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<ocarter>
It's time to revolutionize armbian, no more "donations" anymore
<ocarter>
no more lanefu/juri bullshit, we will kill them all
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<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> lanefu: I'm a dumbass that forgot to set CMD in the docker image
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> :|
<ocarter>
cats: cope and seethe
<ocarter>
>docker
<ocarter>
awful crap
<ocarter>
docker/lxc is for idiots, only an idiot would also use proxmox as well
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> For the love of all that is good please tell me they gave a damn about the USB ports actually getting enough power
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<karlp>
what's "enough" power in your view?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Actually meeting the spec for the ports
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Also is this the first rockchip from odroid
<karlp>
"the" spec? :)
<karlp>
is this not the usual, "omg, it only does 500mA, but I wanted/demanded 2.5A" ?
<stipa>
i would say find out how much the chips on the board consume at their peak and do a sum of it
<stipa>
plus add maybe 30% up up just to be sure
<stipa>
it'll be enough
<IgorPec>
usb3 = 900 ma
<stipa>
also, make sure that your PSU can deliver what it claims
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> hate to admit it, but I shelled out for the ODROID-M1. HK's heatsinks always gets me going. From what I saw, it seems the SATA power rail is not real, I'd assume the USB power is equally shit. I've great expectations about the NVMe though 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> website is alive again 🤩
<[TheBug]>
Finally!
<[TheBug]>
;)
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<Myron>
Yay! :-)
<Armbian-Discord>
<abhikh1> Hi, I am very new to linux and flashing. Trying to boot armbian on my 2 TV boxes (RK3399 and Amlogic S905 X3). Had no success with the resources, I found on youtube and other sites. The official site and Forum is down since yesterday, when I began the process. My main goal is to run server off the boxes. (Atleast one). Any help is highly appreciated.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> the M1 looks like a nice board
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> I just wish odroid would put 2 more usb sockets for wifi and bt modules
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> 4 usb ports just comes up short and having to use a ext hub is a pain
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and a 2nd pcie for a wwan netwaork card
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Karlp as already mentioned USB3 is 900 mA per port according to requirements. So the board should be able to shell out 2.8 amps in power to USB if it is compliant. (2x 900 + 2x 500).
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Now, I understand that's not what these toys we all play with are usually designed for. I found the N2 particularly annoying because HK is a good enough company to get this right, or at least document the non-conformance.
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> yes they do make nic eunits but with otu wifi/bt onboard they need more usb ports for more functionality
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Regulatory BS is a real problem for shipping radios onboard
<archetech>
odroid designs for a price point so forget about lots of ports
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So I see it as a missing feature, but I understand why
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah, as archetech said, this whole market segment is "sell based on price", so features suffer
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> yeah I get it but still 2 more usb ports would not be hard
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> and not expensive
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The N2 is not a bad board, it is plenty powerful and I agree with @rpardini , the heat sink is a nice touch.
<archetech>
they got a m2 3588 in the oven wana see that soon
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Rich that's another $2-3 per board sale price I'd guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Simply because of overhead and routing, it would drive small changes all over the board.
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> I know nanopi has a 3588 in the works also ... just waiting for Bing to say the beta board past testing
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Archetech I'm excited for these RK3588's, but much like my long delay in embracing RK3399 instead of RK3288, I'm looking for software support before jumping on anything deployed
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> btw any suggestions of externally-powered USB hub I could use to maybe make the N2's USB not-totally-unuseful? (I'd need to drive RTL9210 based NVMe and a 2.5Gbit ethernet)
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> I like the look did not say I was buying one yet
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> I figure armbian will get one first and get the devicetree going
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I've been a friendly arm/elec customer since 2009 or so, I like their stuff but they have 2 tiers of device, you can tell in the layouts/designs
<Armbian-Discord>
<RichN> someguy named tonymac32
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> How have apt downloads/etc been? I've been working with lanefu to spice them up/fix the http(s) issues
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I might, speaking of I need to get my stuff set up to push my DT for Tinker Board 2 to mainline
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> @cats: I just worked to bypass the ARMBIAN_MIRROR selection due to redirector always giving me hosthatch
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Yeah, it'll be sticky now, but I'm working on improvements to give better selections and priorities... and perhaps also do a balance
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> build script then got into a nasty endless loop, all the while hammering the redirector...
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Oh no.
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> What happened with the build script?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I dunno why, but it used to hit the redirector in a loop, and only break out of it if answer was not hosthatch
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Lol... what
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Got a link to the code that did that? I may be able to bypass it for the build script.
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> and/or disable hosthatch for now
<ArmbianHelper>
^ Improve cache and toolchain download by igorpecovnik · Pull Request #2665 · armbian/build · GitHub
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> nice
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Just disabled hosthatch to stop that from happening for now, thanks for bringing it up :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so it seems there used to be some problem with hosthatch which then made the build script pre-resolve the redirect and ignore it
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> yeah
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> The new redirection service does a lot more than the old one did, geographical distance, status checks to ensure it's online, etc... and a lot faster lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I will do a few runs with hosthatch forced to make sure it works
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I guess you mean apt.armbian.com vs redirect.armbian.com ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Both :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ahn, i've no idea, are those both new or both old? lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> both new lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> It was to resolve the https -> http redirection random issue
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> seems like the Python version had an issue with randomly pushing things back to http and making things fail
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> oh. so really probably that build script part needs rewriting, and just stop doing that loop...
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Potentially yeah, but I like the current fix at least. I just disabled hosthatch to stop it from appearing until it's merged in fully.
<lanefu>
cats I think great. the litmus test is no complaints
<lanefu>
and havent caught any
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Yup, lanefu the only issue was above, removed hosthatch to fix it and I think we should be good.
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> That newer version will be interesting at some point too
<lanefu>
so yeah there's 4 services
<lanefu>
(redirect.armbian + dl.armbian [same just 2 names for legacy dl.armbian) <-- that has the dl map
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> currently apt/redirect are on the Go version, archive/beta will be at some point but wanted to test and see how it went first
<lanefu>
word
<lanefu>
apt most busy probably by order of magnitute
<lanefu>
so if htats working, you won
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> yup
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> I'm considering whether to round robin the 3 best or just keep it a static server after it chooses one
<lanefu>
round robin IMHO
<lanefu>
that way traffic load is predictable for everyone
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> Yeah, I'll keep weighting and all that, make it use a choice based on weighting, but round robin it.
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> So instead of hitting one constantly it'll choose the best 3-5 and balance
<lanefu>
yep sounds good
<lanefu>
as far as weighjting supporting in future
<lanefu>
its probably more liekly that we just need to specirially decrease traffic on a mirror
<lanefu>
rather than weight in favor of
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> yup
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> I might have to see if there's an inverse weighting method, otherwise default weight to like 10 instead of 1
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> and then decrease priority or something
<Armbian-Discord>
<cats> then it can be set to a lower weight to decrease traffic
<lanefu>
yeah i guess that's more normal
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<IgorPec>
TRS-80 is alive !
* TRS-80
hides
<IgorPec>
LOL
<TRS-80>
:D
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<TRS-80>
We been looking for a place, also I am keenly feeling my time off running out, trying to get as much personal stuff done as possible before I have to go back to work.
<TRS-80>
I made a lot of progress on some Emacs stuff I wanted to do for a long time.
<IgorPec>
i hope you are succededing.
<TRS-80>
We put application in on a very nice place night before last, we really hope to get it.
<IgorPec>
good. so you didn't notice we had a day offline ? :)
<TRS-80>
I haven't even logged into the forum in weeks. Just laser focussed on my own stuff lately.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Trs-80 I haven't been able to move yet :(
<TRS-80>
@Tonymac32 That lady still squatting?! :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Should be doing so in just over a week, but sheeeesh yeah
<IgorPec>
things rarely go by plan ;)
<TRS-80>
Oh and btw man there are a lot of scammers on Craigslist nowadays, hardly and real results on there any more.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah, this "not to plan" is costing me $800 in "let's make sure this goes as quickly as possible"
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Rented some moving containers
<TRS-80>
@Tonymac32 That's probably getting off cheap! :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> So I am packing up now since I have 4 days to actually move
* TRS-80
is not looking forward to packing/moving
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Yeah, I got a couple Pods, they'll come pick them up and drop them off at the new place
<TRS-80>
What did that run, if you don't mind me asking? Maybe I should call them, might be different here anyway.
<TRS-80>
In the past I always just did the big U-Haul truck.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 2 of them (8'x8'x16') drop off, move, pickup and 1 month rental was just under $800
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Now my move isn't very far, longer distances will be more
<TRS-80>
I mean, that's not cheap, but not exorbitant either. Storage is expensive. And truck drivers, too. ;)
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Right. And I get the luxury of packing up over a 2-week time span, and unpacking the same way instead of going full-on and feeling like dying
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I helped my buddy do that, U-Haul truck, 4 trips, 1 day, just me, him, his mom and dad
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> That was unpleasant 😂
<TRS-80>
Yeah that's the tradeoff I guess. We just spent spring break helping family do farm work, man I feel like I got beat up afterwards. Just out of shape and old now. :(
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Haha. I'll be getting into some shape cleaning up this property, it's been a bit neglected
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Glad I kept the chain saw I only needed 4 times in 10 years. It's going to be doing some work
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> My first move I just got a 12' box trailer from U-Haul and packed that thing to the roof twice and hauled it out of the mountains with my ranger. Towing capacity = yes for those little things 😂
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 3600 lb truck with over 6000 lb of crap behind it up a mountain, no problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Brakes were fine on the way down, too, before you ask 😂
<TRS-80>
yes it's the stopping you need to worry about :D
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The redneck who had that truck before me put a transmission cooler on it half the size of the radiator. I went ahead and let it go into OD on the flats of Ohio and watched the temps, cool as a cucumber
<TRS-80>
nice
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Said redneck towed a boat big enough to need a 7-pin trailer plug, so I guess I should be glad
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I didn't find any splicing for a brake controller though, so he liked to live dangerously
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Those U-Hauls have surge brakes, which sometimes sorta work
<TRS-80>
I also been studying papers like 'The Roots of Lisp' etc. :)
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<ArmbianHelper>
AR-959 [Task] "Unifying TAGS as much as possible - as low count / universal as possible" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2021-11-09. Status: In Progress
<ArmbianHelper>
^ [AR-959] - Jira
<IgorPec>
what do you think
<TRS-80>
I think I read a lot of Karl Voit stuff, who did his thesis on tag trees :)
<TRS-80>
anyway I'll take a look
<TRS-80>
point being, you are right to keep the number low
<IgorPec>
yeah, look what i think is the problem
<IgorPec>
yes, tyrany of choice kicks in
<TRS-80>
and maintaining or 'gardening' them should be part of any tag system