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<TRS-80>
tomorrow maybe I work on fixing this, it's almost dinner time
<buZz>
yeah it goes deep :P
<TRS-80>
guys that's been here a long time, devs just skip over stuff like this but it can be extremely confusing to newcomer
<TRS-80>
imo
<buZz>
i dont think even 'pine64' expected to make SBCs with something -other- than A64
<TRS-80>
So yeah, it sounds to me like things maybe changed over time?
<TRS-80>
Originally they only had the one board I guess?
<TRS-80>
ok dinner, cheers
<c0rnelius>
it's all hype. get of the big D.
<c0rnelius>
off* even.
<c0rnelius>
pine64 just has a shit track record. someone I know has the rockpro64 and they say its solid. but who know really?
<c0rnelius>
I'm not sold on it, I'll say that much.
<buZz>
c0rnelius: so 100% of your friends with experience say its not shit? :D
<c0rnelius>
no me
<buZz>
TRS-80: they started the company with that one board, yeah
<c0rnelius>
1 friend says its good
<buZz>
how many of your friends have it and dont agree?
<c0rnelius>
I only know one person with it and they say its good and then of course I read. From what I've read that the only real star in the bunch.
<buZz>
so 100% of your friends with experience say its not shit? :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> Is it expected that Armbian 22.02 packages aren't in the apt repo yet, at least for bullseye? I'm not seeing anything newer than 21.08.x for the kernel or anything else (u-boot, bsp, etc). This is with the original apt config from 21.08 prebuilt nanopi-r4s image.
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/armbian.list deb http://apt.armbian.com bullseye main bullseye-utils bullseye-desktop
<c0rnelius>
No. I say they aren't shit. You can quote me if you want.
<buZz>
< c0rnelius> pine64 just has a shit track record < c0rnelius> I'm not sold on it
<buZz>
?
<c0rnelius>
pinephones and dumb laptops that aren't going to amount to anything because they don't put shit behind their product isn't gonna produce anything of substance. In my opinion.
<buZz>
what do you need them to 'amount to' ??
<c0rnelius>
pine as in the company.
<c0rnelius>
they just keep releasing shit upon shit and hope devs that don't get paid will fill the void.
<buZz>
phones and laptops aren't going to amount to a company?
<buZz>
eh?
<buZz>
they arent trying to be apple
<buZz>
why would they :D lol
<c0rnelius>
sounds like I'm hitting nerve which is why ur not saying anything.
<buZz>
they're -literally- making toys for devs, and nothing else
<c0rnelius>
exactly.
<buZz>
not dumbsumer products
<c0rnelius>
nothing else
<c0rnelius>
its garbage
<buZz>
fuck consumers
<buZz>
yeah they are
<buZz>
horrible complaining crowd that cant even rtfm to save their lives
<c0rnelius>
thats all they are doing but the marketing is the opposite
<buZz>
they are marketing a consumer product?
<c0rnelius>
yeah. they are.
<buZz>
The purpose of the PinePhone isn’t only to deliver a functioning Linux phone to end-users, but also to actively create a market for such a device, as well as to support existing and well established Linux-on-Phone projects. All major Linux Phone-oriented projects, as well as other FOSS OS’, are represented on the PinePhone and developers work together on our platform to bring support this this community
<buZz>
driven device.
<buZz>
^^^ have you even -read- their marketing? :D
<c0rnelius>
thats all they are doing but the marketing is the opposite
<c0rnelius>
shit
<c0rnelius>
stupid keyboard
<c0rnelius>
Before my keyboard punked me. There market it like a lot of other companies. I could mention a few but we all know why they are... They promise the world and deliver on very little and the hide behind what you said. Its for devs... Then why say it can do all this shit then?
<buZz>
do what shit then?
<buZz>
'make calls' ???
<c0rnelius>
No. Work.
<buZz>
their -market- isnt a like any other -company-
<buZz>
their -market- is a -market-
<buZz>
not a company
<c0rnelius>
It runs Android.
<c0rnelius>
It runs this
<buZz>
lol , nah
<c0rnelius>
it can do that
<buZz>
android is shit, nobody gaf
<c0rnelius>
Yeah it run it and do that but not for shit.
<buZz>
thats for teenagers and grandparents
<buZz>
try maemo leste ;)
<c0rnelius>
Why are you defending them?
<c0rnelius>
I don't get it
<buZz>
buuuuut i assume this is another ' c0rnelius has a opinion based on zero experience '
<buZz>
c0rnelius: because you've only said 'i dont like it' in about 100 lines without any argument to support your claims
<c0rnelius>
if you knew me I would say maybe this is going to go somewhere, but you don't and just got called out. Why are you defending them?
<c0rnelius>
We all know what this is.
<buZz>
?
<c0rnelius>
its not rocket science
<buZz>
1) you dont have such devices
<buZz>
2) 100% of your friends that do say they're nice
<c0rnelius>
I have pine devices
<buZz>
3) you dont like them
<buZz>
so?
<buZz>
ah, which do you have then?
<c0rnelius>
oh... now its matters
<c0rnelius>
go get ur pine pay check
<buZz>
maybe you can try to steer back to adding arguments to your vague rants
<archetech>
rock64 v1,2,3 isnt that enough of an example of their "engineering"
<c0rnelius>
piss off
<buZz>
lol, i'm not paid by pine64 at all
<buZz>
nor by allwinner or any arm board store
<buZz>
i am just suprised you try to claim knowledge while stating absolutely nothing
<c0rnelius>
mhmm
<c0rnelius>
sure bud
<buZz>
there's literally nobody looking at pinephone going 'hey what a nice consumer device! this is totally gonna be a 100% finished product!'
<buZz>
because thats -clearly- not what they're selling
<c0rnelius>
Actually some people would like at that and be like sweet.
<c0rnelius>
and then get it and realize fuck
<buZz>
they would like at that?
<c0rnelius>
sorry... look
<c0rnelius>
happy now
<buZz>
'some people' being you? anyone you know?
<c0rnelius>
... so how much are you making?
<buZz>
do you feel swindled into buying pine64 hw thinking they were consumer products? :D
<buZz>
i make 75eu/hr , this isnt my job
<c0rnelius>
obviously you have nothing of substance to deliver and just blowing smoke.
<c0rnelius>
sucking the pine dick and making the cash.
<buZz>
i just dont get why on earth you're trying to call pine64 'shit because they dont make apple hw' , wtf man :D
<c0rnelius>
its not about HW.
<buZz>
'its the ecosystem'
<buZz>
yeah yeah
<c0rnelius>
Its about false claims.
<buZz>
you want apple, got tricked into thinking pine64 is apple, now everyone on the internet is your enemy
<buZz>
is that right?
<buZz>
ok, then -what- claims? :D
<c0rnelius>
if they straight up said what they were selling would never be able to do what they said it could. I wouldn't say shit.
<buZz>
then what did they claim that 'it' could do that it doesnt?
<c0rnelius>
Come on.
<c0rnelius>
Give me a break.
<buZz>
this sounds like something you would be able to say, right?
<c0rnelius>
You know and so do they. PineA64.
<c0rnelius>
and then Rock64
<c0rnelius>
and what else?
<buZz>
i have no clue what you're on about, c0rnelius
<buZz>
why not try to say it?
<c0rnelius>
Do we have to go thru the product line? I mean you work for them. I'm sure you know already.
<c0rnelius>
wtf
<buZz>
yes everyone that doesnt agree with you is literally working for the devil
<c0rnelius>
It's not just Pine. It's a lot of companies. And not just ones that sell SBCs.
<c0rnelius>
But don't sit here and play stupid with me.
<buZz>
'everyone that doesnt agree with you is literally working for the devil' and other top hits on paranoiaFM tonight!
<c0rnelius>
This isn't about agreeing.
<buZz>
so you -do- have any arguement?
<buZz>
or just want to name productnames
<c0rnelius>
Obviously you don't have an argument.
<c0rnelius>
You sold that
<buZz>
what, i asked YOU what issue you had with ANY product
<buZz>
which you then moved to 'they marketted it to consumers'
<c0rnelius>
So now ur on ANY product?
<c0rnelius>
deflection
<buZz>
? you cant read , thats fine
<c0rnelius>
ok
<buZz>
which they clearly dont, but YOU say they made claims TO YOU about a product YOU OWN which the product couldnt make true
<buZz>
ON ASKED WHAT THAT WAS
<buZz>
you just start to slander and curse??
<c0rnelius>
hah
<c0rnelius>
are you serious?
<buZz>
why not just -say- wtf you mean man
<buZz>
what did they 'promise' you that they failed you on?
<c0rnelius>
I thought I did?
<c0rnelius>
They release shit
<buZz>
no, you did 100% nothing
<buZz>
yes, apple releases shit all the time
<c0rnelius>
I said they release shit and don't back it up
<buZz>
its how companies work
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<buZz>
they make book, throw it at consumers, and see what sticks
<c0rnelius>
ok
<buZz>
so?
<buZz>
dont back what up?
<c0rnelius>
well now that we know ur on the pay roll keep it up.
<buZz>
what do you want them to back up?
<c0rnelius>
ur doing great, sir.
<buZz>
yes i know you fail at reading
<buZz>
01:31:30 < buZz> lol, i'm not paid by pine64 at all
<buZz>
01:31:42 < buZz> nor by allwinner or any arm board store
<buZz>
01:31:59 < buZz> i am just suprised you try to claim knowledge while stating absolutely nothing
<c0rnelius>
I know ur awesome at trying to insult me.
<c0rnelius>
you can also paste in irc. amazing work.
<buZz>
i'm literally just trying to hear your AMAZING POINT of what the big company promissed you that made you cry so hard about it
<c0rnelius>
no ur not
<buZz>
little did i know you were 12 years old and have the mental capacity of a peanut
<c0rnelius>
its one sided because ur point of view is tilted
<buZz>
sorry man , i'm sure it'll work out for you in the end
<buZz>
hf @ life
<c0rnelius>
you think it will?
<c0rnelius>
thanx
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<c0rnelius>
Since, that is out of the way. I find the HW to be really unstable and not worth using. Subpar and with each revision worse than the last. Fix one thing and break another. I understand people like Pine and thats fine, they are entitled too. But to ignore and just pretend its not the case is not the solution.
<c0rnelius>
I'm sure the people working there are fine and mean no ill will but that doesn't mean I need to respect how they do business or say nice things about their business model. To suggest I do is retarded.
<buZz>
lol yeah , foolish me tried to ask what was actually wrong
<buZz>
didnt know the kid just wanted to throw mud without reasoning
<TRS-80>
ok lets pump the brakes
<TRS-80>
everyone take a deep breath
<buZz>
just went through logs, he's on my foreverignore now :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ok so what's up with Exynos? XU4? is it stuck at 5.4.y?
<TRS-80>
I haven't lookin in a long time, but it was behind for a while now, no idea why though
<TRS-80>
like a couple years it seems
<buZz>
the logs? nah just wanted to see what 'gold' i'd be missing with a foreverignore
<buZz>
seemingly just a github filled with binaries made from stolen patches
<buZz>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> @TRS-80 know if it's expected that not all 22.02 packages for bullseye are in the apt repos yet? For the kernel, u-boot, dtb, bsp, etc I'm not seeing anything newer than 21.08.*
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> e.g. linux-dtb-current-rockchip64
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> or linux-image-current-rockchip64
<TRS-80>
@matthew012345 I seem to recall reading something about giving another day to propagate (maybe)
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> this is on a very fresh install, unmodified apt config:
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> deb http://apt.armbian.com bullseye main bullseye-utils bullseye-desktop
<Armbian-Discord>
<matthew012345> I'm also mildly kicking myself for reinstalling this router with bullseye 1 day before 22.02 release announcement. my own fault for not checking if that was imminent! (certainly that info was available to find)
<c0rnelius>
geez buZz ur really butt hurt. The armbian folk come out and now you got something to say?
<TRS-80>
enough
<TRS-80>
both of you
<archetech>
TRS-80, you are way out of line
<TRS-80>
archetech: no u
<archetech>
wanna see somebodys character give them power
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Why's the rum gone
* archetech
wasn't me
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* archetech
waits for TRS to leave so we can chat sanely
<archetech>
late night chat is for grown ups
<TRS-80>
the channel is logged anyway lol
<archetech>
but ya cant jump in and wield your dull sword
<archetech>
I do not like guys like you if ya can't tell ;)
<TRS-80>
Consider for a moment which are more valuable to the long-term health of a project: developers, and actual contributors, or trolls?
<archetech>
what you call a troll is just an honset person
<archetech>
honest
<archetech>
thats why I dont like you
<archetech>
ya cant spot it
<TRS-80>
Igor is not going to put up with people harassing devs, if you don't believe me, you can find out for yourself. I don't set the policy, I just enforce it.
<archetech>
right you're just doing your job but that dont make it right
<archetech>
get right
<archetech>
and dont deflect your failure to be just on Igor
<archetech>
if they make stupid decisions ya think they should be exempt from crticism?
<archetech>
is that the "policy"?
<TRS-80>
I honestly think you are looking at the whole thing all wrong.
<archetech>
you defend the evil
<TRS-80>
The way I see it, we appreciate whatever contributions people can make. People have jobs, families, etc. and do what they can, when they can.
<archetech>
peeps make mistakes im not crucifiying anybody for that
<TRS-80>
evil? lol that's hyperbole
<archetech>
but to say I or anybody cant make comments is just facsim
<archetech>
which is the new way now
<TRS-80>
you weren't making comments, you were getting on a developers case, which is not your place
<archetech>
lol not my place eh
<TRS-80>
yes
<archetech>
sheesh your an ass
<TRS-80>
smell the coffee, take a hint
<TRS-80>
I have been trying to explain nicely
<archetech>
nothing but glowing admiration allowed here eh
<archetech>
do you hear yourself?
<TRS-80>
for devs, basically yes
<TRS-80>
if you don't like it, don't hang out here
<TRS-80>
because the way I see it, nothing of value would be lost
<archetech>
oh yes the old if ya dont like OUR behavior leave instead of looking at youself
<TRS-80>
because I seem to see you mostly just arguing, trolling people, and being generally disruptive
<TRS-80>
I am not sure how much you even help anyone
<TRS-80>
you surely don't contribute to the project (AFAIK)
<archetech>
nope I like fixing things that are obviously being done wrong
<archetech>
then I install and prove it
<TRS-80>
and keeping them all to yourself? That's very helpful.
<TRS-80>
I guess you did some testing today maybe
<archetech>
then guys like you who know almost nothing but have power come along and ruin any effort I make
<TRS-80>
I was busy tbh
<TRS-80>
I know people
<TRS-80>
and you are a pain
<archetech>
I shared my results with someone here who can understand
<TRS-80>
yes I guess you did contribute a little today
<archetech>
not some weasel with irc ops
<archetech>
who I have no reason to please
<TRS-80>
dude I am going out of my way to be polite to you, because I am a Moderator
<TRS-80>
but you are just a tough guy on the internet
<TRS-80>
if I wassn't a Moderator, I would not be nearly as nice, nor as polite, but calling me a weasel is reason enough, all by itself, to kick you from the channel
<TRS-80>
as far as I am concerned
<archetech>
tough meaning dont take crap from ops who bully others?
<archetech>
yes
<archetech>
thats me
<TRS-80>
no you are tough guy keyboard warrior
<TRS-80>
and in fact I have had just about enough of you
<archetech>
youve had enough truth
<archetech>
all ya can take
<archetech>
now ya have to act
<tonymac32>
Stand down archetech
<archetech>
ya ned to get a new channel op
<archetech>
this guy is obviously not up to the task
<archetech>
he plays personal favorites and such
<archetech>
impartiality is the quality of an op
<tonymac32>
I think I said to cool it, I read the channel. I'll impartially can all of you
<archetech>
an op hears both sides
<archetech>
then judges rightly
<archetech>
coreect?
<archetech>
correct
<archetech>
no? then ya got an evil judge
<archetech>
tell me thats not the right view
<archetech>
funny part is he actually confessed to being corrupt
<archetech>
Igor is not going to put up with people harassing devs, if you don't believe me, you can find out for yourself. I don't set the policy, I just enforce it.
<archetech>
the nazi defense look it up
<archetech>
nuremburg
<archetech>
and I'm the bad guy eh
<TRS-80>
archetech: go sleep it off
<archetech>
cant sleep off truth
<archetech>
all you have to do is repent and say ya know what i see what you are saying
<archetech>
im guilty of that I'll not repeat it
<archetech>
so my whole point is for you not for me
<archetech>
being right is not my goal its getting you to see how it is
<archetech>
Isn't this great? ...I think we're making progress
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> You're like a first amendment auditor but for irc
<Armbian-Discord>
repository 'https://apt.armbian.com focal Release' no longer has a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. Is this something you need fix or I can fix on my own?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> no, this must be our problem at redirector
<Armbian-Discord>
<ajfriesen> Shall I open a bug on github for this or in the forum?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> no need. i think we have some workaround in place that is fixing this problem, since we have no time for a proper solution
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> workaround is dirty - cronjob that checks if system fails, then it restarts it ...
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> only a small % of people will see this
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ajfriesen> so this is something on the webserver which will redirect? And that is configured wrong or broken?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Hi there 👋 , I have just installed a fresh Orange Pi Zero Armbian bullseye, and the update is not going that well: Err:6 https://apt.armbian.com bullseye Release Redirection from https to 'http://xogium.performanceservers.nl/apt/dists/bullseye/Release' is forbidden [IP: 2605:7900:20::5 443] Reading package lists... Done E: The repository 'https://apt.armbian.com bullseye Release' does not have a Release file.
<Armbian-Discord>
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. Anyone else having the same kind of problem? http://ix.io/3Rlq
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> If you close the terminal, then open it again, and run apt update again(sometimes a few times) then it will suddenly redirect to another server and it'll work. Can take 3 or 4 times. And important to close terminal(if you're using desktop)
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> I'm using SSH, but I'll do that, thanks.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> Re-opening ssh could also work. The thing is that it needs to ask for password again. Only then it checks for other sources.
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> I did it more than 10 times, and it hops from one server to another, with always the same message. The https to http redirection seems to be the problem. Err:6 https://apt.armbian.com bullseye Release Redirection from https to 'http://xogium.performanceservers.nl/apt/dists/bullseye/Release' is forbidden [IP: 2605:7900:20::5 443] Reading package lists... Done E: The repository 'https://apt.armbian.com bullseye
<Armbian-Discord>
Release' does not have a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> I also had it, but was always able to fix by trying again. Also reboot could help?
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Let's do that. Thanks 👍
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Ok, it doesn't help 😄 I'll retry tomorrow.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> there's some problems with the mirror redirector when in https; you can work around it by switching to http. bash sed -i.original -e 's/https\:\/\//http\:\/\//' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/armbian.list apt-get update
<[TheBug]>
lanefu ^ do you know about that is that something that needs to be looked into?
<IgorPec>
he made some workarounding script AFAIK
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> Yep, that worked, thanks.
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<archetech>
Firefly ITX-3588J mboard
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<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> I saw that this morning, but it's an ARMV8, not V7.
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> But I definitely want to give it a try.
<Armbian-Discord>
<poddingue> And I bought a discount ($5 for $50) on the 16GB Radxa Rock 5.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<guptaxpn> Is it just me or is anyone else getting this? Running an apt-update && apt upgrade and got this error: E: The repository 'https://apt.armbian.com bullseye Release' no longer has a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
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<TRS-80>
@guptaxpn Does changing it to http:// (drop the S) help?
<TRS-80>
Also, how many times did you try? Some times there are intermittent hiccups.
<Armbian-Discord>
<guptaxpn> was a hiccup
<Armbian-Discord>
<guptaxpn> @trs-80 was a hiccup
<Armbian-Discord>
<guptaxpn> trs-80
<TRS-80>
Cool, glad to hear it.
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