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<terr2>
I need to install my 1st RPi OS. I think I found the .iso files. How do I do this from windows? Also I am perfectly happy to start out with armbian. I just need to know where to get it
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<FakeShell> yeah i realized that i saw the archives there was nothing there either
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<Tenkawa> I use to think the Nano PI Neo Plus 2 was tiny... this one makes it look huge
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<FakeShell> so uh whats up with this? just an empty page?
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<Werner> Either images or building is probably broken and therefore links were automatically removed. Try building an image by yourself
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<FakeShell> alright time to get my hands a bit dirty then
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<IgorPec> should work fine, its a simple board.
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<IgorPec> apply for maintainig this and you might make someone happy
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<FakeShell> i was actually just thinking that
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<FakeShell> i have a nanopi 2 fire as well
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<FakeShell> i have a good amount of experience with porting and maintaining distros so i think i can make it work
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<IgorPec> there are so many different boards so its impossible to support this otherwise ... that's why we have an empty page there. if nobody knows if those images works ...
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<FakeShell> i actually saw the name "Igor" on a lot of different boards :))))
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<Jason123> The allwinner h3 is well supported in mainline kernel
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<Jason123> @FakeShell if you don't want to build then there are regular debian sd card images but its not armbian
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<FakeShell> its fine i'm ok with building i can get to familiarize myself with the build system of armbian
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<IgorPec> "igor" or "test" are defaults
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<IgorPec> 🙂
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<IgorPec> that is correct, but the problem is nobody ever tested builds that are auto generated by debian or other generic distros. And Armbian provides around 450 patches on top of mainlined Allwinner code.
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<Jason123> The patches that armbian provides are beneficial and besides armbian has overlays for my expansion board on the h3 board I have and its enabled by default meaning I can use the extra 2 usb ports if I wanted
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<Flikcer> which channel can i ask about raspberry pi alternatives in? 🙂
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<Flikcer> which channel can i ask about raspberry pi alternatives in? 🙂 do you guys have any opinions on which is good?
<DC-IRC>
<rpardini> Here, but please _don't_ spam all the channels with the same question 😉
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<Werner> Not an easy question depends on what you plan to do with it.
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<Flikcer> Only 2 since the other was more active 🙂 most channels haven't sent a message in weeks so just doin my due diligence :))
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> Do you think a pi alternative is a better option or do you prefer the pi 4?
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<Werner> As stated it depends on what you plan to do with your board. Some are better for multimedia, some are better for iot, some are good for networking/routing and so on...
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<Flikcer> My current plan is just to run Wireshark on it to pair with marauder on a flipper, but I have some other projects I want to try in mind. I just don't want to use my personal for hoards of random data, so I want a lil hobby machine
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<c0rnelius> Its comes down to use case. But for a general hobbyist i'd say a Pi is probs better. It doesn't require as much effort 'most of the time' as most other boards.
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<Flikcer> thanks, ill just wait for a pi 🙂
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<rpardini> One vendor that is trying hard to make good Pi compatible stuff, even has a RPi converter, is LibreComputer. If not willing to wait for a Pi, get a LC Le Potato and you might just like it better than a Pi.
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<rpardini> Also, Amlogic `>` Broadcom any day.
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<Flikcer> i was looking at the o droid n2+
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<Flikcer> the le potato was pretty slow and based on the pi 3 tho if im correct
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<Flikcer> so id rather wait if thats the case
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<Juju.> Hello, I post a question on Amlogic chan, I was thinking it was a simple one but maybe no so I post a simplified question here : What is meson, and if command to know which driver I use say meson, does it means I run Panfrost or an Amlogic blob ?
<archetech>
n2 is best sbc for desktop atm
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<Juju.> You mean N2+ hahaha
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<Flikcer> did my question just get answered by a bot lmao
<DC-IRC>
<Juju.> It is an IRC mirror I think
<DC-IRC>
<Juju.> but yes in a certain way
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<Flikcer> what support is really that good on the pi that its worth getting over everything, just OS support?
<archetech>
meson is a soc familiy of amlogic
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<Juju.> Thanks, so how to be sure to know if I run Panfrost or a blob ?
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<Flikcer> if you had the choice, youd still get a pi over an n2+ though eh?
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> no
<archetech>
nobody runs the blob
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<Flikcer> really now
<archetech>
its old orig tech
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<Tenkawa> I'd get a N2+ anyday first
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<Juju.> ok its not poisoned like with Rockchip
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<Tenkawa> I am working on the N2L as we type (updated yet port reduced N2+)
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<Juju.> I have already a Pi 4 8go but I still buy a N2+ so...
<archetech>
get a rock5 if $ is no object
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<Tenkawa> @Juju. I have 8 PI4's.. don't need anymore...
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<Juju.> Yes and no, its only a CPU good deal, GPU support with mainline is not good
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<Tenkawa> I don't use "any" gpu's on any of my SBC's lol
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<Flikcer> alright so if i want to get a machine for various hobbies and to run desktop applications like wrieshark for a flipper, should i get an n2+?
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<Flikcer> everyone keeps telling me the pi is unrivaled in support but no one tells me what support specifically that is lmao
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<Tenkawa> wireshark is tough on any platform since it is so low level kernel tied to the network stack
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<Tenkawa> You have to get something there with very good hardware support
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<Flikcer> ill be honest im relatively new to this level of hardware, i just got my degree in this so im still learning
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<Flikcer> would you mind explaining that a bit further?
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<Flikcer> its always run normally on my personal pc for classes but i dont want it on ym personal tbh
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> its always run normally on my personal pc for classes but i dont want it on my personal tbh
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<Tenkawa> Wireshark uses a kernel driver to do the packet capturing..
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<Tenkawa> one of the "more fickle" areas of SBC development is their kernels and drivers
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<Tenkawa> You just have to learn the hardware you are working with's "adjustments/limitations/etc"
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<Tenkawa> There's usually always a workaround for most things
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<Tenkawa> I've been working on this forever
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<Tenkawa> (Unix/Linux/etc)
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<Flikcer> so if thats my intended use case i should just wait on a pi?
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<Tenkawa> Not in my opinion.. there's many other great choices
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> And the communities out there are not just RPI only anymore like they were long ago
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<Flikcer> if you have a couple minutes i would love yourr opinion in choosing one! ill order now if whatever chosen is in stock
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<Tenkawa> I'm skewed because I don't use graphics at all...
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<Flikcer> fair enough, you definitely still have infinitely more knowledge than i do
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<Tenkawa> One thing to do is write down a set of goals you'd like the hardware/software to do... budget.... and that will narrow your choices a fair bit
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> the list of popular dev boards is a good starting list
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<Flikcer> thing is im only sure of one of the projects i want to do, i would like something relatively versatile. im kind of using it as a learning tool
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<Tenkawa> the list of popular downloads is a good starting list
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<Tenkawa> although thats only 3
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<Tenkawa> let me see if theres a better stats page on the site
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<Flikcer> doesnt really show me the difference in the devices
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<Flikcer> ive done minimal research on mostr of them
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> watched the linus video linked and looked into all the ones mentioned
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<Flikcer> i understand all the hardware differences
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> but ive never had an sbc so im kind of confused on what people mean by differences in support and software capabilities
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> im not sure how one board with a 2.5ghz porcessor and 8gb is somehow vastly incapable in certain areas compared to a pi with the same specs
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<Tenkawa> Yeah I know there's no differences but it gives you names you can research
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<Tenkawa> You "can" search on that vs raspberry pi
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<Flikcer> i... dont know what makes the boards different from a software or kernel standpoint
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<Flikcer> i just dont know what im looking for if that makes sense
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<Tenkawa> there's a lot of reviews out there for people coming at this new
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<Flikcer> most online forums are showing the n2+ as significantly better than the pi 4 🚀
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<Tenkawa> yep
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<Tenkawa> I fried mine sadly
<Sabotender>
I'm very disappointed with the Armbian images because I have two supposed compatible devices but have not been able to use it for my needs
<Sabotender>
they are both using vendor supplied images.
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<Tenkawa> I have a N2/N2L/M1 and had a N2+ but I fried the N2+'s USB in a lightning storm
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<Tenkawa> I like Odroid boxes
<Sabotender>
the odroid, which I've had for several years, and my Orange Pi, which I've recently acquired. It really is a shame.
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<Flikcer> Not hooked up to a surge protector?
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<Tenkawa> They have a known issue
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> (my rev did)
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<Tenkawa> I had a very old one
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<Tenkawa> I was out of town
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<Flikcer> So you don't recommend em?
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<Tenkawa> I had 15 or so other computers didn't even hiccup...
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> no no... the new ones are much better
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<Tenkawa> Mine was ancient
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<Flikcer> i bet the n2+ could manage windows
<archetech>
there good action on rk3588 kernel now
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<Tenkawa> "good" isn't quite what I would call it... but ok
<DC-IRC>
<Tenkawa> Its "moving"
<archetech>
yeah w/e dude
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> the kernel speak is a bit over my head if i could get it explained like 5 year old possibly 🙂
<Sabotender>
I can recommend neither. The Odroid booted, but did not support my very common wireless network adapter in the kernel, when I do not have access to Ethernet connections, nor did it provide built in mobile tethering drivers/libs, so I was SOL with that one. Amd the Orange Pi Zero 2 image didn't even boot. no PWR LEDs, nothing.
<archetech>
Sabotender try a diff distro
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<Flikcer> now i have no idea what to think lmao
<Sabotender>
the vendor images provided solutions to all raised issues. That's why I'm disappointed with Armbian images.
<Sabotender>
in my opinion, my requests were minor, and would not been too much toto ask to include them within the boot images, but I can only assume, as a consumer,, that they were not important enough to get any major attention.
<Sabotender>
My Odroid is operating as the wireless to wireless router, which I was able to compile the working, 100% working driver, and the Odroid has been configured for use as a Pi-Hole.
<Sabotender>
If you wish to use an Armbian image for a particular embedded model, I recommend you ask around for current users to confirm the image is actually working, and be certain to be crystal clear with the model that you are wishing to gather information.
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<IgorPec> orange pi zero 2 was removed from download. simple as that
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<Flikcer> yeah support seems wonky on the alternatives...
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<IgorPec> support is expensive
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<IgorPec> and there is virtually not input from end users
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<IgorPec> while vendors profit lies in getting support for as cheap as possible
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<IgorPec> what we provide is already far far over possible and people like sabotender will never be happy or understand what is their duty
<Sabotender>
hmm. Point well made.
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<c0rnelius> last I checked there is no special requirement to tether. beyond the usual bits armbian and most deb based distro's already have installed.
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<Tonymac32> 🤦♂️
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<Tonymac32> In any case yes, support is expensive. Vendors generally just dump half finished crap onto the community and run away, pocketing as much cash as they can manage. Then the unfortunate users come here for help, not realizing the majority of us are here for fun and don't get any compensation, and then get yelled at by Igor
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<Tonymac32> 🙂
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<Flikcer> sounds like i should get a pi lmao
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lol well, I think the broadcom chips are a waste of silicon
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<Tonymac32> but
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<Tonymac32> software support is there
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<IgorPec> yeah
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<rpardini> the frakking "shields"/"hats" expect a Pi 40-pin layout; also only instructions you'll find about a lot of things are ad-filled "blogs" with info about how to enable overlays on RPi and nothing else. So if you don't know what you're doing, you'll be best off with a Pi. If you study and learn you can do everything with anything.
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<Tonymac32> I work on overlays for Libre Computer boards, for example. They also run raspbian well enough to allow the silly vendor lock Pi Foundation created to protect themselves to work
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<Flikcer> i would love a more capable piece of hardware but everyone i ask about specific applications regarding the alternatives, the response is always yeah maybe if the kernel will let you or yeah for now but the support is here today and gone tomorrow lmao
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<Tonymac32> I need to cook some overlays for the Renegade, too
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<c0rnelius> the HW on Libre is lacking these days though. Not much bang for the buck.
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<Flikcer> it was based off the pi3 i think
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<Flikcer> so yeah a lil out of date
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<Tonymac32> yeah the Pi foundation cashed in on the efforts of 10's of thousands of people helping them for free out of pure excitement
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<Tonymac32> it's hard to beat that
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<c0rnelius> a little? 🙂
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<rpardini> Yeah. A-53's feel sluggish
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<Tonymac32> yeah, the price jump is steep though
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<Flikcer> i mean... so is that worth the drop in hardware performance for reliability and support?...
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<Tonymac32> $35 to $150 is not insignificant
<DC-IRC>
<Flikcer> 75 to 83 for equivalent n2+ from 8gb pi 4b is fine
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I wouldn't recommend a more open system to a beginner, I'd recommend the Pi sandbox
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<c0rnelius> Pi's I would imagine will eventually drop again. Potato's were selling for more than 35 a year ago.
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<c0rnelius> Pi's I would imagine will eventually drop again. Potato's were selling for more than $35 a year ago.
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<Flikcer> so... get a pi?
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<Tonymac32> everything you've said suggests you're willing to take the hit financially to avoid the extra headaches, so yeah
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<Tonymac32> "it just works" is quite valuable
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<Tonymac32> c0rnelius the potato actually went down in price to $35 for the 2 GB one
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<c0rnelius> Can ur Mother work a smart phone? Than you can work a Pi.
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<Tonymac32> 😄
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<Flikcer> im perfectly fine with headaches, i want to learn. incompatibility as a whole and the inability to do things is an issue im worried about. if its just difficult im fine
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<c0rnelius> @MacKahan Yeah i saw that.
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<Flikcer> im confused whether the issues people present are just difficulty or if the system is completely unable to perform certain things
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<rpardini> Then get an Amlogic like the N2+ or VIM3. It will be hard-ish (compared to Pi) but rewarding, and rock-solid when done.
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<rpardini> Do *not* get VIM4 -- no mainline kernel support.
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<Flikcer> so... just to clarify so i can learn. when people bring up kernel issues and other incompatibility stuff. is that just because its hard to do or because the device is completely unable compared to the pi?
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<IgorPec> tl;dr; most of older popular "clones" are just fine
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<rpardini> It's... complicated. 99% of stuff works. But say "accelerated h265 video decoding" might not be present in mainline kernel.
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<Tonymac32> running just wireshark can be done on anything, I'm not familiar with the other tasks
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<rpardini> Or: "add an I2C OLED to the 40-pins" might require an overlay we still don't have.
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<c0rnelius> Biggest complaint I see about Odroids is... It doesn't reboot properly.
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<Tonymac32> amlogic is a #$%@#% with their boot blobs, reboot is troublesome
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<Tonymac32> or NOT rebooting
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<c0rnelius> I don't have this issue. But its everywhere. That or it locks up,
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<Tonymac32> sometimes they reboot instead of shutdown
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<rpardini> (To be fair: if you up LC's LePotato SD speeds to UHS, it _also_ does not reboot).
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<Tonymac32> there is a hardware bug, don't up the SD speeds 😄
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<Flikcer> why does everyone seem like the tell me to get an o droid then immediately present like 5 reasons they hate it 😂
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<Tonymac32> ROFL
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<rpardini> yeah man we're all traumatized by those little machines we love
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<Tonymac32> you have gotten decision by comittee
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> this is how government works
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<c0rnelius> Funny mine has a problem shutting down.
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<Tenkawa> I really like mine... mine was my own oops
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<Tonymac32> Mine was a pre-release dev version, so it isn't a good example 🙂
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<rpardini> My N2+ has a fried USB3 power controller
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<Tonymac32> what revision, rparsini?
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<rpardini> (allegedly my own fault)
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<Tonymac32> what revision, rpardini?
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<rpardini> no idea, it's now inside a cupboard running my dad's CoreELEC in his living room
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<Flikcer> every one has said like man the n2+ hardware is so good i had to get one. i hate the kernel support, overally OS support, lack of wifi, USB's break, and it takes a shit ton of effort to get anything to work if it will work. but yeah its 5x better 😂
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<Tonymac32> hahaa ok
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<Tonymac32> so the thing is a lot of these guys are desktop/multimedia users
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<Tonymac32> so
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<Flikcer> every one has said like man the n2+ hardware is so good i had to get one. i hate the kernel support, overall OS support, lack of wifi, USB's break, and it takes a shit ton of effort to get anything to work if it will work. but yeah its 5x better 😂
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<Tonymac32> the N2+ has a lot of horsepower
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<c0rnelius> This is why I said, get a Pi.
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<rpardini> I can also heartily recommend the ODROID-M1. But that's Rockchip and a lot more troublesome than Amlogic for a beginner.
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<Tonymac32> for wireshark you could use a Pi 2 😄
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<rpardini> Also, bang-for-buck and almost-bang-for-watt, the ODROID-H3 (Intel! sacrilege) can't be beat
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<Flikcer> theres no pis on the market. im either gonna wait for a pi4b 4gb or 8gb or im gonna get a competitor like n2+
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<c0rnelius> Buy a Pi off Tenkawa. He has a million of them. 🙂
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<Tenkawa> lol
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<c0rnelius> He is the reason everyone is out of stock.
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<Tonymac32> yeah the H3+ is nice but no GPIO
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<Flikcer> lmaooo
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<Tonymac32> hahahaha
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<Tenkawa> haahaa (golem look)
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<Tonymac32> are you planning on sticking a hat on this thing?
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<c0rnelius> It's true 😄
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<Flikcer> i mean i dont have any plans on it but the capability is cool to me
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<Flikcer> sell me one 👀
<DC-IRC>
<rpardini> Ok final position: get a Khadas VIM3, with the cooler, fan, case, and power supply.
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<rpardini> It's an official Android dev platform, and runs Linux so frakking well too.
<DC-IRC>
<rpardini> Pins, eth, Wifi, eMMC, everything _just works_, thermals are great, powered via USB-C.
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<Tenkawa> good price too
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<Tenkawa> I have an Edge2 but its a bit pricy
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<Tonymac32> and useless unless you want to power a sign
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<Flikcer> is the khadas dual cpu?
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> 😄
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<Flikcer> is that what im reading?
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<rpardini> (also: get the extension board so you can do NVMe without the thing sticking out of itself, but drop the case if so)
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<Flikcer> this is turning into a full size pc price lmaoo
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<rpardini> VIM3 is sameish CPU as N2+
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<Tenkawa> vim3 is hex
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<rpardini> but board and power and USB and nvme all work
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<Tonymac32> arm isn't worth it if you actually need a pc 😉
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<Tenkawa> @rpardini if only the VIM4 wasn't stalling on software dev.....
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<Flikcer> i dont, just a hobby and work data machine 🙂
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<Tonymac32> the potato is good cheap starter platform that runs raspbian so you can use the pi tools here and there, and follow examples, and they have a forum and facebook group for support
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<rpardini> nice is that the PoE -> VIN power thing?
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<Tonymac32> if I can ever get our overlays straightened out we'll have good support too 😄
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<IgorPec> yeah, it should be PoE, but haven't tested this yet
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<rpardini> We'll straighten out overlays before 2024 😉
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<Tonymac32> sounds good
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> waited 5 years so far 😛
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> my bash-fu is weak, so I haven't attempted evil
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<EfeCTN> A bit 😵💫
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<EfeCTN> Khadas boards seems very very pricey to me
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<Tonymac32> I think their quality is pretty good, but yeah they are premium price
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<EfeCTN> Agree. There are some trades
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<Tenkawa> They are more however their engineering is amazing quality.
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<Flikcer> but how is the *support*
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<Tenkawa> I couldn't tell you "anyone's"... I never use it
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<FakeShell> all the packages built have `Igor Pecovnik <igor.pecovnik@****l.com>` as the maintainer?
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<c0rnelius> he likes his name on stuff?
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<FakeShell> it do be like that apparently
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<c0rnelius> does it matter to you?
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<FakeShell> 3743 occurrences in the entire build system xD
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<FakeShell> nah
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<IgorPec> nobody bother to change this. i plan to change it to generic ... when time and moon meets 😉
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<FakeShell> it just looked funny
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<FakeShell> and for some reason the email had asterisks in it?
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<FakeShell> yeah anyways i build the image for that nano pi
<DC-IRC>
<FakeShell> yeah anyways i build the image for that nano pi m1
<DC-IRC>
<FakeShell> i'll try it in a bit
<DC-IRC>
<FakeShell> yeah anyways i built the image for that nano pi m1
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<c0rnelius> thats so he doesn't get spammed using a real email addr
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<IgorPec> got spammed anyway 😉
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<c0rnelius> i'm sure
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<IgorPec> but at least not from robots
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<pauhull> i think i wrecked my wifi configuration
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<pauhull> i connected my sbc to a display and the last message i get is "failed to start access point and authentication server for wifi and ethernet"
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<pauhull> does anybody know how i can completely reset wifi configuration so that the sbc at least boots?
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<IgorPec> remove hostapd package once boards boots up
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<pauhull> problem is that i can't connect via ssh
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<rpardini> change it with `MAINTAINER="John Doe" MAINTAINERMAIL="john@doe.com" `
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<FakeShell> thanks
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<pauhull> can i somehow change wifi settings on the sd card?
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<pauhull> i tried armbian first run txt but it didnt change anything
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<IgorPec> Are you perhaps runnings some old image? This hostaps problem should be fixed. Anyway, mame a post to forums and provide info how to reproduce.
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<FakeShell> @IgorPec is there anything in particular i should be testing to mark it as "fully functional"
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<FakeShell> i also have a nanopi 2 fire (s5p4418) which has absolutely 0 support for mainline.
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<FakeShell> i have access to the downstream kernel tho. how should i adapt the build environment of armbian to build it? i know i can probably just bootstrap an armbian rootfs with the patches and compile the kernel with take the zImage and dtb and get them running manually but i want to add it to the build system itself
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<FakeShell> can someone give a bit of info on how to start? porting guide seems to not be available on armbian website
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<Tenkawa> Nothing really "structured" but those are there however I do not know if they have been updated for the new build structure so ... I defer to those more in the know
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<Flikcer> should i get an h3+ over the n2+?...
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<Flikcer> then im kinda in the price range of theVIM3 so idk
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<rpardini> H3's is Intel so _no fun_ -- just a small PC
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<rpardini> VIM3 `>` N2+ in my opinion
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<Flikcer> I mean... that would be easy enough for me haha. But understood
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<Flikcer> i couldnt still run linux on it?
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<Flikcer> it looks like it would be an amazing server
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<rpardini> yeah. You can even run Armbian on it, since we have amd64/x86 UEFI images.
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<rpardini> but also regular Ubuntu/Fedora/Whatever
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<Flikcer> well shit that sounds so much better>?
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<rpardini> yeah but no learning involved, no 40-pin, no "maker" shit
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<rpardini> small PC, that's it. good bang for buck.
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<rpardini> also 2x-3x the watt drainage of an ARM
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<Flikcer> ah youre right its not an ARM i didnt make that connection
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<Flikcer> i mean i know you guys arent planning on going anywhere but the lack of support besides you guys for the VIM3 does make me nervous but whatever ive wasted money on worse things lol
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<FakeShell> both of these pr's seem to be for a board with mainline support. mine has literally 0 support in mainline its nonexistent but he downstream 4.4 kernel works fine
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<FakeShell> what i'm trying to say is that theres no git repo specified anywhere