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<c0rnelius> I would think compute module.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yep. Compute Module 3b+ and Compute Module 4's should work as well as the "400" thing with a keyboard.
<c0rnelius> all different wifi firmware
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> maybe also a good idea to explain to new rpi people importance of power quality and thermal solution
<TRS-80> we are going to need to print this 'release announcement' as a manual if it gets any bigger lol
<c0rnelius> i would also think you should make the config.txt more fluent in the differences between the variations of soc(s)
<TRS-80> thanks guise
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah well I've only the 4b myself, had the 3b+ for a week for tests. PRs are welcome there, it's a very simple file
<c0rnelius> I just got rid of my 4 and removing some 3s. Someone might be sending my some test models. If they remember.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/master/config/boards/rpi4b.wip (press "." (dot) on your keyboard while there, and it will drop you in web editor mode ready to edit and PR)
<c0rnelius> Its not really complicated anyway. You almost don't need the boards.
<c0rnelius> How are you all building kernels that work between 3s and 4s? Using a Ubuntu source?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> useless exercise
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the boards are incapable of it anyway
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> nope, it was mainline originally, but now using rpi's fork, with that we get all the grouped dtbs and all the overlays too
<c0rnelius> incapable of what?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> benefitting from power quality/thermal. The firmware throttles at really low temps anyway, and the boards themselves are incapable of proper power delivery
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> perfect power in, no benefit
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> like an N2 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> (OK, being a bit facetious)
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> no need for "perfect" power, but minimally decent power does help
<c0rnelius> Well I know it was mainline but building from foundation in my testing doesn't allow 2710 and 2711 builds to work properly together. Its not the same soc so there for the defconfig is diff.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> and I can drive RTL9210 NVME from my rpi 4b, not from N2+
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> my N2 has so far been the worst, power-wise, to be honest
<c0rnelius> Change the PSU sir.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yep. I wonder if an external powered hub makes it usable?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> should
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I only use it with "pendrive" USB3 and then it works decent
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> anything with a cable, forget it
<c0rnelius> 2A is to low
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> however I maintain, if you claim your board has USB3 ports I had best be able to pull 900 mA through them
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> all. of. them.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah. 900mA would me more than enough for the 9210
<c0rnelius> I have mine one 3A and have no problems with USB
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> there is more than a data throughput requirement and a voltage/current requirement for USB
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> is the Tinkerboard 2S a good option in that sense Tony?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it's the only one I know that is compliant
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the 2 and 2S
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> a shame I don't know of a 4 GB version. :/
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've a 2S 4Gb in a shopping cart right now
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I gave Asus a lot of feedback about power on the original one 😄
<archetech> 3A psu here poswered USB3 caddy no issues
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> but suck markup man
<c0rnelius> see
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah no joke
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> archetech I was using a 5A PSU, it's a board issue not incoming supply
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'm not pretending I wasn't being rough on it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it should be able to take it
<c0rnelius> Probs running some shit vendor uboot with a half ass Armbian kernel :)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> that being said, @rpardini I am currently debugging eMMC on the Tinker 2 S 😄
<c0rnelius> mostly joking but it was ment to be a `zinger`
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> cornelius sure, it makes the electrons flow worse 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> { regulator: flow-worse; }
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I put it in the device tree myself actually
<c0rnelius> it can effect how to hardware performs, yes;
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> not that part though 😄
<c0rnelius> you should know that
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> they don't have active regulation on those, just switches and passive current limiting
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> seems like eMMC was tacked-on later for the "S" variant right? Might be some pin muxing?
<c0rnelius> that is true. They are also known to fry.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think it was my DTS, I copied parameters from the vendor kernel and they have HS400-1.8V and the advanced probe set
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll run it slower and see
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I think the mainline clock framework is not as awesome as they like to pretend it is 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yep, same thing on the N2+, vendor kernel relied on vendor uboot to reset fucking volts and clocks, mainline is oblivious
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> "boots once"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I can boot with the current eMMC parameters, but it falls back to ro after a fault so I think it's just the clock
<archetech> the latest n2's have usb at 3.3 not 5v like mine
<archetech> but the chip itself has recieved alot of crticism
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> USD 166 for a 2S 4Gb seems outrageous, right?
<archetech> and kern sources and dtb vs armbian I bet make a diff
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> parts are scarce, the "pro" SoC is a bit more expensive I think than the standard, and there is some serious PSU parts in there
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If you don't need that kind of robustness it is a tough sell, I agree
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> if you're deploying the thing, it can handle abuse others simply cant
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I don't question the value, but the current-situation markup instead. I guess launch price for 2gb version was USD 129, so 166 for a 4Gb version during shortage is not such a far cry
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah. :/
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> OK, trying out mmc-hs200-1_8v
<c0rnelius> still not a 100% sure how ur building for a completely functional rpi3 using a rpi4 defconfig.
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: maybe look at it closer and help us out Mr. RPi expert ;)
<c0rnelius> Waiting for someone to point it out
<c0rnelius> just doesn't make sense
<TRS-80> above my head, mate
* TRS-80 goes back to editing release announcement
* c0rnelius is watching arrested development. ;)
* TRS-80 tried
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> datasheeting, it's not cooperating. I'll ask the vendor if I don't sort it out tonight
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> dunno what you mean by defconfig. I build kernel only, with a single config. I guess bcm2837 is just very similar to bcm2711 and a single kernel just works. The vendor u-boot auto-picks the DTBs. I've done nothing special, really.
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* TRS-80 is now straight up making up policy on the fly
<TRS-80> :D
<TRS-80> check out latest revision of Re-defining vendor relationship
<TRS-80> and the whole thing, really
<TRS-80> I'm mostly done with latest round of revisions, can always use more polish of course
<TRS-80> what I added was ~'first we try name and shame' instead of making threats, I don't think anyone likes threats
<TRS-80> 'increasing public awareness'
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ruh-roh shaggy
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I "unbootabled" the eMMC
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but not enough to make the u-boot zombies die
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well, I'll come back to that later after I remember how to rkflashtool the thing
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> TRS-80: I like it. Good work. Some editing/shortening is in order, but later. 👏
<schwarz_Kat> TRS-80: In release credits there is a duplicate "@Icenowy, @Icenowy,"
<TRS-80> @rpardini, yeah thanks. I keep re-reading it and chopping little bits off here and there.
<TRS-80> schwarz_Kat: Good catch, thanks.
<TRS-80> I had asked much earlier, do we really need to have @ in front of everyone's names? I am not sure if those will show up on forums or what. Maybe I should remove them but not sure.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah, not sure how/where it will show up. guess when pasted to forum it will light up? no idea. leave it in, easier to remove than to readd later...
<TRS-80> @rpardini What are you trying to say in that last paragraph in RPi section? I couldn't really seem to suss it out?
<TRS-80> that we only added RPi in hopes of growing our community, basically? lol
<TRS-80> maybe in a nicer way
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah. I'm rambling there. Let's cut that rpi section to 2 paragraphs
<TRS-80> what were you going for though?
<TRS-80> I guess it's already said we hope they contribute, anyway I think I have some idea and I can clean it up
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah, trying to lure devs in, wrong bait wrong time.
<TRS-80> ok
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hmmmm 5.15 doesn't want to boot on this board either 😐
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well, wait that's not fair
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the current u-boot doesn't want to boot it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the old u-boot will :/
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> which hw?
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> My evening distraction of the Tinker 2.
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> aha, did we change u-boot to latest on rk3399?
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yes, I haven't fully bisected the issue yet. I have given the vendor my device tree and a description of the eMMC faults to see if I missed something that's not completely documented (maybe there is a drive level increase hiding in the BSP from 50 to 40 ohm's or something)
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<TRS-80> Good morning!
<TRS-80> Well, yeah this got long, but struggling where to pare it down any further...
<IgorPec> good one
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> You guys talk too much. I can't find anything back here...
<lanefu> thats' what history is for!
<TRS-80> IgorPec: What do you mean?
<TRS-80> grep
<TRS-80> :)
* TRS-80 some times thinks about writing a front end to grep in ELisp that would ask network and channel and then do completing-read (narrowing) async search on the logs for that channel
<TRS-80> it would only be maybe <20 lines of ELisp I bet
<TRS-80> feedback welcome
<TRS-80> So I was wondering about all the @ before people's names. Do we need those? Maybe they turn into forum mentions? Or should I remove them?
<TRS-80> Do they turn into twitter mentions? I guess we will copy/paste this into WP, so... Yeah I dunno.
<TRS-80> I see that someone edited 'IRC and Matrix' to 'IRC and Discord'. I strongly disagree with promoting proprietary platform as official communications channel. It's there at the link, which is bad enough. But in the release announcement, I think we should only mention IRC and Matrix, which are free and open protocols.
<TRS-80> in fact, I just put it back
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I did this edit and we do not provide Matrix. Natively at least.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Matrix bridge to IRC is managed by Libera staff.
<TRS-80> thanks, I was just about to ask
<TRS-80> I think they are reliable enough to promote
<TRS-80> Anyway IMO it's more about discussing free and open protocols, rather than technical details of who is maintaining what. We can't stop people from using Discord. But we don't need to promote it, either, much less in something so prominent as a release announcement.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> yeah probably
<TRS-80> cheers :)
<TRS-80> Actually, reminds me of D. DeVault article I read not too long ago, maybe I should post to forums. :)
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah but we have what, 2-3 people on Matrix (via Libera?) vs dozens on Discord? not defending proprietary, just wondering if I should try Matrix?
<TRS-80> Matrix would be the more direct comparison, feature wise
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> depending on client, yes.
<TRS-80> personally I prefer good old lightweight IRC :)
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I encourage everyone to give Matrix a shot at least. Whether you use it or not. It is decentralised and full of all the nice features you'd expect from a up-to-date messenger (again depending on used client of course)
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> Yeah. But will my niece know of Matrix? She's on Discord before I was
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> So yeah, I won't be leaving Discord so soon for practical contacts-who-are-there reasons, so Matrix might be just even another client....
<TRS-80> Well therein lie the rub. As someone who have been running their own XMPP server for many years, the problem is not the technology, it is a social problem of adoption and network effects.
<TRS-80> each of us must make our own decision here, personally I take a quite hard line but realize it's not practical for a lot of people
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> Oh yeah. I've run my share of "jabber" servers back in the day.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> problem, as now, was adoption...
<TRS-80> yeap, siloed Instant Messaging is a problem at least as old as AIM and MSN, and in some respects still many peopls did not learn anything
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Anybody wanting to make a thumbnail for my video about the Armbian 22.03 Pig Release?
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Hm either Armbian or the Nanopi R4S is a bit picky about sd card used. I have two sandisk extreme U3 here, one with 32G and one with 64G. I just flashed both with the very same image of Jammy edge. 32G booted just fine, 64G is stuck at initramfs. The card itself should be fine, did a badblocks write test on it.
<TRS-80> @NicoD What kind of thumbnail? Like of highlights?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> A thumbnail for the video. This is what people will see when they see the link. Like here.
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> @IgorPec imola down or just busy?
<TRS-80> OK last call for edits, soon I will copy release announcement private, as I need to run it through pandoc and turn it into bbcode and other formats
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> This is my thumbnail. If anyone can do better...
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Sh*t, it's 22.02...
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Yeah. Tomorrow it will be too late 😄
<TRS-80> @NicoD looks good to me! :)
<IgorPec> imola busy, now up
<Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> confirmed
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I can't do better, but it's 22.02, and it'd write Pig with quotes, "Pig"
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Please go ahead to make something better. I really s*ck at that.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> My video is ready. It is still rendering to 4K, but 1080p is available. Just tell me when to release... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_yq_pNWgjI
* TRS-80 is getting a crash course in md -> pandoc -> bbcode atm :(
<TRS-80> lanefu: here hold my beer
<buZz> i refuse
<buZz> two babies is just too much
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<f4th0m> hello
<f4th0m> I have a bananapi m1+ and no matter what I do I can't get the wifi working
<f4th0m> actually the kernel module is missing, and google did not help me much
<f4th0m> I thought that the armbian image contains it, but seemingly does not
<IgorPec> f4th0m go to download , typoe "bananapi m1+" into the search box and click
<IgorPec> then do what is written there
<f4th0m> actually I think I might have found the problem, which is a typo...
<f4th0m> btw, not much to read...
<f4th0m> yepp, the problem is that I can't type... instead of fdtfile, I wrote fdflie and ended up here:D
<f4th0m> sorry
<TRS-80> lol cheers
<TRS-80> happen to the best of us
<f4th0m> :)
<IgorPec> don't lie to fdt ;)
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<IgorPec> ok, let's go live
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<archetech_n2> fire in the hole!
<TRS-80> should I push button on WP?
<TRS-80> or you want to
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> oh, it's on.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, download is probably slow like hell atm
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<TRS-80> So should I publish or not? Was thinking of going and take a shower soon.
<TRS-80> oh maybe it is actually live already
<IgorPec> its live
* IgorPec is opening a champagne ;)
<TRS-80> cheers!
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its a beer actually 😉
* TRS-80 needs to post his margarita recipe
<TRS-80> now I have more work to do, posting to LWN and elsewhere
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah!
<TRS-80> pig is still in the url lol
<IgorPec> yeah, not a problem
<TRS-80> So is it actually Pig? Or we changed back to the other one?
<TRS-80> OK, I see Pig in docs now
<IgorPec> its pig, heisath has no problem with, so lets leave as is
<TRS-80> Just wanted to confirm, before I start posting more links. lol
<IgorPec> do it without "pig"
<IgorPec> 22.02 is the key
<TRS-80> ok
<TRS-80> I posted on r/linux and sent an email to LWN
<TRS-80> wow, LWN just tweeted us and posted an article! We bigtome now! :)
<TRS-80> s/bigtome/bigtime/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: wow, LWN just tweeted us and posted an article! We bigtime now! :)
<TRS-80> ^ my catchy prose there in LWN article :D
<TRS-80> that was their doing mind you
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Hmm, there is someone laughing with my video. Full name "Thomas King". Makes me think about something, but I just don't know what...
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> 🤣
<TRS-80> @NicoD After I finish making posts, I will grab a cold one and then watch your video. :)
<stipa> whre?
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> There's not much to watch for you. You know everything. (I ripped your text )
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> SBCGaming group on FB. The 'TK'. I really wonder if he's the one 🙂
<stipa> well, that happens when you're famous
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<stipa> that's i guess one of the main reasons why many settle at living simple lives
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Lol, I'd like to think I live the simple live.
<stipa> yeah, that's not how it goes, the only thing i can think of is to stay cool at nasty comments
<stipa> on*
<stipa> you'll get a feeling that you're not good enough if you take those comments seriously, it's verbal molesting
<stipa> but those kind of ppl don't know of anything better, they're raised in such environemnt
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<stipa> in any case not something you should fix or solve
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<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I've learned not to care. Some people can say very stupid things.
<stipa> it's a waste of time
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> That it indeed is.
<TRS-80> #armbian-rss is blowing up :)
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