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<tonymac32>
:D
* tonymac32
gets some popcorn
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm assuming nand-sata-install can't put the UEFI stuff onto an NVMe?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> It didn't understand /boot
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> But you can just dd the image
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<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> The DD police will allow it?
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yep
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I only have a 72W adapter available, although it's cheese seems a bit heftier than the one provided with the box 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I would not be surprised to see that supply fail to bring 60
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> it's just the nature of the beast
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol I just noticed the activity LED on the bottom of the board flashing out through the holes
<archetech>
compile something that'll make it whine
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> moving it over to my transplanted NVMe (leaving the original alone for note taking later)
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> then I'll poke at it
<archetech>
reference for the rx 550 my rx560 glmark2 Score: 9379 lane said he got 5200
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> is that a desktop card or laptop? I don't know my AMD/ATI stuff honestly
<archetech>
desk
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<stipa>
i have rx550 on desk too
<stipa>
works fine on amd
<stipa>
with*
<stipa>
cpu
<stipa>
i think it runs mesa
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<gerthorne>
hi, maybe this is the wrong channel for this kind of discussion, but I have my own shellhosting platform, and I have included an armbian-powered SBC (shellbox-04). I wouldn't mind some beta-testers, if that was possible
<gerthorne>
It's 100% free as well
<gerthorne>
However if you are interested, the site address is https://shellhost.cloud, you will need a valid email address and a valid SSH key, but that's all
<yang>
;)
<yang>
nice
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<stipa>
an armbian mirror wouldn't be bad as well
<yang>
hi stipa
<yang>
stipa: that's a good idea
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<yth>
Hi. I've an armbian (21.08 focal xfce) on Pinebook Pro eMMC - since ~last month, apt upgdate+upgrade renders it unbootable.
<yth>
I can fix easily by re-installing from SD, but the next update causes same thing. Any pointers on what I might be missing?
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<TRS-80>
Did we publish release announcement yet? I was still polishing it but it occurred to me I might be wasting my time. lol
<TRS-80>
Oh and good morning everyone! :)
<TRS-80>
Also, not sure where/how we publish this, but do we need @ signs in front of everyone's names like that?
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<TRS-80>
[TheBug]: o/
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yo TRS-80 I've done some changes to the Tech updates. Not sure about wording, feel free to twist
<TRS-80>
Yes I see you poking around over there. And thanks for fleshing that part out, it was a bit thin previously.
<TRS-80>
I'm going throught the whole thing and will continue to polish until it's all nice and shiny :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yth ran into that myself haven't been to investigate
<yth>
lanefu: thanks, glad it's not just me!
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<TRS-80>
schwarz_Kat: o/
<TRS-80>
@rpardini (or whoever) What are 'FIP blobs'?
<TRS-80>
Firmware ?
<c0rnelius>
yes
<TRS-80>
so what is the I and the P then? :)
<TRS-80>
Firmware I... P...
<TRS-80>
?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> damn sorry, yes, I should be explicit. some vendors have open firmware, some even branded "trusted", we build those from the sources. or mostly. he. some (like amlogic) do not, they're blobs, binaries we don't have sources to, but we mix those in with the open part (u-boot) and that miraculously works.
<TRS-80>
OK, so FIB sounds like what I would call a blob, amirite?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> bad wording there though. it's not "sources" at all.
<TRS-80>
FIP rather
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> it's a package.
<schwarz_Kat>
TRS-80: ..
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> Armbian builds a part of that package, u-boot
<TRS-80>
When I think package I think like from a package manager: Debian, Emacs, etc. Which can be built from sources or not. So that's no sort of distinction here, at least in my mind?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> we then call to some scripts that do the "linking" of that uboot blob with "other" blobs, board or chipset specific
<TRS-80>
schwarz_Kat: Oh I was just saying hello o/ :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so the "package" in this sense, in the end is what you get as a u-boot.bin "file" you write to the start of your sdcard.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> c0rnelius: yes. that is a FIP package build and sign procedure. here, both the blobs shipped, and the signing program itself, are binary blobs we don't have sources to
<c0rnelius>
yeap.
<c0rnelius>
varies*
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> eg, we've no idea what fip/ddr4_1d.fw does. but also, we've no idea what aml_encrypt_g12b does either
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> we guess.
<c0rnelius>
I was looking at CoreELEC's this morning. They seem mod theirs.
<TRS-80>
So, 'FIP' can be either built from (a number of?) sources, and/or assembled from (0-n?) blobs, and results in a single u-boot.bin? Have I got that right?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> well I'd gone there and came back scarred. don't recommend. talk to Oleg instead 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> Oleg is on vacations for another week or so
<c0rnelius>
Plus I've compiled my own for the Le Potato using the BayLibre source before. I never dug thru it though
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> TRS: yes, but that's for amlogic/meson64. Dunno other families, some have all-open from source stuff, I hear.
<TRS-80>
So is FIP something particular to AML or a mre general term?
<TRS-80>
more
<c0rnelius>
AML specific
<c0rnelius>
Allwinner and Rockchip use arm trusted firmware
<c0rnelius>
way easier
<TRS-80>
ok, yeah I have heard that term too
<TRS-80>
thanks for connecting the dots for me guise
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> Yeah I'm out of my league here.... I guess AML is the only one without any open firmware, also requiring signing. So really the worst offender...
<TRS-80>
yeah that's my impression too
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> But I also have no experience with the ones claiming openness, so...
<TRS-80>
one day, I always wanted to add a freedom index, to the download page
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> For rpi, I didn't even touch firmware and bootloader, just went straight to vendor, it's working really well in latest versions.
<c0rnelius>
You couldn't if you wanted too.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> Maybe a future developer might like to invest time getting uboot there, and then, we'll discover such Broadcom blobs... etc....
<c0rnelius>
You can use u-boot on the pis. Its just kind of pointless.
<TRS-80>
in fact I floated this idea in contributor loungs, I think we should move completely away from this problematic 'supported' term, and instead have a few indices with maybe simple 1-5 star values; the indices should be something like: experience, vendor support, freedom, etc.
<TRS-80>
and let people choose an SBC based on those criteria
<TRS-80>
mainline could be another one
<TRS-80>
would be closely related to freedom would be my guess
<TRS-80>
we have this download page with thousands of eyeballs on it, I think we need to leverage that to push our communication strategy
<TRS-80>
make it simple and vlear
<TRS-80>
clear
<TRS-80>
anyway after release, but please consider it :)
<TRS-80>
@IgorPec When do you plan on publishing this release announcement
<TRS-80>
?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> hehe I guess when it's done and builds are working
<TRS-80>
I would really like to re-work the User Expectations section based on comments/discussion that rpardini and I were having there.
<TRS-80>
lol ok
<TRS-80>
later today? or?
<TRS-80>
anyway I'll just get to work I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> won't release until that train thing from Igor is all shiny and green all around
<TRS-80>
train?
<TRS-80>
smoke tests?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ha, yeah, it's crazy, way over my head
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> One of the uart pins came loose and touched usb pins which created some odd dmesg messages but that should not have interfered with that stuff
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> lol heheh no
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Reboot and see what happens
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I just know this by chance, since my cloud images don't have onboarding first run script, motd was left disabled
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> added neofetch and dmesg
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Still does not pop up. Just standard "Last login:" line
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ❣️
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> wanna take a look by yourself?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> puzzled
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> I can expose its ssh port for you if you want
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> Yeah if chmod +x'ing that didn't work I wouldn't know where to look next
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> But worrying if firstrun fails to enable motd, that's a killer feature
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> i can send you credentials via dm if you accept friends request
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> but the question is why it failed in the first place...
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> hmm. it enabled motd almost last thing after the non-root user confirmation password.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so yeah, if you somehow bail out before that you get no motd
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> Awesome, dmesg specially very useful to compare. Funny how some machines have no armbian-config (and thus no neofetch), maybe are minimal builds?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> probably. need inspection. didn't pay much attention to userland
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yeah, the dmesg is much more relevant btw
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I've just spent 30 mins looking at dmesgs
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so fun the Rock Pi X
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> American Megatrends EFI
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'm trying to figure out why my Tinkerboard 2S is stuffing the eMMC into RO 😄