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<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> It knows better than us
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> @spyynz paste ur `lsusb`
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> ```
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0bc2:2322 Seagate RSS LLC SRD0NF1 Expansion Portable (STEA)
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 05e3:0626 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB3.1 Hub
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. Hub
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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<spyynz> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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<spyynz> ```
<archetech>
try not to go full retard ^
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> pot, meet kettle.
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> `sudo nano /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf` and put this in the command line: `usb-storage.quirks=0x0bc2:0x2322:u`
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> and reboot.
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> does it matter which line or just new line
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i'm sure urs looks diff. but same idea
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> yes
<archetech>
Random Fortune: We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. - Linus Torvalds about the superiority of Linux on the Amterdam Linux Symposium
<archetech>
cmd: System:
<archetech>
cmd: Kernel 5.10.110-37-rockchip-g74457be0716d arch aarch64 bits 64 Desktop KDE Plasma v 5.27.2
<archetech>
cmd: Distro Linux From Scratch arm64-r11.2-320-systemd BLFS-KDE
<archetech>
cmd: Machine:
<archetech>
cmd: Type ARM System Radxa ROCK 5B details N/A serial <filter>
<archetech>
cmd: CPU:
<archetech>
cmd: Info 3x 4-core model N/A variant-1 cortex-a76 variant-2 cortex-a55 bits 64 type MCP AMP cache
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> if u like running garbage android kernels. yeah. its the future!
<archetech>
ha mainline will be here with a new gpu driver in a month you will shut yer mouf
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<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i doubt I'll shut it. but hopefully that dream happens for everyone.
<archetech>
meantime ya own anything close to a rock6? no so quiet
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> hey if the kernel works it works. its whatever to me really.
<archetech>
meantime ya own anything close to a rock5? no so quiet
<archetech>
cus arm is a contest of who's got the killer sbc
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> no i don't own one. i like other people take the beach. i do it when it makes sense.
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i let*
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i've been burned enough when it comes to RK.
<archetech>
maybe go chat w/ the rpi4 kids c0rn
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<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i thought I was
<archetech>
ill pick on lanefu he bought two duds
<archetech>
helios nas and a D2000
<archetech>
hey I bought a rock4 v2 it happens but I was new
<archetech>
knew I was taken a chance
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> it seems to have fixed immediate errors but I am getting Input/output error while writing out and closing file system when I format this drive and it also says it cannot read block 0 because of the same Input/output error
<archetech>
for $20 no biggy lane was great at tryin to make that POS work
<archetech>
works great on manjaro now though
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<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> You said ur using a USB3 hub? You could try also adding it to the quirks line? My honest opinion of that board is, don't bother trying to use it as a NAS. Its not stable.
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> My D2000 died in a fire of magic smoke
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> At least, it seems to have
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> dude that sucks! it forreal did?!
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> I think it's a SOM
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> maybe that dude can send you one of his other things
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> Well, I need to fully debug, the board is toast as it is
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> It might just be a regulator
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> archetech: yeah my rock64v2 ended up being pretty stable later on between newer uboot and kernel and using emmc
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> Too expensive to fail
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> (D2000)
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> H3+ replacement
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> Intel to the rescue
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> haha yeah
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> h3+ is dope
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> debating if I want to get their nic card and (well probably a second h3+) and turn it into a vyos router or not
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> A ryzen 5 + motherboard can be bought for a similar price of the h3+
<archetech>
word ^
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<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> wasnt really trying to use for a full on NAS, more just a place to store some media. whats so unstable about this board though?
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> similar price I mean cheaper price
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> @Jason123 have a link?
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> on my unit the USB3 port has never been stable.
<archetech>
n2+ has a rock solid usb3
<archetech>
long as it dont fry ;p
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> Can't get it to load right now but I can find link when I do
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> hm ok I guess I could try another port, I don't mind if speed is slow since I'm not using it as an actual NAS, but I can see if thats the issue
<archetech>
n2+ is the best sbc i can imagine desktop wise
<archetech>
killer gpu
<archetech>
but.. when this rock5 G610 gets its act together its game over
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> The thing about amlogic is that mainline most of the time works really well fairly quickly
<archetech>
killer dev work on it
<archetech>
panfrost and tobetter kernel sweet
<archetech>
been so happy w/ it
<archetech>
rock5 will be the successor soon
<archetech>
never try to turn a crap sbc into a nas buy one thats known for good nas use
<archetech>
odroid M1
<archetech>
4 cores and nvme
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> im mainly using mine to run octoprint and to host some other projects i work on locally
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> been using an XU4 myself. Been stable. I also don't need super speeds or anything.
<archetech>
weak sauce ^
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> doesn't seem to effect my streaming.
<archetech>
xu4 good sbc for 2018
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> the thermals are actually fixed in 6.1.y now too. which is nice.
<archetech>
32 bit crap now
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> still a good sbc for what I need it to do in the current year as well.
<archetech>
thats an easy out "what I need it for"
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> the renegade is arm64? and sucks at basic usb transfers so u shitting on it for being 32bit is mute.
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> Yes renegade is 64bit
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> and the N2+ also has shit USB3 transfer rates
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> the original N2 is better in that resoect
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> respect*
<archetech>
BS I get 300mb/s with a ssd
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> renegade is very inexpensive thats mainly why i bought it, it has worked for everything i have needed so far. If the only issue is usb transfer, then i feel like its still decent overall though unless your main use is a NAS
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> Your talking about 32bit armv7 the pi zero has an armv6 cpu that is not even well firefox is not compiled for it anymore
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> consistent? 300mb. BS.
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> I bought the renegade because its cheap and it ends up being better than what I used before
<archetech>
bs? its a ssd ya nut
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> so is mine arche and I use it everyday
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> it drops hard
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> the orig N2 does not.
<archetech>
over usb3 no problem sry ya cant make it work dude
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i'm not sorry. its just a fact in my experience. if you have a better experience, good.
<DC-IRC>
<c0rnelius> i have nothing against the renegade. i think its just the soc isn't all that great. both my rk3328's are lame ducks and useless.
<nekomancer[m]>
fast SBC without big heatsink? pff!
<nekomancer[m]>
only some of odroids have or allows big heatsinks
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> The rk3328 is better than the pi zero 2 I was using before
* archetech
loves that fat azz n2 heatsink when compiling
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> hmmm.. yeah that's def pretty cheap.... i think i can still get a tighter footprint with the odroid tho.. it'll squish on a 1U shelf in my rack
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> plus i don't need an ATX powersupply
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> Yeah true
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> Though the price is much better
<DC-IRC>
<Jason123> But size is bigger
<archetech>
peeps buy crap and come here to make em work just learn to buy right
<archetech>
stop being cheap arm sucks on bad chinese garbage
<archetech>
ie dont be a sucker
<archetech>
realize they hate us
<archetech>
I wanted a rk3588 so I went with radxa worked out ok but thats the exception
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<nekomancer[m]>
is it legal bash string? Y hink there have to be [] instead of {} and something missed before "2>":
<nekomancer[m]>
`if { set -C; 2>/dev/null >${lock_file}; }; then`
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> if you have any questions on the Renegade I can (usually) help, I've been cleaning up the Armbian side to at least match the (actively maintained) Libre Computer vendor images
<nekomancer[m]>
don't repeat my errors
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> ahhh
<archetech>
Tony I always bring the salt
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<archetech>
pass the tequila
<archetech>
you do like that 3328 libre for some reason
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lol archetech I maintain the libre boards here, and contribute to the vendor stuff 😄
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> that SoC is a bit of a sad story, it has some good features, but not being a Chromebook SoC it didn't get the mainline attention it needed
<archetech>
why idk
<DC-IRC>
<spyynz> oh ok cool thanks
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lol Libre contributes to mainlining the processors/etc, unlike most of these other guys
<archetech>
tony cmon thatthing is ancient grab that free rock6 and get w/ the program
<archetech>
rock5
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> that SoC is useless because the kernel is gfarbage
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I have 2 Rock5's and a Vim edge 2 or whatever
<archetech>
so what its wip
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> it'll be wip for the next 3 years
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I have plenty of time
<archetech>
least its current tech for gods sake
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> hardware is useless without software. And I use these devices for their actual purpose, which is not a desktop
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> control projects, kiosk, etc
<archetech>
6.3rc is out its got good new stuff
<archetech>
and panfrost is got the csr working now
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> Yeah I need to take a look at what is actually in there, it looks like it's almost minimum viable
<archetech>
so wake up dude
<archetech>
get with 2023
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I did, bought an x86 NAS and SBC
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<archetech>
heh yeah but arm is the future (tm)
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> haha
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> kind of like RISC-V somehow being relevant on something bigger than a microcontroller competing with a Cortex M3
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> maybe, but not today
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> or tomorrow for that matter
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> maybe in a few years
<archetech>
lame rk3588 should be your focus not some old crap
<archetech>
everybodys buying 3588(s)
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> yeah, it will be obsolete by the time it's worth having, like the RK3399
<archetech>
ya know the 35xx is newer than 33xx stuff ya dummy
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> the RK3568 seems reasonably well supported
<archetech>
guys stuck in the past
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> but I haven't played with it much yet
<DC-IRC>
<srepac> Any fruit pi is crap?
<DC-IRC>
<srepac> Including raspberry?
<archetech>
yep
<archetech>
why waste time on anything non-rk35xx atm
<archetech>
35xx allows for 8GB ram or more
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I danced with the Rockchip kernel before it was even this bad, and lost a lot of time for nothing
<DC-IRC>
<srepac> Coz I think the rk35xx is crap
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> until it's in mainline I won't waste more time
<DC-IRC>
<srepac> Worse than raspberry pi4 or cm4
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lol the hardware is 10x better than any garbage RPi stuff
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> but the software is a complete loss
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> those broadcom chips should have been discontinued in an effort to improve the global silicon shortage and curb e-waste
<archetech>
dumb is dumb no sense in explaining tech to idiots
<DC-IRC>
<srepac> Hardware is “better” but if software can’t use it then forget about it
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> that's fair
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> but the RPi foundation creates designs on par quality wise with BPi
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> so even if the SoC is acceptable, the board is just sad
<archetech>
this I work on old crap cuz it has support is how new stuff doesnt get attn
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> well, the attention needs to come from people who can invest
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> $$$
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> because the Rockchip TRM is a joke
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> a 2-part joke
<archetech>
ya sound like yer goofy boss
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> he's no boss of mine, and I'm not asking you for it 😄
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> the point is, to get good software support takes real work, device driver writing, etc
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> there's no incentive, this entire SBC industry is too small to move that needle
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> and the hardware producer needs to be involved
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> and they only care about chromebooks and tv boxes
<archetech>
its being actively worked on ya wacko
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> by like 10 people
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> and Rockchip ain't in the room in any real way
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<archetech>
wrong!
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> it would be done if they were
<archetech>
panfrost devs and kernel devs are kickin azz ya goof
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> since they have all the info required
<archetech>
3588 will be mainline soon no matter your neg attitude
<archetech>
I hate rockchip still is best bet on arm atm
<archetech>
the G610 when pnafrost is done it will smoke ALL arm gpus avail
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I'm not even disagreeing with you on anything except the fact that I am not a kernel dev, so it makes 0 sense for me to fight with this beast until those handful of 100% not Rockchip people get a lot further along
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<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> Collabora, suse, etc, great job
<archetech>
na you should be on thier azz and incorp their work into armbian weekly
<archetech>
imo
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> archetech you're not on the googlator midstream kernel yet?
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I will check if 6.3 boots. then and only then would I go there
<archetech>
ya got such a lazy attitude for a distro dev
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I'm trying to keep the boards that work, working
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<archetech>
let em go
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> and that is tough when people sabotage stuff
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> then fork off onto their own project XED
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> XD
<archetech>
say im a 3588 dev let some dork support old stuff ;)
<archetech>
is my point
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> fork back.. i mean they were a fork before.........
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> fair
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I forgot that detail
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> but now I gotta clean up stuff
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> someone was sleeping in your rockchip bed
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lane did you boot a mainline on your Rock 5's yet?
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> yeah I did mainline last week before i switched to googlator midstream
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> The last merge in of a new Rockchip processor was like a flock of geese being let loose in a house shitting on everything
<archetech>
googaltor!
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> then disappearing
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> CPU stuff looked good.. but no USB or PCIE left me dead in water
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> if it boots I'll mess with it, no on both of those is rough
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> though*
<archetech>
bs pcie2 and 3 are now support in 6.3
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> yeah if you had a rk3588s board where you can use the GMAC then probalby worth playing iwth
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> it's only rc
<archetech>
so what if its rc
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> the edge 2 is worthless unfortunately
<archetech>
the code is there
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> I can tape it to a monitor I guess
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> rofl
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> just use midstream kernel until 6.4 IMHO
<archetech>
get 6.3 and new panfrost stuff into arnbian rk3588
<archetech>
make armbian the go for rock5
<archetech>
I see dweebs using it but with old builds I just laugh
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> lol
<archetech>
I have armb 22.x good for you dork
<archetech>
I have LFS bleeding edge
<archetech>
ernel: 5.10.110-37-rockchip-g74457be0716d arch: aarch64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.2 Distro: Linux From Scratch
<archetech>
System: Radxa ROCK 5B
<archetech>
luv to use armbian if it had the new stuff
<archetech>
isnt that what armbian next is for
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> armbian-next was merged to `main`
<archetech>
been fun cya
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<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> yep, active env
<DC-IRC>
<Tonymac32> same, I should jump in here more when you're on
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> does anyone have experience with rock 4 se and MIPI DSI displays?
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<stipa>
meteyou ,if there's nothing on the internet probably not
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> i have only found forum posts with the radxa image. i have not found anything from armbian in combination with MIPI DSI.
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> is it possible to use the `rock-4-raspi-7inch-touchscreen.dtbo` with armbian?
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> is it possible to use the `rock-4-raspi-7inch-touchscreen.dtbo` (copied from radxa) with armbian?
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<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> so you need a detailed instructions and a code?
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> or perhaps even plug and play experience?
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> i just wanted to know if it's worth jumping into the rabbit hole or not. if they say that the radxa dtbo files have nothing to do with the device tree overlays of armbian, then i won't bother.
<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> but if i can use this as a kind of "base", then i would continue to do something in this direction.
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<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> i just wanted to know if it's worth jumping into the rabbit hole or not. if you say that the radxa dtbo files have nothing to do with the device tree overlays of armbian, then i won't bother.
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<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> make a research and you will know
<DC-IRC>
<IgorPec> we are providing this as a professional service. as otherwise we can't sponsor you
<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> i jumped a little bit deeper in the rabbit hole and found that radxa is providing dts files and found the docs from armbian <https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Allwinner_overlays/> (i hope these are also working for rockchip). will try to convert the overlays from radxa to use these as user overlays in armbian. otherwhise thx for your info.
<DC-IRC>
<meteyou> It's just a pity that support of an open-source project is put behind a paywall. On the other hand, that's understandable for armbian and the flood of china SBCs. But it's a disadvantage for other open-source projects that want to work with armbian...
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> I don't think there's anything keeping other open-source projects from participating
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> big difference between contributing/collaborating and asking for focus to be redirected
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> it's mostly users and random contributors that mess with things like LCD screens and add-on hardware.... armbian core team focuses on the build framework and shipping usable base images
<DC-IRC>
<lanefu> like most open source things. it's a meritocracy. easier for people to get help when they've already tried and have good documentation on their testing/research/attempts vs a cold ask for something new
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<meteyou> support for contributing and support for usage the result are two different things.
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<meteyou> but the part of user overlays are a part of armbian and no generic linux thing. so i was just asking about an armbian function itself. pls feel free to redirect me to another community/guides/place where i can ask how to work with armbian.
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<meteyou> i know myself what it means to give support for an open source project. i do that 24/7. even if it is not 100% part of my project, but a dependency.
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<meteyou> but i have already understood that i can't expect any help here for my questions. thank you very much so far.
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<meteyou> bye
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<IgorPec> Who are you to define what "armbian function" is?
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<IgorPec> you will tell us where is the line or you will be told where the line is?
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<IgorPec> those things has nothing to do with technology or armbian
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<IgorPec> and armbian has like 1000 people who things the same as you 24/7
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<IgorPec> now imagine how this looks like
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<lanefu> Other community people will help. Just don't bother Igor for free.
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<IgorPec> not that simple
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<lanefu> @IgorPec you're doing your Igor thing and "educating" people that don't need it. just let other people help if they help
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<meteyou> sry. i dont want support form igor itself. i just ask all people here.
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<IgorPec> if question is placed 3 x , i will ban that person, regardless of anything
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<meteyou> because armbian have docs for "user overlays". that was my hint for a "armbian function". if i'm wrong. pls correct me...
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<IgorPec> this goes into abusing support.
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<IgorPec> if we say, we don't support that, case is closed
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<IgorPec> there is no arguing about
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<IgorPec> you are free to use documents, nobody prevents you to read them
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<meteyou> i know. and i just want to know, if i use the right function or not.
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<IgorPec> are you dumb?
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<IgorPec> HOW DO I KNOW OR ANYONE THAT this covers your problems?
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<meteyou> then pls say "i dont know".... case closed for me
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<IgorPec> no support is a lot cheaper for me
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<IgorPec> as we would never GET TO THIS STAGE
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<meteyou> pls dont shout. nobody will "attack" you
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<IgorPec> you are
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<IgorPec> "there is no support" and you keep asking "will that work"
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<meteyou> i'm sorry if it comes that way. it was definitely not my intention.
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<IgorPec> you are here a guest
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<IgorPec> so? Once again. If you get an answer "there is no support" what you will do?
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<IgorPec> a) keep insulting us with more questions
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<IgorPec> b) do something else
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<meteyou> i dont wont to ask here again if google does not give me any more solutions/ways i can try.
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<IgorPec> at least - you ask once, then you stop
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<IgorPec> you are not in a position to make any pressure
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<meteyou> as i said. i dont want o make any pressure! pls come down! case closed.
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<meteyou> as i said. i dont want to make any pressure! pls come down! case closed.
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<IgorPec> i am calm. don't make this again
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<IgorPec> and one tip for the future - If Google doesn't find what you are looking for, get your credit card ready or prepare for weeks on work. And ... stay away from us too.
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<Werner> Really? ...
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<Werner> Would not be the first time those common rants not only scare away users but contributors too.
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<IgorPec> look whole conversation
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<IgorPec> end user not happy with "no" as an answer
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<IgorPec> polite in several attempts
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<IgorPec> still not happy
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<IgorPec> still not accepting "No" as an answer
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<Werner> Yes I read that and I don't see any good reason to call someone "dumb". Best you can do at this point is stop the conversation. Other probably would say 'If you don't have anything nice to say ...' you know the rest.
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<IgorPec> this was not first time, that's why
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<IgorPec> being polite, sadly milking never stops
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<Werner> Sure but you do not have to handle that if you don't want. Prefer looking at code rather than chat. Will make you more calm and happy.
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<IgorPec> nobody will handle that. that's the point
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<IgorPec> and if someone start spaming with questions, this it pure violence
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<Werner> This is community chat. Support is provided by Community at best effort. Let Community decide that.
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<IgorPec> yes, you ask once
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<IgorPec> if there is no answer, you don't start with applying more pressure
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<Werner> Still there are even more polite ways to communicate that IMHO
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<IgorPec> yes, but that is expensive
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<Werner> Your time is valuable. So don't waste it on that then. Again, let community and last but not least our chat staff here decide.
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<IgorPec> 1. technical question that is not covered by armbian 2. abuse by repeating questions
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<IgorPec> its better to remove this chat support service then allow this to happen
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<IgorPec> if person is asking for a question that anyone around needs days do answer or has to made a serious research ... what do you expect?
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<IgorPec> such things can't be covered even they would be behind that support. this was outside and approach from "customer" was impolite
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<IgorPec> since this support is not paid by "customers" this is not like Microsoft support service, where proffesionalism is 1st then everything else
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<IgorPec> if problem was not solved by nobody, this always means extremly difficult to answer. We never provide such support
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<Werner> It is not a support chat. It is a community chat where people can help each other. I wonder then why we did start with the whole IRC thing then years ago.
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<IgorPec> well, it depends how that person on the other side thinkgs
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<IgorPec> well, it depends how that person on the other side thinks
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<IgorPec> and how we communicate this and how rules are respected
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<IgorPec> if person crossed the line, we block him ... this is today, this was 30 years ago
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<IgorPec> if it doesn't get it soon enough
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<IgorPec> if person see this as a free no limit support service, like in this case, ... we will have a conflict
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<IgorPec> if you read closely ... they are often surprised "how dare you to not help us"
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<IgorPec> they fucking don't want to even hear how expensive this is for us
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<IgorPec> and "how dare you to no help" doesn't belong here
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<IgorPec> and "how dare you to not help" doesn't belong in this dialog
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<Werner> "dumb" doesn't either.
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<IgorPec> its community chat
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<IgorPec> insults doesn't belong here to
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<IgorPec> and if i tell person 3 x something and he stills runs his own egoistic agenda, "dump" is perahps the only way to tell him there is something wrinog
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<Werner> I'd prefer going the stop conversation route in this case to avoid insults from our side.
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<IgorPec> ok, will use kick next time
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<Tonymac32> go review my PR so I can make another one
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<Tonymac32> meteyou sorry I didn't notice this before someone else intervened: I have used the RPi screen with Tinker board 1 only in a Rockchip vendor kernel. there must be a driver for the microcontroller the Foundation put on there to handle things their SBC was incapable of, I don't know if that's in mainline or not.
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<Tonymac32> long ago Asus wrote one for the Rockchip 4.4, it's the only example I've personally seen work
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<IgorPec> this user is constantly milking support and is coming from a group that is covering less then 1% of the currently generated costs. And he wants to make MORE of costs.
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<IgorPec> he was denied politely 3x , so stop bitching
<archetech>
well ya ask for peeps to contrib then ya make us jump hoops typical
<archetech>
ill build it myself as usual
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<IgorPec> contrib to your personal needs ?
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<IgorPec> just do it
<archetech>
i have no need for it
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<Werner> Bumping that seems a bit more complicated. Sources from that midstream kernel have not been pushed further than 6.2-rc1 (yet). So you'd basically have to patch everything that has been pushed to mainline on top of these sources which most likely will fail due to incompatible customization.
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<IgorPec> he knows that ...
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<IgorPec> but seeks someone to do that for huim
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<IgorPec> but seeks someone to do that for him
<archetech>
for the whole rock5 user commun
<archetech>
not for just myself
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<Tonymac32> hey archetech, that kernel is an abomination, we looked at bumping it, it was... extreme
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<Tonymac32> haha
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<Tonymac32> it's a nice demonstration of "what if"
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<IgorPec> archetech: so do it
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<IgorPec> stop abusing others
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<Werner> I'm still surprised how kind a simple it seemed to introduce a whole new kernel branch just for that 😄
<archetech>
somebody maybe bump this to 6.3-rc2 is abuse?
<archetech>
yall are insabe here
<archetech>
insane
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<Tonymac32> nah not abuse
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<Tonymac32> that one can't be done without a week of pain
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<Tonymac32> and the gains are negligable, just use the 6.3
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<IgorPec> yes
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<Tonymac32> the midstream is cool, but ridiculous
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<Tonymac32> all at once
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<lanefu> midstream is great for docker
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<Tonymac32> Igor we do need to move rockchip64 to 6.1 for the current
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<Tonymac32> then we could 6.3 the edge
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<IgorPec> i lost track on this move, that one is the only one left behind?
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<Tonymac32> I think so? I need to go look again now 😄
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<Tonymac32> oh, that PR I made causes 0 functional change, it's organizational only
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<lanefu> so are the PCIe patches and related DTB stuff in the 6.3rc? or they still floating in maintainer trees
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<IgorPec> i forgot why we didn't bump ... wifi drivers or something
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<IgorPec> but now everything is okish probably?
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<Tonymac32> I've been building/running "edge" exclusively on my hardware for a while
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<Tonymac32> I've been more busy cleaning up the configs/family files
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<Tonymac32> PBP is next to get its board-specific junk stuck in its conf file instead of in the family tree
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<Tonymac32> one less if ... fi
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<Tonymac32> if I'm not careful rockchip64-common.inc will be under 500 lines 😄
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<IgorPec> ok, lets move then
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<Werner> Also interested in testing this then on R4S for see if stability improved. I never managed to have it up more than a few weeks until it ran crazy for unknown reason.
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<spyynz> is pihole ok to run on a LC Renegade?
<Herc>
pihole runs on almost any sbc (consuming very little resources)
<Herc>
runs on an old odroid here
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installed via armbian-config IIRC
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<Tonymac32> yeah it should run fine
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<srepac> Pihole can even run on orange pi zero
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<srepac> Pihole can even run on orange pi zero 256MB with pikvm
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<ChopNorris> Hello everyone! I'm a completely newbie in linux. I've bought an orangepi 3 lts to use it for homebridge and I wanted to install it using docker. I've followed the steps and when executing "docker run hello-wolrd" I get the next error:
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<ChopNorris> Hello everyone! I'm a completely newbie in linux. I've bought an orangepi 3 lts to use it for homebridge and I wanted to install it using docker. I've followed the steps and when executing "docker run hello-wolrd" I get the next error:
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<ChopNorris> docker: Error response from daemon: failed to create shim task: OCI runtime create failed: runc create failed: unable to start container process: error during container init: unable to apply apparmor profile: apparmor failed to apply profile: write /proc/self/attr/apparmor/exec: no such file or directory: unknown.
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<ChopNorris> ERRO[0001] error waiting for container:
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<ChopNorris> Any idea? Thanks in advance!
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<lanefu> `sudo apt install apparmor -y`
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<ChopNorris> I've just tried, still get the same error
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<ChopNorris> I've just tried, still get the same error. Shoudl I config something on apparmor first?
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<lanefu> `armbianmonitor -u`
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<lanefu> usually installing the package is sufficient
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<ChopNorris> Done, gimme a sec so I can see where can I upload it
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<Tonymac32> should have spit out a url if you're connected
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<ChopNorris> im a bit newbie, just flashed the Opi3 with the armbian image and went ahead to try and install docker. Maybe I missed some important config steps
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<lanefu> ix.io has lost some reliability becaues armbianmonitor does a ping test
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<Tonymac32> ah
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<ChopNorris> reported a firewall issue
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<lanefu> starting to think you have an edge case
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<ChopNorris> as said, I might have broken something in my attemps to install it. Could flash a fresh ISO if neccesary
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<lanefu> have you restarted docker since instaleld apparmor?
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<lanefu> reboot for good luck lol
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<ChopNorris> ill restart the hole Opi, wish me luck haha
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<ChopNorris> restarted and got
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<ChopNorris> docker: permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial unix /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied.
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<ChopNorris> See 'docker run --help'.
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<Werner> usermod -aG docker yourusername
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<Werner> Or use root
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<IgorPec> so it loks like we need to add apparmor package to the build?
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<lanefu> its a weird one where i really blame debian's package of `docker.io` for not making it a depedency... but yeah it's been an issue for a while... so probably wouldnt hurt to add for most
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<IgorPec> docker must just work IMO
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<lanefu> yeah
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<lanefu> anyway applies to debian and ubuntu since like bullseye and jammy i think
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<ChopNorris> Finally docker is running properly! even after using usermod still got the same message, don't know why I had to use sudo to execute it
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<ChopNorris> But seem apparmor was the problem
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<IgorPec> you need to logout
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<IgorPec> or reboot
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<Werner> yeah, logout and in so new group assignment have effect
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<ChopNorris> I see, guess I'll have to get used to login out more frequently in linux. Newbie mistake
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<ChopNorris> anyway, would it be recommended to make a clean installation of armbian so I'm sure I did not mess up anything? Don't have anything else installed so is not a big deal
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<Werner> If there is nothing to loose sure, why not. Go ahead
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<ChopNorris> Great, thanks everyone! I'll see you guys around here while I try to understand a bit how all this works
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<lanefu> have fun glad you had an easy win
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<ChopNorris> easy because you guys sorted it out, I've been a few days trying on my own without any success haha
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<matrixanomaly> Q on best place for Armbian to receive donations (least processing fees), is it Github sponsors? I know Paypal has pretty high fees.
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<matrixanomaly> QQ: Where is the best place for Armbian to receive donations (least processing fees), is it Github sponsors? I know Paypal has pretty high fees. Have not used LiberaPay before.
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<srepac> PayPal friends and family has no fees
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<EfeCTN> Are you f22 raptor?
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<srepac> The pic I took is of a F-22 Raptor
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<EfeCTN> Awesome fighter
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