCL proposals or just PRs to dpANS3 sources in the WSCL repo?
<phoe>
seems like there is a version of DEFMACRO that accepted declaration and documentation arguments in its lambda list, and they instead put these in the &BODY as first forms
<beach>
yitzi: The examples are part of the dpANS, no?
<yitzi>
Thanks phoe. Maybe we should put whatever correspondence/discuss we have in WSCL repo?
<beach>
yitzi: I think it is perfectly valid to make issues for the "Examples" and "Notes" sections, even though they not normative.
<yitzi>
beach: sounds good.
<beach>
yitzi: You might want to check with scymtym. As I recall, he did some digging to find issues that are not referenced by the Common Lisp HyperSpec.