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<rpardini> phew. NickServ, man. what a trip.
<TRS-80> haaaaay!
<TRS-80> welcome to the Free World! :)
<rpardini> and, if not for Discord, I'd not know there's been a release. May it be glorious! Congratulations
<TRS-80> back, welcome back
<TRS-80> lol
<TRS-80> I get my news from #armbian-rss ;)
<rpardini> building Textual is painful
<TRS-80> is that IRC client?
<rpardini> yeah, long story. on macOS
<TRS-80> yeah I just had to look it up, that's what I was thinking macOS
<TRS-80> but hey, baby steps, here you are in IRC :)
<nekomancer[m]> 5.15 so unstable on N2. 2-4 crash-n-reboots to build one armbian edge image on n2 for n2.
<nekomancer[m]> and after install fresh uboot into flash 5.10 not boots
<archetech> use tobetters kernel
<rpardini> read the notes. 5.10 for odroid meson64. 5.15 is borked for months now and will not resolve itself faster if you keep screaming at it, I think.
<rpardini> do even offer 5.15 downloads for n2? we shouldn't
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I haven't tried N2+. Was not aware of that.
<lanefu> i'm a fan of #armbian-rss
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<nekomancer[m]> n2 not have `stable`.
<nekomancer[m]> possible it means "no"
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> so here is a question ..we want armbian on some laptops but dont see any arm based other then the pbpro
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> is there any arm based chrom books that have been converted in the past ?
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> as can not find pinebooks anywhere
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<TRS-80> possibly another production run of pbp soon
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> well I hope so
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> lloking forward to it
<TRS-80> as a small mfr, they were very impacted by the covid craziness and supply chain issues
<TRS-80> to their credit, they have been very transparent all along in blog posts, etc.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> ok
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> well I will watch for it and as of tomorrow I head east
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> back to where men are men and the farm animals run scared
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> lol jk
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<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> I will ping when i get settled in and unpacked.
<Armbian-Discord> <k​.s.bedford.jr> talk soon
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<JackFrost> I'm a little late, but congrats on the new release!
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<TRS-80> thanks man, I'm beat
<TRS-80> gn all
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> later
<stipa> k​.s.bedford.jr check out the supported hardware page, there are a laptop or two
<stipa> there are some arm laptops running alarm
<stipa> steev: is in that waters and buZz
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> what's up stipa
<stipa> T​onymac32 yo man, i'm thinking of crashing
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> haha all good
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> just saying hello
<stipa> yeah, coffee doesn't want to cooperate much
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄 I switched to whisky
<stipa> cheer sman
<stipa> whiskey is for big boys
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol
<stipa> business guys, like bosses over here like to drive around
<stipa> and have whiskey meetings
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hmmm
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I haven't been in the office sine last year again
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> although apparently we're going back in April on rotation
<stipa> pandemic calmed down
<stipa> maybe there won't be any waves anymore
<stipa> but now is a fucking WW3
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah
<c0rnelius> Could be worse. Trump could still be in office.
<stipa> he should retire
<c0rnelius> If you mean put in the cell next to Putin. Yes.
<stipa> he's not cool anymore
<c0rnelius> he never was :)
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<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> Just loaded latest bullseye Armbian onto SD Card. When sudo apt update, I get following: Err:6 https://apt.armbian.com bullseye Release Redirection from https to 'http://armbian.hosthatch.com/apt/dists/bullseye/Release' is forbidden Guess it's just http vs https thing. How can I fix it?
<[TheBug]> lanefu ^^
<[TheBug]> SirRFI: it may be a bug in the redirector, lane would need to take a peak to provide better information. It would appear maybe one of the links was added to the redirector wrong so it's returning http instead of https for some reason
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<buZz> stipa: so wish i could run armbian instead
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Try again
<IgorPec> beta image supports https while redirector not, right?
<IgorPec> works now
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> Thanks for fixing it quick. However, I cannot test it anymore - I burned buster legacy kernel instead, as I was testing various versions for TinkerBoard.
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<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> On side note, I noticed that desktop version (buster-legacy for TinkerBoard) borks frequently. I am uncertain what causes it, but updating might be one of the reasons.
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<IgorPec> legacy with kernel 4.4.?
<IgorPec> that's here solo because better multimedia support
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> Yes. I tested few images from https://armbian.hosthatch.com/archive/tinkerboard/archive/ - and I mosttly tried buster-legacy due to https://forum.armbian.com/topic/16517-rk3288rk3328-legacy-multimedia-framework/
<[TheBug]> and it also depends on what you mean by bork -- often drivers used for decode can be buggy so if you are doing a lot of video decode and your seeing it freeze up or something..
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> I wanted to test if desktop version works any different than CLI version with i3 installed
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> TheBug bork as in after reboot it wouldn't boot to GUI anymore. The last two times it broked for me, LightDM tried to start itself in loop few times, before ultimately giving up.
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> In the end I am interested in CLI to i3 for minimal kiosk-like setup anyway
<IgorPec> we need someone to poke with i3 - we have it in the build system
<IgorPec> its pretty raw unpolished debian variant i think
<Armbian-Discord> <S​irRFI> No, I meant the desktop variant with XFCE borked. Self installed i3 works fine so far on Armbian_21.05.4_Tinkerboard_buster_legacy_4.4.213
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> G'Mornin'. I see that I don't see and article at cnx about the new release. Did anyone contact Jean-Luc?
<lanefu> Maybe he just didn't want to see a fight in the comments section
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I'm sending him an email about it.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> So for "some person" Armbian isn't important, doesn't make it so for everybody.
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I send him (J.L.) an email. He can do what he wants.
<IgorPec> lanefu: why https doesn't work anymore on redirector?
<IgorPec> it was worked an hour ago
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<lanefu> IgorPec: that same f-ing bug
<IgorPec> so we should not use https in the list?
<lanefu> yeah going forward I think we should default back to http:// and let people switch to https if they want
<lanefu> but anywya i've got my script running to reload redirecr when it stops goign ot the right place
<lanefu> also.... i still need to try the golang app replacement cats wrote
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<lanefu> my script checks every minute and reloads if its wrong lol
<IgorPec> so we have a bad-ass workaround in place ;) LOL
<Werner> haha
<lanefu> lol yep
<lanefu> lane@stuff:~$ sudo ./monitor_site.sh
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:14:38 AM EST] polling
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:15:38 AM EST] polling
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:16:38 AM EST] polling
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:17:39 AM EST] polling
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:17:39 AM EST] she failed us reloading
<lanefu> redirect.armbian.com:
<lanefu> apt.armbian.com:
<lanefu> apt.armbian.com (test):
<lanefu> archive.armbian.com:
<lanefu> beta.armbian.com:
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:18:40 AM EST] polling
<lanefu> [Tue 01 Mar 2022 08:19:40 AM EST] polling
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<lanefu> TRS-80: hey man... really nice work on that announcement
<lanefu> our finest one yet by far
<Werner> indeed
<TRS-80> it was too long
<TRS-80> but thanks
<TRS-80> I did work on it like most of weekend!
<TRS-80> well and before that, too
<stipa> there's a reason why some ppl are called pros
<TRS-80> my juicy quote did make front page of LWN :)
<TRS-80> about BSP
<TRS-80> oh it's still there https://lwn.net/
<TRS-80> today I go around and follow up on comments all the places I posted links
<stipa> sounds fun
<TRS-80> Oh yes and some of touchier bits were done by acotrell, who phrased some previously whiney/angry parts in a much nicer and more productive way IMO. I took them almost exactly as they were. And rpardini gave some great feedback halfway through which resulted in another mini re-write almost all day on Sunday.
<lanefu> ahh! yeah the tone was _really good_
<[TheBug]> lol least spell my name right :Z
<[TheBug]> if you gonna dox me
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> but yeah good final release
<[TheBug]> I ran out of steam after a bit there
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<TRS-80> Sorry [TheBug]
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<lanefu> hahah yeah i was wondering who that was
<TRS-80> me too lol
<TRS-80> [TheBug]: Re: running out of steam, by the end of yesterday I was exhausted man
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<nekomancer[m]> <[TheBug]> "lol least spell my name right :Z" <- your name is Z? It's your machines burns in ukraine?
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<TRS-80> lol
<TRS-80> Development forum says 'restricted' but after looking in forum settings, I don't see that there are any hard restrictions actually. I wanted to make a general post but want to make sure anyone can see and reply to it.
<TRS-80> Maybe I just make it in Off Topic, as I guess it's only somewhat related to Armbian Development.
<TRS-80> topic is open source graphics stack videos by A. Rosenzweig (sp?_
<TRS-80> )
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<TRS-80> (but only a little) lol
<TRS-80> holy crap we were just re-twatted by Tom's Hardware
<c0rnelius> whats that twitter for lady parts?
<TRS-80> I'm just not a fan of (anti-)social media, generally speaking
<TRS-80> particularly proprietary platforms, of cource
<c0rnelius> of course. i'm just joshing around anyway.
* TRS-80 is in SRS BZNS work mode :D
<c0rnelius> i have an account but don't use it.
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<mdx001> i'm having issues with my odroid n2...since 1 or 2 years. at last i trying it with with armbian focal xfce but i saw there is a newer release. i will try it with that current release. everything was good until i upgrade it.
<mdx001> after upgrading the odroid n2+ wont reboot??
<mdx001> something I miss to do?
<archetech> what kerneel
<archetech> one is broke
<mdx001> can't tell you...I have to take the new release..after that I can
<mdx001> tell you
<archetech> might chk the forum
<mdx001> :)
<mdx001> I downloaded this image. is this kernel okay? Armbian 22.02 Focal XFCE Kernel 5.10.y, Size: 1093Mb, Updated: Feb 27, 2022
<archetech> somebody will be along I run my own OS on my N2+
<mdx001> do you having an advice for me?
<archetech> ive used manjaro xfce on n2
<archetech> and deb sid lxqt
<mdx001> I have also tried an manjaro image but it wasnt easy for me...I can handle with debian based but not good with other distros
<TRS-80> mdx001: Thing about IRC is, you may get lucky, but only (very) small part of community is here. If you don't get satisfactory answer after a while, maybe make a forum post.
<mdx001> will do
<archetech> reinstall armbian upgrade it but exclude the kernel
<mdx001> can you explain a bit more: exclude the kernel?
<archetech> google the apt command
<mdx001> please?
<mdx001> okay
<mdx001> thank you
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> mdx001: what image are you burning to SD?
<mdx001> armbian 22.02 focal xfce kernel 5.10y...
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> you should use the 22.02 Focal XFCE 5.10.y
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> that should work. I wish we had a Jammy with 5.10.y for the N2+
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> will try to see if we can get some more 5.10.y images up, and remove the 5.15.y ones (5.15 is not working yet on the N2)
<mdx001> yeah i would prefer that too...but focal is okay for me too...
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> you facing any specific problems with that build?
<mdx001> I'm at flashing that current image to emmc
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> so you boot from SD, then nand-sata-install to eMMC?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I don't own the eMMC module, was never able to test that path
<archetech> 5.10.y on n2+ is a terrible version the gpu drm is too old
<mdx001> that was formerly a big thing to me. no, I using a adapter
<mdx001> is a reason but not a problem...
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> N2's are a finnicky beast between SD and eMMC
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I personally run it with u-boot in SPI (replace petitboot) and a USB3 pendrive, without cables
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> any USB cabling makes it go cuckoo
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> archetech: why don't you take a shot at a 5.15/16/17 rework for meson64?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've spilled all the secrets, it's just a bit of sit-down work
<archetech> are you the n2 armbain guy?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> no, I'm just talking out of my ass, lol
<archetech> so whats the specific 5.15 problem?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> lack of man power / time
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've reworked 5.10.y, but not 5.15.y
<archetech> whats more important than the best sbc armbian builds for I dont get that it gets so neglected
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> it's finnicky hardware, even if the SoC is fast and cooling is great, all the USB specially is very badly done
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> and, vendor u-boot up until the other day
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> eMMC/SD/SPI share pins
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> damned eMMC/SD voltages and clocks, all works via hacks
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> and finally the damned to hell "reboot" driver from HK
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> it's just really, really complex. whatever works is work of heroes in Baylibre, due to Home Assistant, and LibreELEC.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> go bitch about it to the vendor, not us. I've invested more hours in that device than any other, and it just is not worth it. HomeAssistant also dropped it. I focus now instead on the HC4, which is sweet
<archetech> why reinvent the wheel just use https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-n2/software/building_kernel native compile
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> well, there your showing your naivete...
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> why don't YOU do that and see what version kernel you get? if any panfrost/drm supported?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> reinvent the wheel, indeed.
<archetech> ur funny ive had the n2+ for almost 2 yrs not a bit of kernel uboot issues
<archetech> or usb3 issues either
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah on a vendor+legacy u-boot, then legacy kernel
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I'm happy it works for you...!
<archetech> w/e tobetter uses it works perfect with panfrost
<archetech> same for arch/manjaro
<archetech> ya best re-eval your sources and ways
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> he. yeah, again, happy that works for you. not for me, thanks!
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I'm quite confident in my sources and ways, but always happy to hear decent suggestions
<archetech> ya and ya got broken n2 since it came out
<archetech> still sit here and defend yourself
<archetech> all I ever getis then you should do it for us
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> well, yeah, I was just trying to help a user out. instead I got this pointless discussion with someone who has it all working and wont contribute. great!
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> mdx001: wish you luck with the N2. further help at the forum, I guess!
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> goes back into his cage
<mdx001> yeah, i just happy if the n2+ don't hung himself after upgrade...i will thinking as said to upgrade and exclude the kernel...
<archetech> yup panfrost wont work but vendor blobs will with 5.10
<archetech> gpu wise
<nekomancer[m]> <mdx001> "after upgrading the odroid n2..." <- I got the same. I have to setup freshest uboot into flash manualy then kernel 5.15 start to boot... but 5.10 stop boot. and with 5.15 my n2 often (20-50 minutes) reboots under load. watchdog daemon should be set up.
<TRS-80> archetech: Holy shit you are seriously arguing that a BSP kernel is better than mainline?
* TRS-80 slaps palm against forehead
<c0rnelius> nekomancer[m]: whats ur: dmesg | grep "Reserved memory"
<archetech> no just better than what ya got which is nuttin
<c0rnelius> is it getting set properly? should be 896 MiB
<mdx001> c0rnelius, at the moment its not in use... like to do next day... :(
<TRS-80> 'better' is a matter of opinion, I suppose
<mdx001> okay, thats some info i can use
<c0rnelius> mine use to flip out and die or reboot all the time until forcing nomap.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Trs-80 it isn't the worst argument from a pure usability standpoint. It is not what we are working for though, so it does not fit our model
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Having 100+ unique impossible to maintain kernels is not in scope
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A different kernel source for every board would be ridiculous
<archetech> typical dev pov
<TRS-80> logistics considerations are /only one of many/ problems with BSP kernels, a symptom of the root cause from my point of view
<archetech> plain jane vanilla kernel for all else no armbian for you N2+ what a myopic stubborn view
<TRS-80> don't we provide BSP kernel as an option there (I honestly don't know)?
<TRS-80> I know we do (or did) on a lot of other boards
<archetech> the best sbc isnt worthy of an exception is what I hear
<TRS-80> best in your estimation
<TRS-80> besides, why even have policies? Jimeny Christmas
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> TRS-80: yeah, BRANCH=legacy is still there last I checked. but we don't build it or offer images. for obvious reasons...
<TRS-80> OK so sounds like nothing is preventing you from building Armbian that way if you like archetech
<archetech> I have
<archetech> works fine but I prefer an odroid ubu/deb build any day
<TRS-80> ok so then I am not sure what you are on about when you say 'plain jane vanilla kernel for all else no armbian for you N2+'
<TRS-80> in fact it comes across (to me) as a bit disengenuous tbh
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> really a waste of time, people, no use arguing.
<archetech> besides after I install armbian ubu 22.xx and swap out the kernel its now a vanilla ubu really
<archetech> so whats the point right
<TRS-80> anyway rpardini already said all that is standing in the way is someone doing the work, I don't understand what your problem is
<TRS-80> just standing on the side throwing rocks, whilst contributing noting
<TRS-80> anyone can do that
<archetech> I dont have a problem other than saying n2 deserves an exception to the "policy"
<TRS-80> What exception to what policy? To my understanding, we are not producing images for any of several reasons.
<archetech> ya turned away 2 users that wanted an n2 build that wont die on update
<archetech> in 2 days do the math on that
<TRS-80> no one turned away anyone, wtf are you on about
<archetech> poor n2
<TRS-80> if you don't like it, help out then, I really don't understand where you are coming from
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> gotta clarify this: users on 21.08 or older trying to update will face problems unless they know they're way around the bootloader and kernel
<archetech> get a dev for n2 that cares
<TRS-80> archetech: You are way out of line, clearly @rpardini does care.
<TRS-80> F/LOSS development happens whenever people have time/energy, not on your schedule archetech
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> nah, really, there's so many devs out there right? you can pick and choose one that cares even!
<TRS-80> archetech: Have you actually ever submitted a patch to anything? Published your own software, anything of the sort? I suspect you are very far out of touch with how all of this actually works.
<archetech> I wrote the Linux from Scratch ARM book
<TRS-80> well good on you for that, I honestly didn't think you had it in you lol I suppose I owe you an apology
<TRS-80> Well how would you feel now if someone came along and said your book sucks and maybe get a new writer who cares? Hmm? ;)
<nekomancer[m]> <c0rnelius> "nekomancer: whats ur: dmesg..." <- ```... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2336e4a3aec1d72cac5f609f37a82650e4df983d)
<c0rnelius> nekomancer[m]: thats why its failing
<c0rnelius> [ 0.000000] OF: fdt: Reserved memory: failed to reserve memory for node 'secmon@5000000': base 0x0000000005000000, size 3 MiB
<archetech> the book isnt broke while users come by to use it
<TRS-80> Obligation of F/LOSS developer ends when they publish their code, anything beyond that only exists in your own mind.
<Armbian-Discord> <b​ret> d'oh, just submitted a message about a new mirror and forgot to say that it's set to pull via rsync every 2 hours, if any of you are the ones reading that email then rest assured I did actually set that up too 🙏
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> c0rnelius: we already carry that patch.
<c0rnelius> then why the error?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> why would an fdt revert would have anything to do with cma?
<c0rnelius> that part recently changed in the kernel source. are you sure the patch isn't failing?
<c0rnelius> you don't have to believe me. but it does fix the problem.
<c0rnelius> it allows for the memeory to me marked correctly. currently he only has 3MB which causes the board to fail and reboot if watchdog is installed.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah, it does, on 5.10 by reverting to 5.9 behaviour
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> that patch is applying cleanly on 5.10 build btw
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> NOT on 5.15
<c0rnelius> not sure about 5.10. I stopped using it.
<c0rnelius> I just now its diff for 5.15 and up currently.
<c0rnelius> know*
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<c0rnelius> yeah thats the old one.
<c0rnelius> Need to redo it for 5.15.y
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> uh... understand... the kernel moves forward
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I unfortunately only had time to rework 5.10
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> 5.15 has NOT been done, and won't be soon
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> please, do it yourself, or stop asking... 🙂
<c0rnelius> me?
<c0rnelius> I'm not asking.
<c0rnelius> I'm letting him know why his board is rebooting for no reason
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> ahn, yes. sorry I misread.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> so maybe, please direct people to 5.10, instead of a patch that won't revert 5.15 to 5.9...?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I know, I know. I will go back to the cage for real now! Nice chatting folks!
<c0rnelius> Do me a kindness and read. I'm not as nice as archetech.
<nekomancer[m]> <c0rnelius> "that part recently changed in..." <- it applies when I place it into `userpatches/kernel/meson64-edge`
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* nekomancer[m] now building 5.15.25 with patch from first c0rnelius link
<nekomancer[m]> c0rnelius: do you mean my system reboots just because I have watchdog set? if I turn off watchdog — will it just hang rorewer, or wil just work?
<c0rnelius> nekomancer[m]: good luck. that 3MB error should go away.
<c0rnelius> nekomancer[m]: Yeah. If you didn't have watchdog set it would halt with a CPU error. At least thats what mine and othjer peps boards did.
<c0rnelius> other*
<nekomancer[m]> viva la watchdog then.
<c0rnelius> there is a whole conversation about it on lore.kernel.org.
<c0rnelius> It was never resolved hence the revert. Sounds like a mainline u-boot issue.
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