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<jackdaniel> CL-USER> (import '|ZZZ| "KEYWORD") ; T
<jackdaniel> CL-USER> :zzz ; Evaluation aborted on #<UNBOUND-VARIABLE ZZZ {100E193743}>.
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* splittist refreshes the Kandria page to check that there are, indeed, only three hours to wait...
<ecraven> woohoo!
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<beach> What is it that is going to happen, and that must happen at such a precise moment?
<splittist> Shinmera's game launches
<Fredokun> kandria release ?
<beach> I don't know what it means to "launch" or "release" something that requires such a precise time.
<Shinmera> It means the game will be available to play.
<Fredokun> (patiently waiting in my steam library ...)
<Shinmera> and purchase
<splittist> Preferably in the other order (:
<Shinmera> well
<beach> Shinmera: Why not do that when it was ready?
<Shinmera> Because marketing requires a hype cycle.
<beach> Ah. Now I understand.
<beach> Thanks.
<splittist> beach is obviously channeling Shigeru Miyamoto: a late game is late once; a bad game is bad forever. But that was when games came on hardware cartridges. (Not that I expect anything other than greatness from Kandria, which greatness will only be enhanced as improvements are made available in the standard constant-update cycle of modern software.)
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<Shinmera> Alright, the game is now out: https://kandria.com/steam
<ixelp> Save 10% on Kandria on Steam
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<lips123mob> congrats shinmera on overcoming the insurmountable and creating a CL game in 2023
<Shinmera> If y'all got a HN account I'd also appreciate upvoting it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34338629
<ixelp> Show HN: Kandria, an action RPG made in Common Lisp is now out | Hacker News
<lips123mob> best to navigate to HN and then find the article and upvote
<lips123mob> I heard just clicking the link directly can cause HN to shadow slow down the post
<Shinmera> Well heck
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<jackdaniel> I'm tempted to ask on hn whether it runs on mezzano ;p (upvoted)
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<jackdaniel> I'll give it a whirl during the weekend, congrats Shinmera
<Shinmera> Thanks! :)
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<froggey> congrats Shinmera!
<mariari> Congrats Shinmera!
<froggey> sadly it doesn't run on either os I use regularly :)
<Shinmera> thank you all :)
<scymtym> Shinmera: congratulations
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<ixelp> Congratulations!!!! - YouTube
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<Fare> Shinmera, congrats, too. So, obvious question: how do you deal with gc pauses, if any?
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<OlCe> Shinmera: Congrats! Seems impressive. Keep up the good work.
<Shinmera> Fare: by not generating too much garbage and having a fast enough pc
<OlCe> The best garbage is the one you don't create... :-p
<OlCe> But still... I had the same question.
<hayley> I make CONS CONS its arguments out of spite.
<hayley> Fare: Have halved pause times by using a parallel GC, but pauses are infrequent and already not that annoying IME.
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<louis77> I'm not a gamer but this is really impressive
<louis77> I'll probably have to show it to my two kids :)
<louis77> Shinmera you are one of the reasons I have committed to CL
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<Shinmera> oh my
<Shinmera> my apologies for your loss then :v
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<Fredokun> Just did the intro until first save ... Excellent so far ! (love the art, the control, the music ...)
<splittist> Same.
<splittist> (and same, in case that wasn't clear)
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<jackdaniel> Shinmera: is the soundtrack released and my steam client is acting up or is it not?
<jackdaniel> it seems to download now so either you were very quick or it was indeed acting up ;p
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<Shinmera> Yeah the distributor did not release it for some reason so I had to manually click the release button
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<mariari> I gotta love updating my system, games just don't work until I boot.... at least suns boot fast
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<_cymew_> Congrats on the launch Shinmera!
<_cymew_> Is that you streaming live now? Where are people asking questions?
<Shinmera> Thanks!
<Shinmera> yes
<Shinmera> either on twitch or in my chat on https://stream.shinmera.com
<ixelp> Shinmera's Stream | Video Games, Art, and Programming
<_cymew_> Ah, I see.
<_cymew_> Your parallel processing abilities are better than mine, I can tell you that!
<_cymew_> Really nice music.
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<mariari> I must say it's nice to have more than 2 bind slots for a key lol
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<phoe> Shinmera: FYI there are some open questions on HN
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<Shinmera> _cymew_: yeah, Mikel did a fantastic job :)
<Shinmera> phoe: yeah I was busy with stream. will take care of it in a bit
<Shinmera> let a fella pee!
<phoe> ah yes, the long-pause in-human GC techniques
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<ixelp> Check out the new release of Kandria a hand-crafted 2D action game | GamingOnLinux
<Shinmera> Yea saw it on twitter
<Catie> Oh hey, the first character to be introduced is named Catherine, excellent choice of names
<Shinmera> My mother's name is "Katharina", so that's where that's from.
<Catie> Oh very nice! It's a very nice tribute to her, I think
<neominimum> This is so cool Shinmera! It's honestly inspiring :)
<Shinmera> Thanks, glad to hear :)
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<NotThatRPG> Is github.com/slime/slime still the right repo for SLIME? I was trying to follow the documentation links there, and they are all broken.
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<jackdaniel> didn't ms change at some point its urls and broke literally all links that pointed to websites hosted on github?
<yitzi> common-lisp.dev is down
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<edgar-rft> according to the talking on #common-lisp.net they're trying to update the software
<NotThatRPG> yitzi seems to have the explanattion.
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<Inline> why can't i reach ecl manual on ecls homepage ?
<Inline> i mean i can reach the manual but none of it's subtopics
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<Bike> common-lisp.dev is down.
<Inline> you sure ?
<Inline> cause i reach common-lisp.dev itself but some links seem to lead to nowhere for now
<Inline> never mind maybe it's down and just cached locally here over
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<Bike> cache seems likely, yes.
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<ldb> I have just successfully compiled the first 20 pages of CLtL2
<ldb> and if my following up experiment of build original latex209 successed, I should able to recompile CLtL2 and fix the long bothered textoverflow problem in the public PDF
<ldb> hope TeX just havn't been changed much since then.
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<ldb> good news, I figured how they originally used small-latex.tex
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<ldb> I know that someone tried the easier approch of generating PDF from HTML version
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<louis77> nice
<louis77> there are russian parts in the text, is that from the original?
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<ldb> louis77: where?
<louis77> chap 26 onwards
<louis77> you can see it in the TOC already
<ldb> I don't think the original has Cryllics
<ldb> It was "FINAL PROOF"
<louis77> the russian text parts are translations of the english sections
<louis77> like they were pasted into the document
<louis77> or it was originally written in russian and then translated to english and they forgot to delete these parts :-)
<ldb> oh yes, likely result of google translate was not turned off
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<ldb> Anyway I think I can work out my PDF version in an hour
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<louis77> thanks for your work!
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<Devon> Good evening all.
<Devon> Can an ANIS compliant implementation add extra optional arguments to standard functions?
<Devon> ANIS/ANSI
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<White_Flame> I know some specific standard functions explicitly allow adding more keyword arguments, I don't think there's carte blanche to add onto everything
<Alfr> Devon, I think 1.5.1.{1,3}, if you add them after others and if there are no &key parameters.
<Alfr> Devon, real problem is that programs using those extensions wouldn't be conforming anymore.
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