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<TRS-80>
@NicoD Thanks for feedback, I am pretty tired but maybe I edit some more tomorrow.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Lazy... I haven't rebooted it enough to do it. Only when power outage I need to reboot. Doesn't happen much. But I'll re-setup my HC4 with vanilla Armbian and then do it right. And maybe make a video out of it...
<TRS-80>
I think it may get more views than you think. I don't think vast majority of people need things like OMV, OpenNAS, etc. Like I said if you need/want that then fine. But doing the simple/basic way I think people on your channel might be interested in.
<lanefu>
TRS-80: i use btrfs for it's compression, and snapshotting, etc, not for its redundancy and perf
<lanefu>
i mean i do have a dual drive sytem where i do use btrfs for some mirroring
<TRS-80>
I will need to study that tomorrow, I am fading fast, didn't eat all day, etc.
<lanefu>
HAHA
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<aandrew>
hello - is the banana pi zero (allwinner h3, same form factor as rpi zero) supported under one of the other bananapi configs?
<aandrew>
oh nevermind, it's not mentioned on the search page but google found it (no official support). What does unofficial support for it consist of?
* buZz
guesses 'most of debian works'
<buZz>
:P
<buZz>
seriously, probably means just no warranties as there's no test for that hw
<aandrew>
oh I see, there's a menuconfig option at the board selection to show csc/wip/etc. right in front of my nose
<c0rnelius>
el gazpacho policía
<TRS-80>
cold soup police?
<c0rnelius>
I guess you didn't see the video of Marjorie Taylor Greene. I'm trying to keep it alive.
<lanefu>
c0rnelius: god please dont
<c0rnelius>
hah
<TRS-80>
someone dit lol
<TRS-80>
did
<c0rnelius>
so funny
* TRS-80
somehow thinks he doesn't want to know
<lanefu>
aandrew: means we don't publish an image,, but thee config to build a system image is in teh build tool, so you can "easily" build your own image
<c0rnelius>
The world has already moved on I guess. I still smile when I think of it.
<TRS-80>
is this an old meme?
<c0rnelius>
nah its like two weeks old or something? maybe not. A lot has happened.
* TRS-80
is a meme connoisseur but probably should eat dinner instead
<TRS-80>
I'll split the difference and search it up later
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> eating dinner is good for you
<c0rnelius>
i just had "hot" tomato soup with a side of garlic jalapeno cheese naan. pretty good.
<archetech>
tom soup w/ 3 pepper cheese swich
<buZz>
c0rnelius: jalapeno naan? jummmm
<buZz>
sounds great
<lanefu>
yeah that does sound good
<lanefu>
old guys talkin about soup. this channel is cool AF
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
i thought this was ##cooking ;)
<tonymac32>
hmmmm
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<c0rnelius>
yeah I don't wanna brag or anything like that. but its in my belly right now.
<nekomancer[m]>
c0rnelius: no one crash since I install kernel with patch you recommend.
<c0rnelius>
good
<nekomancer[m]>
sweet!
<TRS-80>
Glad to hear it guys!
<TRS-80>
c0rnelius: If I was understanding convo between you and @rpardini correctly, it seems he is aware of this? As I think he will be working on bringing meson forward from 5.10 to 5.15 soon.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> nekomancer: does it reboot without hangs? 😄 (sorry, I'm traumatized)
<TRS-80>
Anyone else following along at home, please also test if you have this hardware, report your result!
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> by now I'm thinking skip 5.15 and go for 5.17, maybe. anyone knows which chewitt's at?
<archetech_n2>
lmgtfy
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> but, again, right now my tree has more pressing issues to fix, eg, packaging DTBs. so patch away ya'll, send me PR links here if I take too long on GH
<c0rnelius>
its my understanding the patch is already being used in 5.10.y. Its just slightly diff in 5.15 and up.
<archetech_n2>
its probly already in 5.17
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> a revert? I doubt it
<archetech_n2>
ya if its a new patch corn can patch chewitts sources and give us a pkg
<c0rnelius>
I'm using tobetters.
<c0rnelius>
I already have his patch set extracted
<archetech_n2>
5.17 tobetter on n2?
<archetech_n2>
ill take 3 pls
<c0rnelius>
5.16. I haven't tested 5.17 yet.
<archetech_n2>
ah nm
<c0rnelius>
looks like he updated it yesterday. I'll run a diff and clean it up.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> hope one day he learns what git rebase is
<c0rnelius>
i doubt it
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<c0rnelius>
running a test build now. of course that would probs need to be isolated or modded to get it to work in armbian.
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<archetech>
I installed kde and both generic and oibaf's mesa are broken
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah. and Armbian prefers Signed-off-by: patches, complete with full attribution when possible. So we can track them down later
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I did some squashes here and there sometimes, but those have turned out bad
<archetech>
so looks like a yr has passed since I tried kde and nothing has improved
<archetech>
I can try enabling tobetters jammie repo
<c0rnelius>
Plus he still creates legacy dts files. Which won't fly in armbian.
<archetech>
ah so its pointless
<nekomancer[m]>
<Armbian-Discord> "<rpardini> nekomancer: does..." <- Yes, but I have watchdog. Maybe it hides hangs from me. My N2 stay headless.
<archetech>
that leaves building mesa from source on the armbian
<c0rnelius>
Some one would need go through the dts of importance to them and diff it against mainlines. I've been meaning to do it but its whatever to me. I just use his dtb's.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> that's just a part of his madness, duplicating and messing the dts for no good reason
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it's just so messy
<c0rnelius>
its stupid, I agree.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it's a if he knows that stuff will never head to mainline ever, so he tries to keep it separate, but then makes a square wheel trying to do that and fails
<archetech>
maybe but ya cant argue with his results I can run any de on a base odroid n2 image
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so it's 3x as worse as if he just hacked directly on the upstream dts
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> now the good news is that I have seen some of his commits land on torvald's tree. funny though it's not for odroid stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> seems some amlogic bananapi or something.
<c0rnelius>
armbian already patches the mainline dts files and creates overlays. So in theory the only bit of importance is the second patch.
<c0rnelius>
wouldn't be to hard to cheery pick out of it and grab whats missing from armbian.
<c0rnelius>
cherry*
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> not hard a at all
<c0rnelius>
like for me I just like that my n2+ reboots and my fan works :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah. When I finally got mine stable I was very happy. But really, was not worth the time spent
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it's very fast indeed
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> and thermals are amazing
<c0rnelius>
real pain indeed. thats why i started diff his source.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I am preparing to cycle mine out of production so I can work on it
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> c0rnelius: are you using emulated pwm fan stuff?
<c0rnelius>
emulated? I don't believe so. there is a trigger.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> looky tobetter's tree, you'll see. fan is on/off, but they've pwm emulation so they can "pulse it"
<c0rnelius>
I just set it during boot. if the board heats up to a certain point the fan spins up.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it's the kinda hacks they do when users complain fan is too loud
<c0rnelius>
shit. he broke his odroid reboot .c file again. looks like I need to fix it.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> lol, just drop that stuff man
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> set that config =y for DRM stuff and it's not needed at all
<c0rnelius>
nah I use this trip point: /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_4_temp
<c0rnelius>
man it works! I'm just gonna fix it :)
<c0rnelius>
he does this all the time.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> exactly, that trip point refers to a cooling device that is pwm emulated.
<c0rnelius>
oh. hmm. well you know more than I about it. I just know it works.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> whole question is, doing it right would be so much easier, is it just hard-headed?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> he goes to great lengths to do it the most convoluted way possible
<c0rnelius>
that I don't know. I've only chatted with him briefly. he seems like a nice fella.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> as if trying to dissuade anyone from understanding it
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> sure, not personal here, I guess just a drastic culture rift
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> open vs corp, etc.
<c0rnelius>
seems like they're trying to be the Asian equivalent of the rpi foundation.
<c0rnelius>
just what I get out of it
<TRS-80>
I am decidedly of the 'not corporate' variety, but come on maaan
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> well, the rpi foundation has done a stellar job regarding mainline linux
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> u-boot, of course, not so much, but they've Tianocore certified too
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> unfortunately HK is not even close. exynos is abandoned at 5.4?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> and meson is being literally kicked up in versions without any care, tied to vendor uboot
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so no, they're not trying to be anything, I guess, just trying to stop users complaining
<c0rnelius>
RPF only started caring since bcm2711. They also do tons of stuff that will never get mainlined.
<c0rnelius>
Thats all I mean by it. HK on the other hand doesn't seem to care at all really.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah. a shame. I wonder how's it with the beelink box?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> there's an S922 based beelink right?
<c0rnelius>
I'm not sure. ONly one I have is this one.
<c0rnelius>
I was looking at the radxa zero2 as I'm pretty sure its a similar SoC to S922X.
<c0rnelius>
alright I think I fixed it. Lets see if it builds.
<archetech>
GT-King
<archetech>
922 tvbox
<vpeter>
Radxa Zero 2 has A311D and there is one Beelink with S922X
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<c0rnelius>
yeah its a g12b. shares the same dtsi file as the s922x.
<TRS-80>
c0rnelius: Did you check out the videos I made a thread about recently? Apparently F/LOSS graphics effort began as amateur reverse-engineering effort, eventually after some public pressure Broadcom actually hired the guy and paid him to develop a F/LOSS driver.
<c0rnelius>
only thing in the a311d dtsi is a cpu opp table. TRS-80: No I haven't. I'll check it out.
<c0rnelius>
Is this why you have a new love for broadcom? :)
<TRS-80>
it's why I 'hate them a little less' now ;)
<iobus>
is there a cheap risc-v SBC that can run linux and also 1080p youtube?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I wonder how we can get a hold of someone with that GT King S922
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> willing to try builds on it, lol
<TRS-80>
@rpardini I guess you mean mfr? I was thinking just go to TV Boxes forum. :D
* iobus
oh ARM, sorry
<TRS-80>
iobus: I was going to say, I don't think such thing exists. lol
<c0rnelius>
right when I start selling my pi stuff TRS-80 starts hearting on them. go figure.
<TRS-80>
iobus: Check out some of NicoD videos, he give a lot of good info about desktop capable Armbian SBCs.
<TRS-80>
there are also some forum threads
<iobus>
@c0rnelius are you selling used pi boards or your own products?
<TRS-80>
used ones
<c0rnelius>
iobus: if u use Libre/CoreELEC a lot of them.
<iobus>
@TRS-80 thanks
<TRS-80>
also there is no need to @ people in IRC, only Discord ;)
<c0rnelius>
iobus: yeah pi's
<TRS-80>
OK I guess I better go shower and eat, hold down the fort c0rnelius
<c0rnelius>
on it
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> they got vdec mostly working for vc4 recently too, libreelec userspace is working very well
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> v4l2_m2m seems to actually work with h265 even
<vpeter>
I have that beelink :) It is black plastic box right?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> vpeter: I dunno, I think it was blue with a skull or something?
<c0rnelius>
what using LibreELEC? In my last testing on Debian it could only do x264.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yep. I built LE from master recently and it's now all 64-bit on rpi4, and hw accel all around working, some small gitches here and there, was very surprised
<vpeter>
blue is gt king pro
<c0rnelius>
Which in all honesty is pretty normal. So I'm not knocking that. Its all I can get out the radxa zero as well.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> wow that's very interesting
<vpeter>
and newer blue gt king pro doesn't have rs232 interface anymore
<vpeter>
but it has wifi 6 :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah but that SDIO board changes everything man
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> WHERE CAN I GET IT? 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> like, send me a dozen
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> (nah, j/k, but 3 I'd take for real)
<vpeter>
Currently out of stock and I am not sure if some come back on stock
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> anyway tell me about that black+skull S922X
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> what have you running on it?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> does it reboot? lol
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<TRS-80>
oh no we have lost a good developer to TV Boxes bullshit :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I got started on a tvbox man, Oleg's builds, so I'm just revisiting my roots here
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> back then S912 was the hot new stuff
<vpeter>
Last time it was running one version of coreelec - few months back. But it using Linux 4.9.113 and 4.9.269. Not mainline you you guys like :D
<TRS-80>
I actually do make the point periodically that is potential very fertile recruiting ground, real hackers just figuring thingd out in there, and I am constantly amazed
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ahn. ok. "true" legacy stuff. we can get it running mainline. it's all in there already, maybe some few tweaks
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> and I'll betcha it runs better than the odroid
<vpeter>
It does media playback the best :-)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> except, for course, for cooling
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah. no vdec for mainline amlogic yet I guess. again, libreelec leading the work there
<vpeter>
Well, more like using the work.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> is it? I don't follow media devs much. I thought Baylibre -> LE
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> either way expect a beta build for that beelink sometime, keep your toothpick ready
<vpeter>
What does have Baylibre to do with LE?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> nothing, except some shared people working on both?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I dunno.
<vpeter>
I doubt that anyone really work for LE. But maybe I'm mistaken.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> all volunteers AFAIK
<c0rnelius>
Linux odroidn2 5.17.0-rc6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 3 13:56:35 EST 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<c0rnelius>
its not armbian specific... good luck.
<c0rnelius>
I use the: /boot/amlogic/meson64_odroidn2_plus.dtb
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<c0rnelius>
and be careful as the scripts in the deb will room stuff from ur boot partition. same with the headers deb
<archetech>
boots but I get a green screen in console tty
<c0rnelius>
odd.
<archetech>
dtb/dts
<c0rnelius>
which dtb u using? I have login
<schwarz_Kat>
Hi all... I've inherited a pair of Pine A64's the ones with 1GB ram. Defs not the latest and greatest. Anyone used these? What are they good for?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> any pro's to using extlinux? u-boot-menu and such?
<c0rnelius>
Honestly, its just what I always use. You can create a basic menu with it, but its not that exciting. I personally use it because you can edit on the fly and reboot if you need too. no silly mkimage boot.cmd garbage.
<c0rnelius>
I also don't understand boot.ini files :)
<c0rnelius>
So there is that part.
<archetech>
lol kinda important
<c0rnelius>
I tried.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I am working with that part of Armbian (the non-extlinux part, I mean) and wanna move all to extlinux
<archetech>
I can try to edit the scr
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> wondering why we haven't, yet
<c0rnelius>
extlinux is just so easy.
<archetech>
ok how
<c0rnelius>
archetech: its like a super basic grub config
<archetech>
well a new kernel has to point to the dtb it was compiled for
<c0rnelius>
/boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf would be the file.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> the-Going found that u-boot-menu Debian package the other day. I wonder if that works
<archetech>
no extlinux dir here
<c0rnelius>
create one
<archetech>
ok thats why I want a step by step
<c0rnelius>
u-boot is suppose to look there first
<c0rnelius>
if it doesn't find it then it looks for everything else. unless its some kind of crazy vendor u-boot. then I don't no.
<archetech>
its stock armbian 22
<c0rnelius>
maybe some here knows what its using?
<c0rnelius>
someone*
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> 2022.01 last I checked
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> standard defconfig for most stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> there's some extlinux stuff Oleg works on, but I never hit it
<c0rnelius>
rpardini: i've never used the package but I know a basic menu works.
<c0rnelius>
I just tee my extlinux files into place when I make the img.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah, u-boot-menu creates the extlinux file for you, based on the kernels you have installed (linux-version list)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> a bit like update-grub, but for extlinux
<c0rnelius>
yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it sounds like a grand idea, we could ship multi-kernel images 😉
<archetech>
maybe armbian-config can update the uboot for this rc kern
<c0rnelius>
the problem is... who is gonna setup an arm board to support multiple kernels
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> whats worse, I'm considering doing that by default
<c0rnelius>
someone at devuan was asking me to do that for pi's and I was just like... no. I would have to change the whole kernel packaging setup.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> for the rpi's we're using flash-kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> and vendor uboot
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> that might change if someone takes it up, of course
<c0rnelius>
I saw that. Never even heard of it until you guys started using it.
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: Yes RPi compatible pin header and GPIO's on a header called Euler. I'm sure that I can find a use for them, just wondering if there are some ideas. Good idea but I already have a great network media player.
<archetech>
ok thks
<TRS-80>
schwarz_Kat: How bad is the state of Armbian support for those? lol
<c0rnelius>
archetech: I just tested it too. It boots for me and no green screen. I don't think I added any extra wifi goodies to the kernel build though and I just wired in for the test.
<schwarz_Kat>
Bad... but I have them working fine on 5.10. Compiling 5.16 Jammy and will test when I get home from work. :)
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: I'm more at home with with minimalist headless servers. Web servers, DB's routing DNS/DHCP and infrastructure stuff. None of my other boards have a display, so my imagination around these two boards may be a bit myopic.
<TRS-80>
schwarz_Kat: You might be surprised how many of us are in that boat. It was only couple years ago that mainline graphics stack matured enough that it became viable for hobbyist SBCs (and thus, Armbian).
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<archetech_>
c0rnelius, can I get that link again im on the right machine now
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<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: Lol... yep I guess so. Though there do seem to be a fair number on the forum with multimedia and graphics apps. I'll have to see whether I can find a Pine64 enthusiast. Probably a few years to late though.
<TRS-80>
Well I seem to be the resident PINE64 advocate, for various reasons. Even though they are not popular with some of mgmt because they supprt us not one whit. Which I understand.
<TRS-80>
schwarz_Kat: Is A64 same as Rock64 ?
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<schwarz_Kat>
TRS80: Their web site support is appalling. Broken links everywhere on older boards. When I look at the OS's Armbian was possibly the only mature candidate and now those links are broken and the versions don't exist anymore in the Armbian archive. The board is also very sensitive to PSU voltage. I have a 3A 5V PSU that has worked fine with every other board that I have tried. I couldn't get these Pine64s to boot consistently. I eventually
<schwarz_Kat>
plugged a USB voltmeter in and found that it was only displaying 4.63V. Another PSU solved the issue.
<buZz>
4,6V from a 5V supply is not so nice :P
<buZz>
what board are you talking about?
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: "Is A64 same as Rock64", I don't know. Rock sounds like it might be Rockchip though.
<schwarz_Kat>
buZz: Runs Armbian fine. Looking for ideas for uses.
<buZz>
schwarz_Kat: yeah what would you ever use a computer for ^_^
<buZz>
hehe
<buZz>
schwarz_Kat: a fun thing ppl seem to like is 'kodi' to turn em into (somewhat dated) mediaplayers
<schwarz_Kat>
buZz: Yep, except that slot is filled on my network by a somewhat more powerful box :)
<buZz>
you dont have a second screen?
<schwarz_Kat>
buZz: Have a couple of smart TV's connected to a media server and a whole bunch of computers of various types for work and hobbies. Don't really have place for more screens. Desks covered by computer screens, kids laptops and pads cluttering up everything else.
<buZz>
alright :) i have no idea what you were thinking to need more computers for then
<schwarz_Kat>
Inherited them...
<schwarz_Kat>
I have that bug that bites and says find a use for them.
<TRS-80>
Reason I asked if they are same, was because some people were having graphical glitches (on our and PINE64 forums).
<TRS-80>
that was Rock64
<TRS-80>
but I am confised on models
<TRS-80>
confused
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: I may investigate and see what Rock64 is when I get home.
<TRS-80>
appreciate it
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: Curiosity got the better of me. It's a Rockchip RK3328, so not the same.
<steev>
A64 typically means allwinner, rock usually does mean rockchip, yeah