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<kreyren2>
<Armbian-Discord> "<c0rnelius> you know I don't..." <- simp
<kreyren2>
^-^
<kreyren2>
i just ported OLIMEX Teres-A64 for GNU Guix
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<kreyren2>
<aasami_> "I G N O R E !!! Anybody has..." <- O.o
<kreyren2>
i guess
<p0g0>
my telnet works...
<p0g0>
But I have an odd audio problem. I am running VLC Vetinari on an Orange Pi 5 (rk3588) with an Armbian/Ubuntu Jammy 5.10.110 XFCE img and liujianfeng1994's rockchip-multimedia panfork-mesa libs/setup. This all works well for video. Video files play well with both sound and video working. What fails are straight MP3 files. I get no audio. I can run VLC with an .mkv file with success, then in the same session VLC appears to load and run an MP3, but there is no
<p0g0>
sound. Any suggestions?
<p0g0>
It's not just VLC that cannot play an MP# (nor a FLAC), qmmp, audacity, alsaplayer etc all fail. The files are all OK and they load fine. The tools all show the songs playing, but the VU meters show nothing and no sound is produced.
<p0g0>
VLC is just a good example as it works with videos (plays them, makes sound etc), but it fails, in the same session that just played a video, to play an audio file.
<p0g0>
I asked yesterday in #videolan, but got no replies...
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<dhchunk>
p0g0, i think some of the mpeg audio formats have questionable copyright stuff. maybe make sure you have all 3 sets of gst plugins installed?
<dhchunk>
good, bad and ugly
<dhchunk>
they're not installed automatically on my home distro and hosted outside the US, so that's one of the first things i do with a new setup
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<p0g0>
dhchunk, I just used armbian-config to update the firmware (again) and that finally offered the hdmi-audio in the pulse audio systray's default sink...it seems to be working (for now anyway).
<p0g0>
Thanks for the suggestion tho.
<dhchunk>
p0g0, i'm new to armbian and SBCs in general
<dhchunk>
i'm a long time slackware user and was trying to get slackware-arm on my device, but i just wasn't smart enough
<dhchunk>
it's been 20+ years since i've used an ubuntu based distro so i'm having some n00b problems
<dhchunk>
such as sudo wants my user password, not the root password
<dhchunk>
and i'm used to setting mount points during the install process
<dhchunk>
and i just accidentally remounted /home as /home/home
<p0g0>
yeah, ubuntu takes some *cough dumbing down on your part.
<dhchunk>
when i say slackware, people assume i'm super smart. i'm not. it's just been what i've used since the late 90s.
<p0g0>
Debian and straight Armbian are more my style, but it's a matter of taste
<dhchunk>
i'm not an IT pro, just a hobbyist
<dhchunk>
yesterday i messed up the whole install trying to re-mount /home
<dhchunk>
i couldn't figure out how to boot to a command prompt to fix it
<p0g0>
Well, I am a fan of the Church of the Subgenius and High Weirdness by Mail.
<dhchunk>
so today i just installed the CLI version and will add XFCE when i get it right
<dhchunk>
i've read that hdmi-audio can be tricky. i'm just not that far yet.
<p0g0>
If you have a Grub boot sequence, you can interrupt that and assert "single" to the boot line, and that will stop as a single user with no GUI, just a command line.
<dhchunk>
and that's where my knowledge is a little lacking. do all ARM devices boot from grub?
<dhchunk>
because i don't believe mine does.
<p0g0>
HDMI audio on the OP5 seemed OK, but I always added in the multimedia/mali repos and so I never had a vanilla install-that might have issues I've not seend
<dhchunk>
u-boot and grub are mutually exclusive correct? i don't have UEFI on my dvice (at least i'm pretty sure that's the case)
<p0g0>
u-boot, and the device tree stuff
<dhchunk>
i tried holding shift at boot time which was suggested in the armbian docs somewhere, but nothing happened. so i just re-flashed the SD card with the CLI variant and started over.
<p0g0>
yeah, I'd have to look up how to get u-boot to stop before the GUI, but it still supports the F1-F6 CLI consoles,
<p0g0>
and you can probably telinit 3 (I've not tried that lately, but it should work to get to a single user runlevel)
<p0g0>
the machine I am on right now will move to Console 1 by Ctrl-Alt-F1, for example
<dhchunk>
see now i know how to do all of that on slackware
<p0g0>
and Ctl-Alt-F7 puts me back in the GUI desktop
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<dhchunk>
but that's where ubuntu's ease of use is actually harder for me
<dhchunk>
runlevel 3 is the default for slackware, which is nice for updates.
<p0g0>
You know where the "slack" in Slackware comes from? I'd make more remarks about Bob Dobbs and the theology behind it, if you know the roots of the name.
<p0g0>
Yeah, Ubuntu tries to hide a lot of things.
<dhchunk>
but this SBC will eventually be hooked up to my TV with a remote so runlevel 4 is good
<p0g0>
which SBC? What chipset?
<dhchunk>
p0g0, i only know the basics about that. my history knowledge goes only as far as pat creating it.
<dhchunk>
i wanted an actual rpi but didn't want to buy a BS $200 bundle
<p0g0>
Well, look up "The Church of the Subgenius" some time- it's kinda a flash from the past with a Whole Lot of satire and cynicism. Slack was a kind of spiritual attainment...
<p0g0>
I've been playing with 8GB orange Pi 5 boards, about $110 in the door, but a slow delivery. 8 cores, mali GPU... a lot of grunt for an SBC
<dhchunk>
all of that rings a bell but i've never read much about it
<dhchunk>
i didn't realize the pi 5 boards were out
<dhchunk>
i was originally looking for a DIY emulation box
<p0g0>
rk3588s boards
<dhchunk>
i didn't realize how different ARM was compared to x86
<dhchunk>
it's fun learning though
<p0g0>
They hit the market late last year, Raxda had pre-order offers last spring, but delivered in November or so.
<p0g0>
RISC... it's pretty different.
<dhchunk>
ahhhh, cool
<dhchunk>
i was watching rpilocator religiously trying to pick up a pi 4 for MSRP
<dhchunk>
never anything
<dhchunk>
so i bought this libre computer board instead
<p0g0>
well, poke around, I don't know if you can still get the op5 8 GB + ps for $110, but amazon had them a couple of months back.
<dhchunk>
i don't need that much power in a SBC
<dhchunk>
if i buy another one it'd be for a pi hole
<p0g0>
yeah, unless you want to dump your mini-itx or whatever.
<dhchunk>
don't have one of those either
<dhchunk>
just a relatively decent middle of the road desktop
<dhchunk>
my journey into SBCs is just for fun
<dhchunk>
i'd maybe grab one of the officially supported by slackware ARM
<p0g0>
I'll be trading out several machines-less energy, more core, way less real estate... I'll keep a couple of mini-itx to drive large hard drives, but nigh everything else that not already on some roakchip sbc or AVR MCU will go.
<dhchunk>
it used to just be pi4 and the rockpro64 and pinebook pro
<dhchunk>
i see now they have more board supported which is cool
<dhchunk>
someone in the community maintained an image for another board similar to the rk3328 that i own
<p0g0>
I have a couple of PBPs, but they are for field work (GPS surveying gear) and have a narrow but explicit utility.
<dhchunk>
but i just couldn't get it right. i did get it to boot eventually but no keyboard support (presumably USB issue with the kernel)
<dhchunk>
that's when i decided to throw in the towel and try armbian
<p0g0>
All my rockchip gear is running armbian, though some is touchy and best left Working For Now.
<dhchunk>
now i'm ready to choose my DE
<p0g0>
lxde or xfce...
<dhchunk>
how well will KDE plasma run with 2GB of RAM? haha
<dhchunk>
yeah, xfce for sure
<dhchunk>
dumb question, what the hell is jammy?
<p0g0>
it is a release name for a version of Ubuntu
<p0g0>
they do an alphabetic sequence afaict
<dhchunk>
oh is that short for jammy jellyfish? or some kind of animal that starts with j?
<dhchunk>
i remember that from back in the day.
<p0g0>
yeah
<p0g0>
usually something inane
<dhchunk>
my experience with ubuntu goes back to the early 2000s when i tried to get my non-techy family off windows
<dhchunk>
it didn't work
<p0g0>
I don't get why they don't use a Linnaean taxonomy descent- find some piece of nature and evolve species to species...
<dhchunk>
hey, you probably know this off the top of your head
<dhchunk>
so i used armbian-config to install XFCE
<p0g0>
you can
<dhchunk>
how do i get into it?
<p0g0>
ah, "get into it" you mean the device doesn't boot to the xfce desktop?
<p0g0>
there is a startxfce command, let me look that up.
<dhchunk>
i assume this uses the X window manager
<p0g0>
try startxcfe4
<p0g0>
likely, wayland seems Too Big
<p0g0>
startx might also be a working answer
<p0g0>
or telinit 5
<dhchunk>
startx was my first thought, nope
<p0g0>
I used debian's tasksel to install xfce, so I don't have any experience with the armbian-config procedure.
<dhchunk>
maybe my mistake was running the install script while logged in as root
<dhchunk>
there's no sudo in slackware
<p0g0>
You might find that a working method, as root, "apt-get update" then "apt-get install tasksel" then run tasksel and choose the xfce option.
<dhchunk>
and the relationship between root and the users seems to be different in ubuntu
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<p0g0>
sudo is not something that makes much sense to me- making more users root/wheel seems exactly what folks think is bad, but that's what sudo does.
<p0g0>
yeah, you might move towards debian vs ubuntu, but they are both pretty different than Slack.
<p0g0>
I gotta go. gl
<dhchunk>
nice chatting
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<dhchunk>
sudo apt install xfce4 seems to have done the trick. i think the install scripts included in armbian-config are just meant to configure a xfce4 install that already exists.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> no .. its not
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> its not what it does
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> you obviously have no understanding of user permissions
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> sudo gives access control based on a defined acl list
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> giving someone uid/gid 0 is just a "bad idea"
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> Trying to use armbian on orangepi 5 via nvme. Flashed to SD card, used Armbian-installer to install to nvme, and MTD flash bootloader install as the docs say. Then I go to boot and it errors trying to boot from SD still. No other steps seem to be referenced in https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Getting-Started/#how-to-update-u-boot
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> @Ozfer you able to get those to pastebin?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> or no way to?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> After removing SD card and rebooting It says ALERT /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! In this mode my keyboard doesn't work.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> You are leaving the microsd in right?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> No, I don't want the SD in there I want it to boot nvme from the bootloader on SPI
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> From what I'm reading the OPi5 won' t do that right now
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> ot fron a nvme
<dhchunk>
tenkawa, that might be my issue. i'm used to issuing su to run certain things as root. which after a quick search i now know in slackware is uid 0
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Only from eMMC, Microsd or USB
<dhchunk>
sudo not giving me that same access is throwing me off
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Yeah its very highly recommended to use sudo and not to change your user account's uid/gid
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> @Ozfer read that thread.. it has a ongoing discussion
<dhchunk>
tenkawa, the slackware philosophy is just different. there is no sudo. you elevate yourself to root and do whatever you want. if you break something then you have to figure out how to fix it.
<dhchunk>
that's what i'm used to, but i'm learning
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> I know.. I was using Slackware in 1993
<dhchunk>
that's what everyone says haha
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Well I was a Unix user in 79...
<dhchunk>
after, "slackware still exists? wow!"
<dhchunk>
i was born in 83, got my first home computer in the windows 95 era
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Heh yeah I'm a relic
<dhchunk>
came to linux in the late 90s, tried a couple distros before settling on slackware and never looked back
<dhchunk>
and i'm not an IT pro so i don't have a huge knowledge base beyond what i've learned personally being a hobbyist
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Yeah that was my career
<dhchunk>
i wish it were mine
<dhchunk>
instead i just tinker in my spare time
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Now I just help out with SBC's and teaching
<dhchunk>
last time i messed around with an ubuntu (before today) was in the early 2000s
<dhchunk>
it's simultaneously easier and harder than what i'm used to if that makes any sense
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> I have 3 powered up ARM and 1 RISC-V SBC sitting beside me (and dozens in the next room)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> This is fun stuff.. too bad it wasn't around 20 years ago
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> After manually using armbian-config and editing bootuid to the nvme it will now boot from nvme usind the SD card I guess. not great. I have seen three different pages on different ways to make this work and they are all different from the armbian instructions. People in that page say it should work without the SD card.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> (earlier)
<dhchunk>
tenkawa, i'm finding this fun too. i had no idea what i was in for when i bought my little SBC
<dhchunk>
i just thought i'd install my distro of choice as easily as i did on my desktop
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> @Ozfer I know "some" 3588s will (I have a Khadas that does)... so I know with the right u-boot and setup its possible but the versions/setup has to be right and I'm not sure these all are.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> The u-boot is a key piece of it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> it seems to just need to be pointing to the right thing and for some reason the installer copies over the thing pointing to the sd card
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> No.. that's not all
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> The SoC has to have boot code that understands the MTD subsystem correctly and many of them aren't compiled with it properly
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> So it can't actually initialize communiction with the drive even if its there... The rock5 3588 creates these just to make it work:
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Device Start End Sectors Size Type
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p1 64 7167 7104 3.5M Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p2 7168 7679 512 256K Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p3 7680 8063 384 192K Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p4 8064 8127 64 32K Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p5 8128 8191 64 32K Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p6 8192 16383 8192 4M Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> /dev/mtdblock0p7 16384 32734 16351 8M Linux filesystem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> this shouldn't require anything fancy this is a basic requirement
<Armbian-Discord>
<Ozfer> ill use the SD for now but it sounds like someone else there had the same issue as me
<p0g0>
Ozfer I think you didn't get the boot img right, let me pull up my docs (I have 3 OP5 all with nvme, all working)
<Tenkawa>
p0g0: are they booting "directly" from nvme?
<p0g0>
after you boot the op5 with the sd card, sudo or su -l and as root execute nand-sata-install, then give that a bit of time to finish, then install/update the bootloader to MTD Flash, confirm that, then confirm the nvme SSD is visble with fdisk -l | grep "nvme0n1"
<p0g0>
Tenkawa, yep
<Tenkawa>
(the 3588's should be able to I agree)
<Tenkawa>
but he needs to verify the mtd devices are working
<p0g0>
Once the nvme SSD is visble, wipe it's partition table
<p0g0>
yeah, I think he didn't install the bootloader to MTD
<p0g0>
it's easy to guess wrong iirc
<Tenkawa>
if that table like I posted above doesn't show up on a fdisk -l it didn't flash correctly
<p0g0>
yes, it needs to show up at that step, after the MTD bootloader flash
<Tenkawa>
and what an ugly part table it creates
<Tenkawa>
lol
<p0g0>
yeah, but that gets wiped
<Tenkawa>
no...
<p0g0>
it's the next step, yes
<Tenkawa>
I just posted it
<p0g0>
I'm a 3x winner here
<Tenkawa>
Thats still in my spi right now
<Tenkawa>
as we speak
<Tenkawa>
100 boots later
<p0g0>
well, these three OP5 all boot from nvme, and they all had the partition table wiped after the MTD bootloader flash step
<Tenkawa>
I build my own custom images though so I don't need their wiping
<Tenkawa>
this way I can just keep replacing bootfs/rootfs as needed
<p0g0>
I don't think most images will need it, if the dd is to the nvme not to one of its partitions
<Tenkawa>
yeah
<p0g0>
but, This Works For Me (tm)
<p0g0>
so, you shouldn't care either if yours is a whole disk image, right? It has the partition table in the image.
<p0g0>
anyway, if you get the MTD flash right, the rest is a stock flash to the SSD and it should boot.
<p0g0>
It should boot from the nvme, so pull the SD card after you power down from the NVME dd write step and power it up, it should boot.