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<DC-IRC>
<russ> Hi all! First attempt at using Armbian here. I have an OrangePi 3 LTS and am struggling to find supported OS loads. The OrangePi page for image downloads (http://www.orangepi.org/html/softWare/orangePiOS/index.html) is empty... and I would prefer Debian/Ubuntu, anyway. Official loads are apparently only either Android-based, Arch-based, or Harmony-based.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Quick questions:
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Hi all! First attempt at using Armbian here. I have an OrangePi 3 LTS and am struggling to find supported OS loads. The OrangePi page for image downloads (http://www.orangepi.org/html/softWare/orangePiOS/index.html) is empty... and I would prefer Debian/Ubuntu, anyway. Official loads are apparently only either Android-based, Arch-based, or Harmony-based.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Quick questions:
<DC-IRC>
<russ> 1. Do Armbian builds typical support available GPU?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> 2. Do Armbian builds typically support USB cameras?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> 3. Anyone have any other comments on whether Armbian is the way to go here? (end goal is image processing with TensorFlow)
<TRS-80>
To answer #3, I think you will be hard pressed to do better than Armbian, however support varies by board, which is why it's best to look at link above to check status of that particular board.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> will check. I has just gone straight here:
<DC-IRC>
<russ> about to load that up. Curious that I see that instructions recommend Balena... and no mention of Rufus (which I'm using right now). Any reason for that? Or just arbitrary?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> will check. I had just gone straight here:
<TRS-80>
Yes. Usually OrangePi support is pretty good, however I see that a maintainer is needed here. And it says community support. So, YMMV in this case.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> YMMV on drivers actually working for stuff like GPU, you mean?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> or just handwavy on everything? ๐
<TRS-80>
There have been debates over the years about various writing tools, the main considerations are around usability, cross platform, and making sure they verify what they write.
<TRS-80>
Pretty much everything. Welcome to SBC world. :)
<DC-IRC>
<russ> (side note: TRS-80 is bringing back wonderful memories, so thanks for that)
<TRS-80>
The problem is, what you get from mfr. or wider Internet is probably even worse. That is what we are trying to change, but resources are limited.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> happy to fiddle with the orangepi here... cursed rpi lack-of-availability and scalpers ๐ฆ
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<DC-IRC>
<russ> the default load from OrangePi is hilariously bad ... they ship with an awful droid-based load. Truly horrific. Very strange they would go with it for their out-of-the-box impressions. Clearly hardware people and not software people. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
<TRS-80>
Well at least you seem to understand the problem. Essentially what we are trying to improve upon.
<TRS-80>
Try some of those images and let us know how they work. If you have a few sd cards and a couple units maybe you could even become maintainer. You don't need to be a kernel wizard, just be able to test new images when they come out and report back on any breakage.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> sounds good to me. will see how it goes. wish me luck.
<TRS-80>
May the blessings of rms be upon you!
<DC-IRC>
<russ> oh geez
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I need hardware fairies right hnow. 2 failed SD burns so far... with a SanDisk A1/UHS-1 SD as well. Maybe I'll try Balena.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I need hardware fairies right now. 2 failed SD burns so far... with a SanDisk A1/UHS-1 SD as well. Maybe I'll try Balena.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> image I'm trying is `Armbian_23.02.2_Orangepi3-lts_jammy_current_5.15.93_xfce_desktop.img`, btw โ๏ธ
<DC-IRC>
<russ> image I'm trying is `Armbian_23.02.2_Orangepi3-lts_jammy_current_5.15.93_xfce_desktop.img`, btw ๐ค
<TRS-80>
MAke sure it's legit sd card. Where did you get it? Fakes are rampant.
<TRS-80>
Also how old?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> my drawer ๐
<DC-IRC>
<russ> entirely possible it was fake. been there in-package for at least 2 years, I would guess
<DC-IRC>
<russ> will check that out... but given that packaging I'm fairly suspicious of where I got that
<TRS-80>
Do you travel to Asia often? lol
<DC-IRC>
<russ> no, but there is most definitely a steady stream of weird grey bags from AliExpress thet my wife is always happy when they arrive. Proud platinum member here.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> this may get entertaining until I get a proper SD card. Not too worried about speed since the OPi has onboard eMMC... but unwritable cards is bad. Weird to me that both rufus and etcher can't seem to just jump over bad sectors (or whatever the equivalent is in SD world).
<TRS-80>
They are doing you a favor by failing. ;)
<DC-IRC>
<russ> unfortunately I'm trying to do this in parallel to help my son doing the same thing in another city in a crunch situation... he just bought a (presumably) legit onefrom Walmart as they closed the doors... so this will be fun to do entirely remotely!! He knows nothing about linux, so this is going to be be EXTREMELY entertaining. ๐ฟ
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I figure if I can just get a verified/bootable image load once... I can clean up the eMMC... in theory.
<TRS-80>
I wish you the best but I encourage you to stick with it if you don't have immediate success. These boards have great potential but some times require a bit of fiddling (to put it mildly). And things take time. It took me few tries over many months to get my PineBook Pro working for instance.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I have a stack of these SD cards will try another. They've worked for other stuff, so maybe just a die roll (no pun intended)? Also have a legit one somewhere based on my order histories for sandisk... but buried in previously mentioned AliExpress cruft and not finding that. Sigh.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Oh I'll stick with it. Not my first SBC. Not my first rodeo. Just my first OPi and Armbian. Has the peculiar rush to it at this moment, but will beat away at it later for sure.
<TRS-80>
It doesn't take long to run them through f3, I would highly recommend that when going through your pile.
<TRS-80>
Well, depending on size, I guess.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> f3?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> (checking)
<TRS-80>
Did you read the link I posted about checking the sd card? It's very important.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> @russ rufus and etcher both have been notorious at writing failures in past versions... Ironicly the utility that has been actually working the most consistently for people if they want to use a cross platform gui lately has been the RPI Imager that the Raspberry PI Foundation released to write their images to media.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> @russ rufus and etcher both have been notorious at writing failures in past recent versions... Ironicly the utility that has been actually working the most consistently for people if they want to use a cross platform gui lately has been the RPI Imager that the Raspberry PI Foundation released to write their images to media.
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* Herc
also only uses rpi-imager successfully for armbian images too
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> Herc: yeah isn't it ironic how much rpi-imager just seems to actually just "work"
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> ?
<Herc>
indeed
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> Etcher was decent at one time however it has gone downhill in the last few versions
<DC-IRC>
<Werner> I recommend USBimager. Very lightweight and multi-arch
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> dd is still not the most cross platform friendly
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<Herc>
USBimager looks interresting indeed, I will check it out some day
<DC-IRC>
<Werner> Also dd does not verify written data which is a big deal
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> indeed
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> you can still hash check it though if you have the checksum
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<DC-IRC>
<agl> Can anybody help me? I want to make a "./compile.sh" in the build system of Armbian. But I get the error that the .../.tmp directory ist mounted with the option "nodev"!
<DC-IRC>
<agl> I have searched for a mount command in the *.sh files which compile.sh sourses, but I found nothing. Mo mount command and no "nodev" string. Does anybody know where I can look for the option "nodev"?
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Can anybody help me? I want to make a "./compile.sh" in the build system of Armbian. But I get the error that the .../.tmp directory ist mounted with the option "nodev"!
<DC-IRC>
<agl> I have searched for a mount command in the *.sh files which compile.sh sourses, but I found nothing. No mount command and no "nodev" string. Does anybody know where I can look for the option "nodev"?
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Can anybody help me? I want to make a "./compile.sh" in the build system of Armbian. But I get the error that the .../.tmp directory ist mounted with the option "nodev"!
<DC-IRC>
<agl> I have searched for a mount command in the *.sh files which compile.sh sourses, but I found nothing. No mount command and no "nodev" string. Does anybody know where I can look for the option "nodev"? Have I to look in LinuxMint where I let running the build system?
<DC-IRC>
<agl> or how can I look if it is set with noexec?
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> run the command "mount" and look for nodev, noexec
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> I would guess it's because /media/ag/TANZ4 is mounted nodev, noexec, *like the error message tells you*
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> I would guess it's because /media/ag/TANZ4 is mounted nodev, *like the error message tells you*
<DC-IRC>
<agl> yes you have right /dev/mapper/luks-306f28bb-33f2-47b8-9e22-96924d862f9e on /media/ag/TANZ4 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
<DC-IRC>
<agl> OK it's works .. Thank You @ManoftheSea ๐
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<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> TRS-80 yes I used nandwrite to flash the spi with towboot
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Thanks - definitely going to try rpi-imager... but I'm 99% sure my problem is sketchy SD cards, so I'm also going to buy a few from a local shop (which will presumably be legit).
<DC-IRC>
<russ> yes, this ran ok. I ended up brute forcing xfce onto it and getting it working, but... the out-of-the-box-experience for armbian was less than awesome since I really had to roll up my sleeves to make it work.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Going to try again tonight on a different board and see if I can coax it into a clean start with GUI functioning out of the box.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> @russ yeah these boards definitely don't like iffy cards either heheh
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> That's why all I'll use is emmc/usb/nvme now
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> I only use microsd's as chainloading bootloaders
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> where needed
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I was trying to figure out how to load directly onto eMMC and skip SD entirely... but that seemed like a HUGE headache, so I had to revert to the "simple" SD image load.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> what device was it again (bad memory)
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> ?
<Herc>
heh, same here
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I ran a google translate image over my SD card packaging, half expecting some hilarity... but was disappointed:
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> Herc: I could remember in about 6 hours from now
<DC-IRC>
<russ> SBC is an OrangePi 3 LTS. SD card was a sketchy SD card I pulled from my drawer... likely sourced from AliExpress.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> my 1-6 hr short term is... blah
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> I thought the OPI3 lts had a armbian-config copy to emmc... but I could be wrong
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> Gotta run for about 30 (lunch...) be back afterwards.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> Do you mean `nand-sata-install`? I found that late last night, and will be trying it tonight... but I think that is for copying a functional SD OS to the eMMC?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> If, instead, you mean going from some other machine directly... I did find some stuff about "FIL" mode, but that is new to me and the whole process was highly undocumented, confusing, involving foreign language github repos, and not something I was going to embark on when I could just go the easy boot-from-SD route! Then my SD card fun happened.
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> @russ no.. in armbian-config.. System-Install-install to installs to SATA, eMMC, NAND or USB.
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<DC-IRC>
<russ> ah... ok. but that needs to run of the SD first, still. Right?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> What I was looking for was a way to push armbian over to the board without an SD card, mostly because my son (who I was remotely helping with another board) only had an old 1 GB SD card at hand. Then locally because my SD cards are garbage.
<TRS-80>
If the board has eMMC, there are some external adapters to USB. Handy but not something you or he would have unless you ordered it with the board most likely.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> it did seem like it needed direct board access, which was one of the non-starters
<TRS-80>
There may be other ways but sd card is the easiest, you can get Sandisk cards in any Walmart same day for pretty reasonable price.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> precisely what happened... an urgent pre-closing run for SD cards ๐
<TRS-80>
It's actually handy to have several, in case of testing, trying different builds, etc...
<TRS-80>
Later pick up a serial cable too if you keep doing this.
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> if you always wanted to use non sd card storage on a board and can't get it to boot from usb or whatever storage you might be able to install boot files to sd card and set root to whatever drive it is
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> use uboot on sd card and load root from other storage
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<DC-IRC>
<russ> dumb question... for what? Remote debug?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> uboot looks promising... seems like a minimal boot loader that can fetch images from off-board? is there a particular load or link you recommend?
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> uh.
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<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> okay, sure. u-boot can do PXE or even HTTP(S?) booting.
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> I have no idea how to compile armbian for pxe load, though.
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> But it's also possible just to put the u-boot firmware on the SD, the rest of Armbian on USB, and let u-boot autodetect it.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> nice. just reading up on U-boot, and trying to figure if I need a build specifically for the OrangePi, or if it can be generic enough to work on multiple systems.
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> if you ever used armbian all the images come with uboot
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> don't know what the x86 images use
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<DC-IRC>
<russ> anyone have an SD card they really like and would recommend? Seems like I want A2, and maybe stick to SanDisk.. but SanDisk only is unclear.
<DC-IRC>
<russ> I see this 64 GB one for $20 (CDN), and can't seem to get smaller just for image loads (smaller seems better, even if just for full format and/or checking):
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> you need to build u-boot for your board, yes. And I've been getting 256 GB cards just because they're not much more expensive than anything smaller
<DC-IRC>
<ManoftheSea> I do samsungs, but it's not much different
<rich-bit>
anyone tried the SDcards they sell att aliexpress? Really cheap...
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> I have a few of those. Extreme PRO's. Work fine for me. I got the 32MB's ones for like $11 or $12?
<rich-bit>
been meaning to order a few
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> I use samsung and got some sandisk from microcenter that works fine
<archetech>
friends dont let friends use sdcards
<archetech>
I use laptop drives over usb3
<archetech>
or ssd
<DC-IRC>
<russ> never thought of ssd enclosures... are they USB drives typically in the boot sequence of the SBCs?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> never thought of ssd enclosures... are USB drives typically in the boot sequence of the SBCs?
<DC-IRC>
<russ> the ones I have been having problems with were almost certainly from AliExpress. Definitely going to be rolling the dice on anything you buy there (which is true for all things at AliExpress).
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> I just drive down the road to Microcenter if I need media
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Hello @IgorPec,
<DC-IRC>
<agl> today the ThinkPad X13s Gen1 with 8cx Gen3 SC8280XP processor arrived. I have tried the various images for UEFI-arm64 that are available on the Armbian web page. Unfortunately none of them will boot.
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Downloading "build" and compiling the kernel and creating the image did not help either.
<DC-IRC>
<agl> It loads grub, you can select the kernel, then a short message appears and that's it. No further output and the USB stick is not accessed (no flashing LED).
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Is it possible that some modules and other kernel parameters have to be specified so that at least the kernel starts? Do you have any ideas?
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> lol
<rich-bit>
I have a noob question about this channel: how do you guys hide your IP?
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> this hardware is not UEFI compliant
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> "yet" would be proper expression
<DC-IRC>
<agl> Not? I can load the grub and select the kernel for booting, and a short message prints the kernel.
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> you have some articles / todos on the internet
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> describint situation
<DC-IRC>
<agl> OK. On the Galaxy Book S with 8cx Gen1 SC180X Processor there I can boot Armbian. Sometimes there came a Kernel Panic error but when it starts it runs quite stable.
<DC-IRC>
<agl> OK. On the Galaxy Book S with 8cx Gen1 SC180X Processor there I can boot Armbian. Sometimes there comes a Kernel Panic error but when it starts it runs quite stable.
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> can't tell, i know close to nothing about this SoC. We are looking for someone with know how, so we can tweak it to run Armbian on it
<DC-IRC>
<agl> OK
<DC-IRC>
<agl> OK, I will discribing the situation at both Notebooks!