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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> nekomancer: yeah probably a Makefile conflict, those creep up a lot. That should be an overlay but I was lazy. I doubt anyone uses any of that stuff though, you all seem obsessed with the eMMC 😉
* nekomancer[m] not
* nekomancer[m] * not obsessed with the eMMC
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> since i'm eMMC-less SPI can have all the pins it wants
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> but yeah one day I'll learn overlays and push it upstream
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've a batch for HC4 too, gotta get shit together
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<c0rnelius> I just started playing with overlays. they are kind of fun.
<rapha> sunshavi: these are actually available, thank you!
<lanefu> c0rnelius: just cuz I'm a sucker doesn't mean I'm a sucker
<c0rnelius> well. it was worth a try.
<lanefu> Let me scroll back for an hour and see what it is lol
<lanefu> c0rnelius: gonna stick my rxxdx rxxcx 5 pre-orders for now
<c0rnelius> lanefu: whats that?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Rk3588 board from another vendor
<c0rnelius> oh alright I thinks I got it
<c0rnelius> did a quick google search and figured it out
<lanefu> Lol impressive on google
<c0rnelius> well I did put 2 and 2 together but, yes. good job google.
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<c0rnelius> A lot of people pre-ordered that it seems. I still want to be disappointed by the Zero2, so I'm holding out.
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> What would you use zero2 for
<c0rnelius> Honestly not really sure yet. I just wanna play with it mostly. The thought of that many cores in that form factor intrigues me.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I love the idea of the zero 2, but I'm not sure what that much power would be used for in that tiny package.
<c0rnelius> If its not unstable I was gonna see how it performs as a native buildbox for a while.
<c0rnelius> Been using the zero currently as a kodi box replacement for my Le Potato and the other one I got as a test unit.
<c0rnelius> The built in wifi and BT I really like.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> right
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<dbl> armbian sucks
<dbl> it is ran by people like "juri"
<dbl> worst distro ever, netbsd and devuan crushes it
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<sunshavi> rapha: sure. Let me know if You have an issue
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<aasami_> IgorPec: Gratulation to the ,Eye of a bull' Focal crashed during start of X, no logs survived, internet was broken for all machines but they could be started and the net coulf be restored. Well, I'm happs to have debian.cli again and the colours are nice again.thes were horrible with focal.
<aasami_> IgorPec: armbian-focal-desktop-kde and -i3 did dissappear, but xfce didn't, allthough the windowmanager is less than poor
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> What's all that gibberish about? And who is "Juri"?
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<PeloPelo> Hello
<PeloPelo> I installed armbian bionic
<PeloPelo> And activated the spi
<PeloPelo> And /dev/spi* file was created
<PeloPelo> But after a sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade (i think because of latest armbian-firmwares) it deleted /dev/spi* file
<PeloPelo> And it gone forever :'(
<PeloPelo> Nobody going to say anything about this??
<PeloPelo> :'(
<yang> PeloPelo: people will answer
<yang> just wait some time
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<yang> PeloPelo: if they know the answer...
<PeloPelo> Should I post this problem on the armbian forum as well
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<Manouchehri> question, for a cheap ish high perf dual gigabit (or 10G) SBC, is the latest and greatest still just the NanoPi R4S?
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> If best matured software is a criteria then yes
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> No idea about newer socs
<Manouchehri> I have one of these at the post office I need to pick up, but it seems like the ZimaBoard 216 might be a better bang for buck (I know it's not ARM though). https://shop.zimaboard.com/products/zimaboard-single-board-server-for-creators-8g-32gb-linux-windows-openwrt-pfsense-andorid-libreelec-development-board-low-cost-hackable-single-board-server?variant=39283928400070
<Manouchehri> awwwww I just noticed they're realtek nics, not intel
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<buZz> Manouchehri: maybe the quartzpro64 ? RK3588 seems to have dual gbps
<buZz> oh , cheap was a requirement, doubt it'll be ;)
<Manouchehri> <$200 is what I was looking at
<buZz> its not buyable yet
<Manouchehri> oh wow north of $300 for the quartzpro64.
<Manouchehri> yeaaah
<rapha> sunshavi: IgorPec: so, it turned out the existing rtl8something-based usb wifi stick was working fine and the old odroids were working fine, too. but the usb stick only does 2.4GHz and the wifi router's 2.4GHz radio keeps crashing - which i never knew about because all my other devices use 5GHz. knowing this, and with a different wifi AP, i tried various images for the c1+/c0 boards again and have found that
<rapha> all images (whether it be Ubuntu or Armbian or Alarm) which use the original 3.7.something kernel, work just fine and have all the hardware working.
<rapha> also @ buZz :)
<buZz> rapha: ahhhhhhhh o/
<rapha> \o
<buZz> :)
<buZz> i upgraded my wifi AP here recently
<rapha> also, buZz, i have a dutch coworker now. is there anything funny i could tell her?
<buZz> from a routerboard RB433 to a HAP AC²
<buZz> pretty cheap
* rapha googles both
<sunshavi> cool
<Manouchehri> oh this reminds me of an on-topic question, is there a reason why livepatching hasn't become a thing on aarch64 yet? :) I see it's in the pipeline. https://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg899789.html
<rapha> sunshavi: i'll still get one of those atheros sticks, just in case
<Manouchehri> rapha: In America, riding your bike to work is a life or death situation daily.
<buZz> Manouchehri: yeah, barely any bikelanes
<rapha> Manouchehri: saddens me to hear so, but how did we get from linux distros to bikes?
<buZz> and the ones that exist dont seperate traffic
<Manouchehri> rapha: you wanted a joke to tell your dutch coworker :p
<rapha> oh
<rapha> well i'm German
<rapha> and she doesn't ride a bike, strangely
<Manouchehri> oooooh, now i see why you needed help with humour.
<rapha> hahahahah
<rapha> THAT was a good one right there!
<sunshavi> rapha: Yes. They are pretty fine. specially as they let You start host mode for hostapd
<buZz> :P
<rapha> buZz: okay, let's try like this: what's your favorite Dutch joke that's also short enough to be memorized?
<sunshavi> or for working as a repeater
<sunshavi> s/repeater/wifi repeater/
<ArmbianHelper> sunshavi meant to say: or for working as a wifi repeater
<buZz> rapha: lol i'm not one for memorizing jokes
<buZz> i have one, its not dutch
<buZz> > whats the diff between US and yogurt
<rapha> buZz: also, that RB433 doesn't look like it has wifi built-in. more akin to the APU2c4 which we use as a router for the whole house, but with separate APs.
<buZz> < yogurt can grow a culture
<rapha> rofl
* rapha looks at Manouchehri to see how they'll react
<buZz> rapha: yeah, RB433 has 3x mini-pci slots for wifi cards, its pretty old
<buZz> but worked well
<buZz> HAP AC² has a 2.4ghz and a 5ghz radio
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<Manouchehri> rapha: I don't expect my yogurt to ever be radioactive.
<rapha> wait
<rapha> i understood buZz's joke
<rapha> but i don't understand the radioactivity thing
<rapha> is that again because i'm German?
<Manouchehri> it's a nuclear war joke.
<Manouchehri> does armbian support any old 2.6.32 devices? I discovered cloudlinux has been backporting some security fixes. https://repo.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux/6/updates/SRPMS/
<buZz> whats a 2.6 kernel device?
<buZz> i mean, why would any device be stuck on such a old kernel?
<Manouchehri> pretty common to see in IoT still
<buZz> i havent :)
<buZz> Manouchehri: i dont think thats because of the -device- but just a bad manufacturer
<Manouchehri> correct
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<buZz> so, why would armbian have to comply to being bad :P
<buZz> or what would benefit be
<buZz> :D
<rapha> Manouchehri: my 3.7 kernel devices are definitely not supported anymore and as i learned yesterday it's better to tread carefully when asking about them
<Manouchehri> rapha: what 3.7 kernel devices do you have?
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<rapha> Manouchehri: hardkernel odroid c0 and c1+
<Manouchehri> oh man that brings me back to college
<rapha> huh, you used hardkernel devices there?
<Manouchehri> I was trying to convince the robotics team to switch to a custom platform for a drone competition.
<Manouchehri> they didn't want to do anything but pad their resume, I quit and they went with stock DJI stuff :p
<rapha> lol
<rapha> wait, DJI drones have SBC's in them?
<Manouchehri> yeah, they're a hacked up android device
<rapha> funky
<rapha> but definitely not fun to do something custom with
<Manouchehri> oh no, that's why I was proposing ditching DJI completely.
<buZz> 5.8 seems to have amlogic s805 support , rapha
<rapha> i recently began getting into building R/C planes ... LoS only for now, but first FC is in the mail now and i want to start playing around with Ardupilot and eventually go FPV and GPS-waypoint-flying.
<rapha> buZz: yeah, there's even images with 5.10.x (Armbian and others, but the Armbian ones seem to be the best), but the devil is in the details. like for example, with a USB wifi stick and a CH340 plugged in, the rtl8something module will start spewing cryptic error messages and the load will go through the roof until you unplug the CH340.
<buZz> rapha: maybe ask around in #linux-amlogic then?
<rapha> i already did, quite a while back
<rapha> they think it feasible to get current mainline off of kernel.org working fully ... but it needs the work put in. and i'm many things but certainly no C and most definitely no systems programmer.
<buZz> hehe, yeah that webpage seems like they're on top of it
<rapha> for the 3D printer (that's the c0, for size reasons) i'm perfectly content with the 3.7 kernel. for the two c1+, i'll just keep them around and try getting mainline working every couple of months when i feel like it.
<buZz> :) i'm not really sure whats running on my printer
<buZz> 4.19 it seems
<buZz> Welcome to Debian Stretch with Armbian Linux 4.19.62-sunxi
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<rapha> hey 4.19 isn't too shabby
<rapha> and i thought that sunxi devices are notorious for their bad vendor support?
<rapha> buZz: where did you buy the ac² from?
<buZz> eh, hmm
<buZz> maybe from them directly?
<buZz> ah no, i bought it at azerty.nl
<buZz> Product: MikroTik hAP ac2 - Draadloos toegangspunt
<buZz> Stukprijs: € 66,55
<rapha> ah ok, so similar price to the various places in germany
<rapha> dank je wel
<rapha> seriously considering moving the entire house to these
<rapha> we'd need 7
<rapha> will have to talk to the other tenants
<buZz> at the hackerspace we have Aruba APs
<buZz> very nice, but very expensive
<buZz> they can do proper roaming and handover of clients
<rapha> oh
<buZz> >500 euro per AP
<rapha> we've been doing that with old TPLink APs running OpenWRT so far
<rapha> like, dumb APs, all on the same SSID, no routing
<rapha> but i very much doubt there was any "proper" handover over clients going on
<buZz> :) yeah but that wont survive a SSH session
<rapha> well ... an 8-apartments-house is not a hackerspace, usually :P
<rapha> what some people _do_ do is watch a youtube video on their way from the garden to the 4th floor, or whatever, and that _does_ work
<buZz> ;)
<buZz> our hackerspace has just ..6 rooms?
<buZz> 3 APs covers it well
<rapha> does speak for the APs tho
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<nekomancer[m]> how to manage userpatches if one rk3399 board edge uses 5.16, when other uses 5.15?
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<p0g0> To change the OS release on a Pinebook Pro (rk3399) running an Armbian ubuntu.focal .img originally found the Pine wiki and booted from the SD card, the Armbian Config tool doesn't change repositories when it transits from Current to Edge (system/other/ etc). Is it unsupported to revise the apt sources to upgrade the release?
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<aasami_> IgorPec: armbian-focal-desktop-kde and -i3 did dissappear, but xfce didn't, allthough the windowmanager is less than poor/
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