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<stipa> yeah, Croatia got help only when it entered nato
<c0rnelius> Until it does matter and Russia is knocking on their door.
<stipa> before that it was slaughter
<c0rnelius> If I was in that meeting I would suggest now is the time to attack.
<stipa> war is not the answer
<stipa> more civilized societies on earth avoid wars for any cost
<c0rnelius> All those fuck sticks around the border of Ukraine. Easy pickings. carpet bomb them.
<c0rnelius> I agree. No one wants war. But sometimes you need to burn out the dead wood. Putin is dead wood.
<stipa> he has a mind if a criminal
<stipa> of a*
<stipa> i think he has no idea what a capitalistic system is
<stipa> that's why he attacked
<stipa> he doesn't see it as a threat
<stipa> it's economical monster
<stipa> he's gone
<stipa> that's economical war
<stipa> c0rnelius: you talked by how disgusting the capitalism is
<stipa> that's what puti is against now
<stipa> putin*
<stipa> he had access to open market
<stipa> economy respects all participants
<stipa> and he fucked it up because he has no brain to understand it
<stipa> c0rnelius: the EU is ditching a lot of money
<c0rnelius> stipa: ur entitled to ur opinion but I don't believe thats really true. I think he is more upset that Russia aren't shit anymore and that its pretty much just a lil bully on the street now. China has more power than Russia does.
<stipa> russian money*
<stipa> c0rnelius: no one cares what's on his mind
<stipa> he's genocidal freak
<stipa> he's nuts
<c0rnelius> Well yes. But its a motivational factor behind what he is up too. For whatever reason the people around he also keep listening.
<stipa> the whole EU is reorganizing the economy just to get rid of anything related to the russia
<c0rnelius> him*
<stipa> and there are at leas 30% losses or even more
<c0rnelius> Well. Thats gonna hurt. Also hurt Russians. Hopefully they get together and get rid of Putins dumb ass.
<stipa> that's how much we care for ukraine
<stipa> nato helps with resources
<stipa> but can't fight
<c0rnelius> Its WWIII
<c0rnelius> time to pick a side I guess.
<c0rnelius> or maybe its not?
<stipa> i suggest no war at all
<c0rnelius> Me too... But kinda I would like to see the status quo shaken up a bit.
<c0rnelius> Mostly I would like to see that man removed.
<c0rnelius> The fella is garbage.
<stipa> pretty much everyone does
<stipa> it would be highly economical
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<c0rnelius> Russia should just stick with making interesting SciFi / Horror flicks. You know, stick with what ur good at. This ruining everyone's day shit is not very flattering.
<stipa> some russians are fine
<stipa> they just have that asshole terrorising them
<c0rnelius> Plus Americans are gonna fly off the chain if they have to pay $5 or more per gallon for gas. All it takes is one wrong election and war will break out, hard.
<c0rnelius> Don't piss off those soccer, Moms.
<stipa> yeah, there's a plethora of psychopaths in politics
<c0rnelius> It will go off the hook. quick.
<stipa> well yeah
<stipa> anything communism an alike is with putin
<c0rnelius> Indeed. He isn't thinking this shit through.
<stipa> eah, but if you look who created that concept
<c0rnelius> You start pissing off these ladies who are trying to budget. They'll cast that vote for the first lunatic who will drive prices down.
<c0rnelius> They'll be like; fuck it I have a few kids. I can spare one or two.
<c0rnelius> Thats how deep money has people. Especially these loons.
<stipa> it's a recurring thing
<stipa> in poorer economies communism wins
<stipa> but you get
<stipa> for example quality from china as a result
<stipa> or a madman from russia
<c0rnelius> Nothing wrong with definition of Communism. If we were to be space faring it would on some level be needed. But don't tell that to the common folk.
<stipa> i have nothing against it all
<stipa> i'm on ebay all day, Asia clicked in search filter
<c0rnelius> Nor do I. Its all niche really.
<stipa> but it could be without wars
<c0rnelius> Yeah. Fighting sucks.
<stipa> yea, for god sake, is it hard to understand that
<c0rnelius> apparently
<c0rnelius> Ever noticed its the dicks with all the loot that start the wars?
<stipa> go with your budget
<stipa> when it's tight think like a communist , when it's plenty switch to democracy
<stipa> c0rnelius: it's just a soul that has ass to feed
<stipa> or isn't happy aand thinks yacht could solve that
<c0rnelius> Now they make Yachts for ur Yacht :) Fancy life boat.
<stipa> everyone searches for security and happiness for the price of a war
<c0rnelius> Hey don't drag me into this. I don't want shit.
<stipa> man, i got into SIMS
<stipa> i'm loosing my mind
<stipa> spice sims
<stipa> like, virtual production
<c0rnelius> games bore me now. I play some on my tablets but only for a bit. Its more a habit than anything else.
<stipa> no games mate, SIMULATION
<c0rnelius> SIMS?
<stipa> yeah
<c0rnelius> ah
<c0rnelius> I thought that was a game
<stipa> i'm like gone
<stipa> yeah, there is a game
<c0rnelius> right
<lanefu> I still play super Mario 2
<c0rnelius> What kind of SIMS are you doing?
<stipa> electronics
<c0rnelius> I play some retro stuff when my youngest son was visiting. Beat his ass in Street Fighter.
<c0rnelius> played*
<stipa> like you build in a sim everything
<stipa> and send it to a factory
<stipa> but everything is like, you know, not real
<stipa> virtual
<stipa> it's on the market for decades but i got into it recently
<c0rnelius> So... Are you hooked?
<c0rnelius> Do we need to do an intervention?
<stipa> i think it some damage
<stipa> did*
<stipa> it's cool in a way
<stipa> it's like building stuff up from electronic components
<c0rnelius> Sounds like I should rally the troops and prob intervene.
<c0rnelius> Is it like CAD?
<stipa> chip design is recurring frequently as well
<stipa> c0rnelius: it's some fuckery
<stipa> it's like you have models
<stipa> of a chip
<stipa> but that model is made of transistors, diodes...
<stipa> and you build up
<stipa> to the CAD
<c0rnelius> I never liked engineering. I found it very boring.
<stipa> to the housing
<stipa> well, it has no sense if you have no goal
<stipa> what you want to make
<stipa> you have to have a goal
<stipa> and it all has sense then
<c0rnelius> Music. But I did it for a year and I hated it. So I went back out into the shop to fab.
<stipa> it's all just a tool
<c0rnelius> Gave me perspective as I could then fix shit on the fly.
<stipa> i see it all as a whole
<c0rnelius> I'm also not good at office politics.
<stipa> so , you know
<c0rnelius> yeah
<stipa> you can build a product completely in a computer and simulate it before the fab
<stipa> there's no need fro prototypes
<stipa> for*
<c0rnelius> yeah you can. But you need someone in the shop to review it.
<c0rnelius> They know more than the engineer usually
<c0rnelius> Well if they are paying attention, they do.
<stipa> i bet it could be simulated as well
<stipa> i guess i saw cnc has sims as well before real cutting
<c0rnelius> sure. like if the company doesn't care about lost revenue due to scrap and what have you.
<stipa> have you seen
<stipa> that jlcpcb offers 3D printing service
<stipa> company
<stipa> that make cheap pcbs
<c0rnelius> I've heard them, yes,
<c0rnelius> of them*
<stipa> liklike pcb, stencil and 3D print
<c0rnelius> I've never done anything with them but I know of them.
<stipa> some offer like soldering and making the whole thing
<stipa> sourcing part
<stipa> s
<c0rnelius> Apparently they are good and won't fab it, if the PCB is flawed.
<stipa> i have no idea, never done it before
<c0rnelius> They review the work or did.
<c0rnelius> Not sure now
<stipa> maaybe i'll do something like that in a year period
<stipa> c0rnelius: they usually give the instructions
<stipa> how small should something be or big
<stipa> wor better put , what are the machinery restrictions
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<stipa> how far they can push the machines
<c0rnelius> Yeah but on a technical level. If what you did doesn't work. It won't be fabbed.
<c0rnelius> At least that how it use to be. Maybe they don't care now?
<stipa> i don't think so, peeps are non stop bitching how their footprint is backwards in a library
<c0rnelius> hah'
<stipa> and that it took them 3 day to debug that when they soldered everything
<c0rnelius> maybe its changed..? I'm going on a few years ago and then attach the virus so its probs been longer.
<c0rnelius> the last two years are like a black hole.
<stipa> i dunno, really, i see from time to time rookkie mistakes of stuff backwards, so they don't check
<stipa> cad is really fuck with visualising space and stuff
<stipa> fucky*
<stipa> and people usually trust programs
<stipa> and footprint libraries
<stipa> and what they get usually first time is half of it backwards because they didn't check the datasheet
<stipa> and as you know, in OSH no one has time to fix that
<stipa> or OSS*
<c0rnelius> wtf are you trying to make?
<c0rnelius> pardon my french
<stipa> some synth modules
<c0rnelius> oh sounds like fun then
<stipa> yeah, i have specific goals
<c0rnelius> synth modules for music right?
<stipa> i went some time through schematics online, they are all complete crap
<stipa> c0rnelius: yeah, eurorack modules
<c0rnelius> fucking sweet
<stipa> yea
<c0rnelius> the best are those analog ones.
<stipa> like , DIP stuff and through hole
<stipa> with modern sim production
<c0rnelius> digital just about anything suck
<c0rnelius> I gotcha
<stipa> no digital, man, digital sux
<c0rnelius> hard
<stipa> the more they try the more it sux
<c0rnelius> you play guitar?
<stipa> nnope
<stipa> i played some long time ago
<c0rnelius> keyboard?
<stipa> for 7 years
<stipa> no, i don't play
<stipa> i went into
<c0rnelius> Why you messing with syth stuff then?
<stipa> how to call it
<stipa> i don't think of it as a musician anymore
<stipa> it's mostly physics and electronics
<stipa> some biology
<c0rnelius> Well technically all you need is a signal and a steady hand. But yeah.
<stipa> playing an instrument is small part of it
<c0rnelius> You do have to be musically inclined to some degree I thinks? Although, I have nothing against a diff approach.
<stipa> have you tried to mix your stuff?
<c0rnelius> I played for over 20 years.
<stipa> i played
<c0rnelius> yes, I mixed
<stipa> i learned how to record, mix and master
<stipa> i know how synths work
<c0rnelius> Yeap so did I and my mates.
<stipa> now i design gear
<stipa> synths
<stipa> i understand the market
<stipa> demography
<stipa> economy
<stipa> politics
<stipa> marketing
<stipa> law
<stipa> psychology
<stipa> electronics
<stipa> ...
<stipa> music comoposition
<stipa> and i use that all and more in a moment
<c0rnelius> Well I'm not gonna get into the politic of people and music. It mostly makes no sense, like Governments and war.
<stipa> you know what
<stipa> don't get mad at me
<c0rnelius> There are people to this day who want speak to me. Just music stuff :) and I wasn't even the asshole. They just feel that deeply about it.
<stipa> the newest wifi driver for RPI 4
<stipa> doesn't work in wifi N AP mode
<stipa> the one in your repository
<c0rnelius> what do you mean?
<stipa> clients disconnect
<stipa> when trying to do some load
<stipa> i had to go back to the one that armbian packs with it's images for that chip
<stipa> it works in AC mode
<c0rnelius> well I sold my 4. But last I check it was working. what kernel?
<c0rnelius> The 4 using the same firmware as the 3b+ and I still have two of those running around the house.
<stipa> 5.10 i guess
<stipa> i'll shell into it
<stipa> Linux orangepilite2 5.10.60-sunxi64 #21.08.1 SMP Wed Aug 25 18:29:57 UTC 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<c0rnelius> if ur using one of my imgs: `fetch -u`
<c0rnelius> update the kernel and firmware
<stipa> no, just the driver, sec
<stipa> firmware*
<c0rnelius> oh just the firmware.
<c0rnelius> yeah thats me
<stipa> yeah, you've put new one when there appeared on the rpi forum
<stipa> i guess late 2021
<stipa> it's borked on my board in AC AP mode
<stipa> N
<stipa> sorry
<c0rnelius> what the `dmesg | grep "brcm"`
<stipa> [ 9.285779] brcmfmac: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM4345/6 wl0: Feb 27 2018 03:15:32 version 7.45.154 (r684107 CY) FWID 01-4fbe0b04
<c0rnelius> thats 2018
<stipa> yea i went back
<stipa> that one works
<stipa> in both N and AC AP modes
<c0rnelius> could also be related to region.
<stipa> i was like shitting nad surfing and bam, disconnect
<stipa> silence
<stipa> i dunno
<stipa> i was sad
<stipa> i see there were some heavy hacks
<stipa> in rpi thread about it
<c0rnelius> hmm. brcm made adjustments to the firmware in order to get it working better across regions. I'm not sure if it had the desired effect.
<c0rnelius> so this one just stopped working?
<c0rnelius> brcmfmac: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM4345/6 wl0: Nov 1 2021 00:37:25 version 7.45.241 (1a2f2fa CY) FWID 01-703fd60
<c0rnelius> I also don't have an orangepilite2. I can't test that.
<stipa> yeah, that one
<stipa> in AP mode wifi N
<stipa> it like works an on heavy load it stops
<stipa> i think it stays connected
<stipa> but traffic goes silent
<c0rnelius> I updated it 3 months ago I thinks
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> late 2021
<stipa> like the rpi thread
<stipa> forum threas*
<stipa> d
<c0rnelius> I don't recall the last time I was on that shit show. Best bet find the commit that works and use those bins. If you tell me which ones work I can I make branch specific for that board.
<c0rnelius> Shit. Thinking way to much whilst typing.
<stipa> what can i tell, it works for now
<stipa> it's just 2018
<c0rnelius> Well its 2018. Those are shit.
<stipa> looks a bit old
<stipa> i'm joking
<stipa> works ok
<stipa> "
<stipa> Maneskin
<stipa> Russia banned from 2022 Eurovision Song Contest
<stipa> oh my
<c0rnelius> I'm always in a predicament as I normally don't have the SBC I'm trying to make function.
<c0rnelius> Good. Fuck Russia! You hear that webs? And I'm more Russian than you whores. Hang on mofo's.
<stipa> tbh, maybe i would be a developer for armbian, i would struggle but i have only one board and it's in use
<stipa> if i like touch it i would be killed in a 10 seconds because there's no internet in apartment
<c0rnelius> Don't touch it
<stipa> no way
<stipa> i tried but i would like not to go there any mmore
<stipa> people are just to addicted to the internet
<stipa> there's no internet, what did you do again...
<stipa> i did nothing ,it crashed!!
<stipa> LIER!!!
<c0rnelius> :)
<c0rnelius> if they think you know. ur to blame,
<stipa> yeah, i did it on purpose
<stipa> every time a do an upgrade i live in fear of a crash
<stipa> commercial stuff is much much worse
<stipa> half of clients don't even want to connect to that shit
<stipa> and those who do don't work well
<stipa> wifi is total disaster
<lanefu> I just deployed 4 tp-link wifi 6 APs at the office and had 55 devices online and it's been shockingly good
<lanefu> And majority on 5ghz connections
<archetech> open that d200 box
<archetech> d2000
<archetech> who lets a new toy just sit in a box
<stipa> weirdos
<stipa> lanefu: are you sure you didn't flash them with openwrt or something like that
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Lol alright fine
<lanefu> here you go
<lanefu> livestream
<archetech> now yer talkin
<lanefu> hurryn up
* archetech hears furious typing
<stipa> when is it starting?
<archetech> say Hi archetech lanefu
<stipa> oh there it is
<stipa> nice screwdrivers man
<lanefu> take it apart
<lanefu> or fire it up?
<stipa> apart
<archetech> ive seen the insides
<stipa> screenshare
<stipa> the case looks small for a pythium, i thought it'll be like standard desktop case size
* archetech is working on an opencore upgrade for the fresh hackntosh
<archetech> good cooling. tony says theyre kinda loud
<stipa> maybe they could be managed by software
<archetech> yes pro tip install amdgpu-fan from AUR
<archetech> fortheres a .yml file in /etc
<stipa> boots slowly
<archetech> ubu chinese OS. have to blow that awayy asap
<stipa> no HDMI
<archetech> install inxi
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Mine did not like my monitor, worked with another one
<stipa> maybe he could shell into it
<archetech> he is in ssh already
<stipa> oh, right
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I had no output when hooked to my Samsung monitor. That monitor has been trouble with other devices
<stipa> he also has samsung monitor, try other one
<stipa> another*
<archetech> thats a gpu driver issue I think
<stipa> i guess the gpu is in the pythium soc
<archetech> nope its a amd rx 550
<stipa> that driver is in kernel
<archetech> im shacked the ubu wont display
<archetech> shocked
<archetech> not a mon issue
<stipa> probably something stupid
<archetech> ya wouldnt get naything at boot
<archetech> ah
<archetech> kylin is the state allowed OS
<archetech> half updated ? SHIP IT!
<stipa> update looks promising
<stipa> dang
<stipa> it worked
<archetech> 4k is pointlessif ya mon isnt 4k
<archetech> ubjust makin sure
<archetech> just makin sure
<stipa> it it looks like 720p monitor
<archetech> run datetimectl blah to set it to Americxa/boondocks
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😆
<archetech> or timedatectl w/e
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Xi is checking out your network stuff right now, lanefu
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😉
<archetech> lol CCP thanks you for your purchase ;)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> whoopsie we stole all your IP
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> j/k
<archetech> ya need KDE plasma on wayland
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> this advertisement was paid for by archetech solutions, llc
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> would be cool to see. Mine got stupid hot playing youtube videos
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so I'm not sure the driver situation
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hey man, gotta cover the bases
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> man lane, got a new haircut
<stipa> i see a dog
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oh
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oops
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> my bad
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I use a buzzer on myself
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and yeah I'm missing some
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> direct from the motherland
<archetech> can take the doggy pic down now
<stipa> it's hypnotising
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😠
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I literally have them in a antistatic bag like sand
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> why you burn to SD?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> USB
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> finder was cool in 1998
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> le adaptuer
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no
<archetech> idk what he's doin. run a bench on the cpu. gpu we know is good
<stipa> can it play YT videos?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> my only SD adapter came for free with a card from a suspicious vendor
<archetech> ah. 2 birds one stone
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> RK3288 plays youtube videos on 4k reasonably well
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so I would hope this would 😄
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I played YT videos on mine, it got HOT
<archetech> ya its just running a chinses script to own ya
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> not yet, I've been owned by The Man
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> gotta pay the bills
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> whoa you disappeared
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> robot lane
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no video
<archetech> lost feed!
<stipa> same here, no video, fucked up audio
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the feed is half duplex 8 khz sampling
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> do me a favor and say "it's time for kicking ass and chewing bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> audio quality will make it a nostalgia piece
<stipa> yeah, the strange thing is that it's still going
<stipa> oh, her eit is
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> audio still FUBAR
<stipa> yeah, audio is wrong
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you are only in my left ear though
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah it's a half baked bios skin thing
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> with typos and all
<stipa> i honestly don't know what that distortion is but he's intelligible
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol I gotr into setup, it must not like your keyb
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> why you have weird peripherals
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<stipa> i'm thinking to go wired too, i'm sick of batteries
<stipa> of going *
<stipa> hmm, audio distortion could be not enough of kbs i guess
<archetech> why did audio go bad
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol my La Frite booted these images too 😄 Opposite ends of the spectrum
<stipa> probably when connection got bad audio went down in quality to compensate
<stipa> and didn't recover
<archetech> lane ya need to reboot the feed
<archetech> we cant hear ya
<stipa> who know where the fuckup is
<lanefu> still bad?
<archetech> dont matter why kill it and restart
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> well you sound like sega genesis quality speech
<archetech> yup
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> BETTER
<lanefu> okay
<stipa> good now
<lanefu> good now?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> good
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 'tis good
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> have one of those HDMI recording dongles?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> half my lab is packed up waiting to move and I can't find shit
<stipa> ni screenshare
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> password "roflcopter"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> what was that trainwreck of a UI?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> oh Mac
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> N/M
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> numbers without meaning
<archetech> System Information: Model: iMac • CPU: Intel Core i3-10100 (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 3.60 GHz • Memory: 8.00 GB • Graphics: Intel UHD Graphics 630 • OS: macOS Big Sur (Version 11.6.4, Build 20G417)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> another man with a good first name says that a lot
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> had to use extension cable to plug in my USB drive to get UEFI image burnt, now it's going extra slow because extension cable is USB2
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lanefu this thing has 2 sodimm slots
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and the paper claims it can handle 2x 32 GB
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't know about this
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Summit Racing sticker. Man of culture
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahahahahaha
<archetech> donya got Rev2 I think
<archetech> I think ya got Rev2
<stipa> archetech: you're on the TV
<archetech> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> clear the banner noob
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<archetech> is that a beer? bars open!
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> SN: blankness
* archetech sips his beam and coke
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> mac is taking a couple days off, over did it a couple nights ago
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I will fix it
<archetech> chinese hware is like a box of chocolates
<archetech> ya never know what you'' get
<archetech> ya got a 512gb ssd and more ram space
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the fans seemed to be fixed for me too
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't think the firmware is all there yet
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> $$$
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hmmmmm it didn't like my USB stick, I got busybox
<stipa> put it in a server room
<stipa> looks like everything works, it's strange that fans can't be controlled
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> sure 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah it is loud
<archetech> used as a server is like why get this at all its a workstation
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol la frite won't boot that USB drive either. RIP
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> alright, emplying LANEHAX
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> why do we burn these, actually? last UEFI USB I did I literally just dropped the files onto it and went about my business
<lanefu> i dunno i just work here
<lanefu> i hate installers so works for me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> If I get Armbian working I'll try freecad and kicad and such
<archetech> ya nico will kick out some reports
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I dunno, those are rough. Mine makes a grindy noise on start
<stipa> well, i have a notion of it being a soc with some punch
<stipa> that's heat
<archetech> nico likes new gear
<archetech> dont get newer than this
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> shitty air bearing
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> lol the fan
<archetech> only thing besides this is the rock5 and thats got no solid eta
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hmmmmmmm I think that image I tried is the problem
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> going to try a different one
<lanefu> i was using Edge
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yes
<lanefu> RC
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I could tell the second the fans shut off on your side 😄
<archetech> Q2. hope so
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have to call up the folks and have them send it to my new address
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> since Q2 I'll def be there
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> my Ryzen with fans all the way up is about 1/2 as loud as that Phytium box
<archetech> loud = audible from 3 feet aaway
* archetech gear is quiet or it gets a fanmate
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I'll examine other options for these fans, because the CPU one especially doesn't actually seem to move much air
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and nothing exhausts to the outside of the box
<archetech> hmm. not good Tony
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> agreed
<archetech> are ya runnin hot or is it the fan s got an issue
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it got pretty hot on me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> but the fans are always on
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no pwm in use
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> annoying
<archetech> gues you two will have to compare notes on that
<stipa> wee need ion fans
<stipa> ion wind*
<stipa> air purifying gratis
<stipa> no one mad anything useful by now but the idea is there
<stipa> made *
<archetech> hows the htop look
<archetech> core dump!
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hahahaha you had to say it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> YOU HAD TO SAY IT
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> SSH into it to see if you can get anything
<lanefu> no route to host on ssh
<lanefu> no ping
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> https://tenor.com/view/one-ping-only-gif-18114806
<archetech> maybe glmark2 has some deps ya missin
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> possible. SSH in and see if it yells when it dies next time
<archetech> well overall I'd say ya got a good capable arm workstation. well above any sbc
<archetech> that being the whole point of it I suppose
<archetech> sndintel is on the vcard
<archetech> yup. good idea
<archetech> ya. lets get the score at the end
<archetech> my n2 gets ~1500. on wayland glmark2-egl
<archetech> which is dang good for g52 on panfrost
<lanefu> With --off-screen flag?
<archetech> I expect ya get min double/trip that
<archetech> no 1500 on=screen
<lanefu> Lost her again
<lanefu> So close
<stipa> -- jebi ga
<ArmbianHelper> fuck it [hr~>eng]
<archetech> ya ty lane
<lanefu> yw
<lanefu> thanks for the nudge to get it out
<lanefu> (the comuter)
<lanefu> computer
<lanefu> lol
<stipa> yw man
<archetech> he took it out?
<archetech> seinfeld
<archetech> it...out
<lanefu> Lol
<archetech> arm is still a tech infant even after 10+ yrs but its fun hobby
<archetech> new stuff is slow to come out.
<stipa> it's not completely useless
<stipa> but still, there's bunch of capable hardware thrown away or recycled
<stipa> hardware in phones is nuts
<stipa> but you're forced to run crap on it
<IgorPec> archetech: all mobile phones runs arm chips and most of IOT. its far from hobby in this regard ... if you look on a bunch of low cost sbc / tv boxes in a combination with pure linux, that's another story
<archetech> IgorPec ARMBIya that latter story
<archetech> IgorPec ya that latter story
<archetech> if sbc's had the attn that phones get ha. be nice
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<schwarz_Kat> IgorPec: I've replied to your PM on the forum. With a couple of questions.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ok
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> @lanefu thanks for streaming that Dragonbox unboxing 😉 I missed live but watched now. very informative. I will prepare some alternative test images for you
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Yeah it was kinda fun
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Still awesome the Armbian images worked out of the box with edge kernel
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> somewhat worked, goes pfff if GPU 3d driven if I understand?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> also the UEFI looks exactly like Tianocore (Logs look exactly like OVMF). Wonder where it is stored, and if they make updates for it?
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> let me know your preferred desktop poison (cinammon?) and I'll provide a couple test images. establish baseline with ddk (Ubuntu kernel, Ubuntu firmware) and work from there
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> there's kernel patches on Ubuntu's tree we don't have, that might bring some stability
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<lanefu> Yeah cinnamon seems really good. I'm a mate person. But our build needs love.
<lanefu> Yeah once pushed GPU hard it crashed
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<Armbian-Discord> <p​titSeb> On the dragonbox forum, I have notice some people having issue a like that (hard crash when compiling kernel) when the used a Samsung 970 EVO ssd instead of the default one
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* nekomancer[m] now have tool to see logs with ANSI colors in Notepad++ editor as on terminal screen https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues/8078#issuecomment-1038732989
<lanefu> Ptitseb interesting. So def sounds related to heavy PCIe load then?
<lanefu> nekomancer[m]: ha nice
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @ptitSeb do you know if anyone has installed 64gig of ram on one of these
<Armbian-Discord> <p​titSeb> I don't think anyone has changed memory configuration yet
<lanefu> expensive gamble
<Armbian-Discord> <p​titSeb> yep
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @Tonymac32 I think it's power strained on the pcie bus
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i ran watch sensors
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> and it has the power info for the ati card
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> when the max watts get above 10w is when i hear it squeal
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> and one of hte hard tests at teh end ramped up to 18w and then died
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> it says max 25w on sensors
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> squeal = coil whine?
<TRS-80> Good day, fellow wizards! :)
<nekomancer[m]> TRS-80: long beard!
<TRS-80> My contact management software, based on Orgmode for Emacs, is coming along quite nicely. But today, I work on Armbian stuff. :)
<lanefu> @rpardini i guess?
<lanefu> gonna try a nicer power supply now
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: o/
<TRS-80> :)
<lanefu> yeah squeelin at hovering at 20w on card
<lanefu> 43w on killawatt
<lanefu> 22watt on card
<lanefu> okay yeah with glmarc on screen it goes to 24 w immediately
<lanefu> on card
<TRS-80> lanefu: What board?
<TRS-80> you have GPU plugged in PCIe(?)
* TRS-80 came in mid-stream
* TRS-80 goes to IRC logs
<lanefu> glmark2 5239!
<lanefu> TRS-80: phytium uploading vid in sec
<lanefu> so better power supply kept it from falling over!
<TRS-80> ^ this is why I drill this into new people, even the most experienced are bitten by the most common problems and often go back to basics
<TRS-80> power and media, every frickin time
<TRS-80> 7 and 5 nm? wow
<TRS-80> different article I see 14 and 16 (nm) which was closer to what I was expecting, well still pretty damn good
<lanefu> TRS-80: i'll get around to a peertube sooner or later :)
<lanefu> so given that this didn't fallover on glmark2 nwow
<TRS-80> lanefu: There are some existing ones you could join, like D. DeVault runs (or sponsors) one for example. I am sure there are others.
<lanefu> 100% usable as desktop
<lanefu> TRS-80: yeah but I'm my own cloud provider
<TRS-80> I know, me too, but I thought about going that way. There is only so much time in the day...
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> good day
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is some special build or stock armbian?
<lanefu> rpardini stock armbian
<lanefu> i used teh RC last night adn it worked too
<lanefu> was just trying his
<IgorPec> aha, ok
<lanefu> turned out crashign was from weak power supply
<IgorPec> cool.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The brick or the board?
<lanefu> i changed power brick
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> just heard it, it's coil whine indeed
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> btw gotta get a neofetch terminal in those videos
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I thought the brick felt light. Good to know
* lanefu raises hand.. what's coil wine
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> gamer term I guess
<IgorPec> sound of a coil
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> That squealing. So magnetic fields cause physical stress on coils that can cause vibrations
<lanefu> sooo i wanna install armbian onto the nvme... but i want the partitions to be aligned
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> exactly
<lanefu> can i make aligned boot part, and dd the boot part from the image, and then make os part, and dd that from image
<lanefu> or do i need to install some actual bootloader shit on it
<lanefu> ELI5 UEFI
<lanefu> @Tonymac32 so i need coil lube?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I want the sources for that "BIOS" to get the device tree sorted out
<lanefu> look on dragon box forum
<lanefu> seems like there's some links
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> No, if the voltage isn't falling off the coils doesn't get driven as hard
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> no cure for coil whine, its just life
<TRS-80> put it in a box :D
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Right.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Oh capacitors whine too. 😆
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> my nvidia gpus all have this wine over 70W
<TRS-80> looks like it has a box, maybe put lid back on
<lanefu> I can introduce you to phytium guy he's lurking on this discord
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I need to determine cooling solution first,
<TRS-80> if you were not sensitive to it before needing it explained, consider yourself lucky I guess
<TRS-80> meanwhile rest of us REEEEEEE
<lanefu> nono i heard it loud and clear with the lid on
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Rofl
<TRS-80> ahh, sux
<lanefu> my mind is too powerful
<lanefu> thats why i hear it
<lanefu> so seriously.. subtract the value of the NVME, the video card, and the ram
<lanefu> out of the base cost of this thing
<lanefu> adn what's left
<lanefu> $200?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Ceramic caps act like piezos and start wailing under the right conditions
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yeah I did that math, was around that indeed
<lanefu> compared to all the other shit chucked over the wall.. for a pre-production item this thing is a winner
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> what about the ethernet stuff?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> why do they ship a separate usb ether?
<lanefu> so let me go enable the gmac0 in thebios
<lanefu> lemme reboot and find out
<lanefu> @rpardini you try another image with 5.16?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I betcha we could (or already) bake in patches for the onboard ethernet
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've not ran any UEFI on 5.16 myself yet, and my images are Impish
<lanefu> the armbian 5.16 RC uefi workedf las tnight
<lanefu> haha ths is great i change the default boot order ot my USB drive now
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yep. it's userspace Jammy that worries me a bit, a bit in flux right now, a lot of unstable being pulled in
<lanefu> i also switched to a faster nicer usb key in honor of tony
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> what's that with the nvme partition alignment? 1k vs 4k stuff?
<TRS-80> @rpardini Werner Are these footnotes at https://docs.armbian.com/Release_Board-Maintainers/ still relevant, or did you guys finally link up and send hardware? :)
<lanefu> re nvme possible nothing.. mos tit was yelling at me about alignmen twhen i was booting from the sdcard
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> TRS-80: I've got the VIM3L from Werner, so promoted to khadas-vim3l maintainer I guess
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I'
<lanefu> switvching to kernel 5.16 from repo.. ready fire aim
<TRS-80> @rpardini, OK I will add that to table, editing now. Should I leave rest of these notes (are you still willing if someone send hardware)?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> yep. all meson64 in the end, if missing maintainer, I'd take if I had them. Right now the VIM3 would be very interesting S922X to confront Odroid's N2+
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> a few new names I've never seen before on that maintainer list. are those developers? eg, Technicavolous?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> cos also non-developers, but UART-enabled people with the boards and patience would help me a lot
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not all are developers on that list
<TRS-80> Some I think are not, I was hoping you guys might be able to help them a bit. Yes this is something like I was envisioning, just a little help.
<TRS-80> I am also encouraging people to hang around forums, IRC, and whatever else to lower burden in any way possible,
<TRS-80> I guess they will be like a front line troops, which we also need.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I've been thinking about a doing a general onboarding session "soon", get people building correctly and sending PRs, best way they learn
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> but from what I've seen more basic stuff like general git usage might be in order too
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ok, first we need to release a release 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> trs-80 how much work is needed on a text?
<lanefu> boot jammy 5.16 again from RC image
<lanefu> *booting
<TRS-80> @IgorPec I came here to work on that today in fact, I dunno as I did not look yet, so far catching up on forums and updating Board Maintainer list, but I can re-prioritize if needed. Although almost done anyway.
<TRS-80> @IgorPec Sorry man I was busy with other things last couple days and did not work on release announcement at all yet. But it is my priority today.
* TRS-80 got a lot of other things done while he was supposed to be doing that
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i will try to make another RC today, then ... a release
<TRS-80> structuredprocrastination.com/
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, known 😉
<TRS-80> :D
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and this is a solution https://todoist.com/productivity-methods/eat-the-frog 🙂
<lanefu> alright running glmark2 on 5.16.9
<lanefu> @rpardini yeah NIC didnt show up with other kernels either
<lanefu> given my track record with usb 3 nics.... gonna kinda be a show stopper in server country unless i swap video card out for NICs lol
<lanefu> i do think temps are better with lid off
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> ok no sign of it in lspci and such?
<lanefu> @IgorPec Sorry man I was busy with other things last couple days and did not work on release announcement at all yet. But it is my priority today. 64:Desktop:% sudo lspci
<lanefu> 00:00.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc16
<lanefu> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc08
<lanefu> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc01
<lanefu> 00:03.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc16
<lanefu> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc08
<lanefu> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc01
<lanefu> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Lexa PRO [Radeon 540/540X/550/550X / RX 540X/550/550X] (rev c7)
<lanefu> 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Baffin HDMI/DP Audio [Radeon RX 550 640SP / RX 560/560X]
<lanefu> 04:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Silicon Motion, Inc. SM2263EN/SM2263XT SSD Controller (rev 03)
<lanefu> 06:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03)
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> onboard NIC does not even show up. but UEFI firmware might be hiding it
<lanefu> rpardini there were 2 settings for neable gmac0 adn enable gmac1
<lanefu> that were off, but i turned htem on
<lanefu> glmark2 Score: 5247 kenrnel 5.16.9
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> perhaps on means off 😉
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> im gonna blame the firmware
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> gotta be something really wrong with it with their going to such lengths and shipping usb3 network alternative...
<lanefu> ROFL they sent a usb 2.0 NIC
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> well damn, that onboard then becomes important. hope it's not a pcb misfire
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> wondering about venc and vdec on the amdgpu, 3x 1080p h265 vencs might bring the coil whine
<lanefu> i can't even spell venc
<lanefu> yolo gonna dd image onto nvme now
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> soon enough you will be swapping nvmes like we do SD's
* TRS-80 holds lanefu's beer
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I dd to NVME directly from build machine then swap
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> also, RTL9210 works really well with decent powered USB host
<TRS-80> OK guise what is boardconf name (precicely) for
<TRS-80> oops
<TRS-80> OrangePi R1 plus LTS
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> naming not ok?
<TRS-80> I just want to be sure, as I am adding new to Board Maintainers table and have no idea about such things
<lanefu> has our PBP maintainer been around
<lanefu> i heard PBP image is broke
<TRS-80> just as is, lower case, and remove spaces?
<TRS-80> yeah I just made point in a forum post that just because someone put their name on a list does not mean necessarily that all is rainbows and unicorns all of a sudden
<TRS-80> I am almost positive I will be ordering a PBP next production run
<lanefu> im curious why `xz -d --threads=0` is decompressing my armbian image single threaded :P
<TRS-80> so I can maybe secondary at that point, but we are months away from that still
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> internal build names of boards, https://github.com/armbian/build/tree/master/config/boards
<TRS-80> @rpardini Thanks, I knew they were somewhere
<lanefu> TRS-80: is a good device for sure
* TRS-80 wasn't sure we had one for this board yet
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, we have it . i said katz to make a Pr to that list
<TRS-80> lanefu: You were one who got me on to PBP (and PINE64 in general), LOL
<TRS-80> in first place, so blame lanefu
<TRS-80> :)
<lanefu> I blame archetech
<lanefu> he came in bitching about some junk rock64
<lanefu> i never had a pine product prior
<TRS-80> in fact I will add a link to there from Board Maintainer page, along with cleaning up some awkward wording at top
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> armbian-next is already exporting all board family etc info from those files too, so generating markdown docs from it seems like a logical future step
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I like the way you think
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lanefu get this guy a beer
<lanefu> I'm giving him all the beer i can find
<lanefu> also @rpardini woohoo my usb 3 nic is doing 9xx mbit on iperf3
<TRS-80> @rpardini could you sugest somewhere I could look to learn more about that?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Nice. At least USB works. 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> so atleast that Renesas is working
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> There is a CPLD on the board that I don't know the purpose of
<lanefu> what's that
<lanefu> is that what phones home to xi
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> hahaha
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> A programmable logic device
<lanefu> i could use some logic
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And while really unlikely, anything is possible. 😉
<lanefu> if you look in the bios it has some shit for console redirect etc
<lanefu> so maybe some magic there
<TRS-80> personally I am only worried about phoning home to the draconian regime which has physical dominion over me
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> This is fair
<nekomancer[m]> why SBC designers uses uboot instead uefi?
<TRS-80> but we have alwasy been at war with Eastasia
<TRS-80> nekomancer[m]: I think that's changing a little lately?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> sbc designers design a board and they get this software in such form. also its a lot cheaper
<TRS-80> I am sure other guys know more, but I did read some news about UEFI recently
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> well take a look at Tianocore source code, then at u-boot source code
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> requirements for UEFI are much higher, eg, framebuffer
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> u-boot can optionally persist environment somewhere, uefi has that as requirement
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> btw our uefi images ship efibootmgr, a bit complex to use, but works
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> efibootmgr -v gets you started, shows how the firmware hides their entries
<nekomancer[m]> `PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.`???
<nekomancer[m]> software hardware?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> also in /sys/firmware/efi/vars you can find secrets
<lanefu> IgorPec: is your home internet saturated? or is it just transatlantic traffic makign things slow to imola
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> it is saturated
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> should be better now
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<lanefu> TRS-80: fair concern
<lanefu> with all this ubuntu jammy BS i'm actually really looking forward to a debian sid desktop
<lanefu> maybe not i dunno
<lanefu> #changeishard
<lanefu> #changekeepsmeemployed
<TRS-80> I, too, earn my living from unsistainable systems
<TRS-80> s/unsistainable/unsustainable/
<ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: I, too, earn my living from unsustainable systems
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<lanefu> alright time to put human suit on
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> What is this human you speak of? Confused squint from blue/gray soulless eyes
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<TRS-80> I have just started a serious edit of the Release Announcement. I am going to begin by hacking away about 75% or it, so I copied the thing en toto to a new document before doing that.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Thank you
<TRS-80> actually I copied it into a real editor at the moment, as much as I love your docs site :)
<lanefu> You gotta do what you gotta do
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<TRS-80> OK, much better
<TRS-80> A lot better, but... Anyway yeah here lemme know what ya think: https://docs.lane-fu.com/umTV7BjLTH-IRK9w8qlKHg#
* TRS-80 feels like he can crack open a cold one now :D
<IgorPec> go for it! :)
<TRS-80> I feel like I am still whining a bit in User Relationship section, but don't know how else to put it
<TRS-80> YOU ARE DUMB. THE END
<IgorPec> LOL
<IgorPec> let me do some touches
<IgorPec> "We also have a new forum Moderator, Myron. I am sure I am forgetting some people, and apologies for not mentioning everyone specifically by name."
<IgorPec> i would cut this out since otherwise we need to name all
<TRS-80> yeah I was kind of wondering about that, too
<IgorPec> removed
<TRS-80> I mean, go ahead, I posted it back publicly. Or I can. I did all heavy editing locally, now just need to tweak I think.
<TRS-80> I tried to weave together all the disjointed rambling into some sort of cohesive narrative.
<TRS-80> While still making the important points.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, that's good path
* TRS-80 goes to make a freshie
<Herc> nice work, TRS-80
<Herc> AR-1048 Rpi kernel image is not updated on upgrade <-- also not upgraded on paspiOS, there you need to do a dist-upgrade (and reboot)
<ArmbianHelper> AR-1048 [Bug] "Rpi kernel image is not updated on upgrade" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2022-01-13. Status: To Do
<TRS-80> Herc: Thanks. I fancy myself a bit of a writer / editor.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> is there any better word for "aforementioned"
<TRS-80> get off my lawn
<TRS-80> :)
<TRS-80> I like aforementioned, but I also use Emacs and think modernity is cancer, so... ? :)
<TRS-80> previously mentioned would be more pedestrian I guess
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> probably better.
<TRS-80> It can still be polished, trimmed down.
<TRS-80> I cut out a lot, then added a lot back in. lol
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we are getting there. its already good that its not just my perspective
<TRS-80> I hope you feel better getting that all out though lol
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> "Perhaps the ‘800 pound gorilla’ in the room, is our relationship with hardware vendors."
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this seems a bit complicated to understand
<TRS-80> I was thinking maybe too US centric phrase
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes
<TRS-80> Well, I am drinking now. You go ahead and hack up my beautiful masterpiece as you see fit, boss. :D
<TRS-80> The Missus started drinking these margeritas last night, but I did not feel like I deserved to join her yet. Now I do. :)
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i think i won't change much. its just few things here and there
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> go get your margeritas 😉 i probably won't join tonight, perhaps tomorrow
<TRS-80> Jokes aside, I still don't know how we can communicate certain things to users, without calling them idiot, essentially.
<TRS-80> because that's a really effective communication strategy
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for that you need a communication agency. to develop and communicate via separate channels same story in different package
<TRS-80> oh I am almost done with first one already, way ahead of you :)
<TRS-80> Yeah well no budget for that but we do need to think about, and do long term 'messaging' as much as I hate the term
<TRS-80> truth doesn't even matter (not that the truth is not on our side here) only repeading things ad nauseum, unfortunately
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for long term messaging it might be good to have a person to deal with this
<TRS-80> Ad Nauseum, my new marketing agency, what do you think? lol
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> All a happy release day wished!
<TRS-80> cheers @NicoD
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> tnx . still errors in production https://github.com/armbian/build/actions/runs/1904107222
<TRS-80> @IgorPec I mean, I have no professional background, but as long as I have time I can continue to take this role here and there over the long term. I already do it in my free time on outside forums like PINE64 and elsewhere anyway.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have some background in marketing comm, enough to understand what is needed
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but not to run this operation
<TRS-80> my experienced is based in putting my own foot in my mouth, by now I know what *not* to say (mostly) lol
<tonymac32> TRS-80 has a thing for feet
<TRS-80> tonymac32: projection
<tonymac32> O_o
<TRS-80> :p
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> lol
* tonymac32 apparently needs to get a beefier PSU for the Phytium
<TRS-80> but again, jokes aside, I was just complimenting SXMO guys on making efforts to present at conferences, etc. as otherwise I would not have known about their project
<TRS-80> I do think we need sustained long term efforts in these community building and marketing areas, for long term health of hte project
<TRS-80> as much as I hate to say it
<TRS-80> plus maybe we bump into some hardware vendors and work some things out over beers
<TRS-80> one can dream I guess
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hardware is dirt cheap, selling it is a bit more problematic
<TRS-80> yes but this is indusstry wide, not only Armbian problem
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes ofc
<TRS-80> you are not wrong but what can we do
<TRS-80> just keep raising awareness I suppose
<tonymac32> need industrial branch
<TRS-80> You guys should maybe form company, I don't see how you could do worse than some of other offerings honestly
<tonymac32> i.mx, etc. But those are usually a bit better vendor handled due to being "professionals"
* TRS-80 goes for a refill
<tonymac32> oof, 60W PSU supplied, SoC can use 25 alone
<TRS-80> I need to make a forum post about DIN rail power supply, and some other things, maybe I do that now
<tonymac32> that radeon is likely thirstier than the SoC
<TRS-80> Should we say something about grant we got for armbian-config? Are we still looking for people here?
<TRS-80> I mean, I guess those are 2 separate questions.
<TRS-80> Oh totally unrelated, apparently we now get an IRC bouncer along with our sr.ht account. Not that I necessarily want to be on here every waking hour. lol
<tonymac32> fosscord
<tonymac32> must.. self... host... nerd... chat...
* TRS-80 searches internet for fosscord
<TRS-80> it's against ToS
* tonymac32 knew TRS-80 would take the bait
<TRS-80> bottom line is you are on their plantaion
<TRS-80> don't act like you weren't seriously considering it
<TRS-80> lol
<tonymac32> I don't care if discordians can use the server or not
* TRS-80 wonders which meaning of Discordian you mean here
* tonymac32 is not allowed to run things because he isn't nice
<TRS-80> democracy is a meme
<TRS-80> benevolent dictatorship is where it's at
<tonymac32> for it to remain benevolent requires it to be in fear of it's subjects :)
<TRS-80> no, that only applies to sociopaths (i.e., 'mainstream' governments and corps)
<TRS-80> I meant like Igor
<TRS-80> :)
<TRS-80> or Linus Torvalds, etc.
<tonymac32> benevolence is not human nature, it's taught
<TRS-80> well yes it is enlightened, I am not sure taught or what but yeah definitely not the norm in human nature
<tonymac32> lanefu is there some reference page for links to things about this phytium box? Or am I going to have to get dirty?
<TRS-80> tonymac32: You have one in your hands too?
<tonymac32> indeed
<TRS-80> well, see, actually doing stuff has it's perks
<tonymac32> I almost got as honeycomb a while back but it was as much money as the motherboard + CPU for a Ryzen 7 ...
<TRS-80> x86 is dead to me, do let us know how you get on
* TRS-80 is excited about the contact management software he is working on
<TRS-80> I finally gave up on CardDAV and vCard, I need to write a blog about that
* tonymac32 is horribly pessimistic about ARM ever unseating x86 on desktops IRL. Mac corner cases being a fluke of release timing IMHO
<tonymac32> gave up on those?
<tonymac32> you should definitely expand on that
<TRS-80> hera and now or in a blog
<TRS-80> ?
<TRS-80> lol
<tonymac32> rofl dealer's choice
* TRS-80 needs to make a blog, too
<TRS-80> I am getting close to 'blog' after some years of looking into it
<TRS-80> because, you know, only standards compliant plain HTML will do...
* TRS-80 rolls eyes at himself
<tonymac32> :)
<TRS-80> Well, after trying for years (with some success) to self host CardDAV server, I finally realized that 2 way sync with Android should not be the goal. Since I have a PinePhone now, I can use plain text files.
<TRS-80> But if it were not for things like https://alessandrorossini.org/the-sad-story-of-the-vcard-format-and-its-lack-of-interoperability/ (and others) along the way, I probably would not have come to same conclusion.
<TRS-80> But the fact that, in #current_year, we stil do not have good, simple, reliable, and cross-platform sync of contacts and calendar info, simply boggles my mind
<tonymac32> people took up using the goog as the bridge
<TRS-80> yeah I guess that is the short answer
<tonymac32> which is not a good answer :)
<TRS-80> But, ostensibly at least, CardDAV is an IETF standard. In reality, not so much (unfortunately) as outlined in above article.
<TRS-80> quite telling was link at bottom of posted article to IETF mailing list where they allow for vendor extensions to vCard standars. Well, I agree with author, that's no standard at all.
<TRS-80> anyway, working title is org-contacts-pedantic, what do you think? lol
<TRS-80> I may be peaking Ballmer curve, was going to do another PR but maybe not
<tonymac32> hahahahaha
<tonymac32> :|
<TRS-80> if it were English, is it functionally any different?
<TRS-80> that is maybe one of most refreshing things about Free Software, no accepting EULA upon installing software :)
<tonymac32> well, I wouldn't be concerned about agreeing to a mistranslation
<TRS-80> What is this, anyway? Yet another software forge?
<tonymac32> yeah looks like chinese github
<tonymac32> youcan't see any details about repos unless you sign in
<tonymac32> and to do that you must make an account that agrees with this
<TRS-80> let's take an inherently de-centralized service, and centralize it
<TRS-80> and I thought Microsoft GitHub was bad, lol
<tonymac32> lol
<TRS-80> participation on sr.ht doesn't even require an account, only email
<tonymac32> https://gogs.io/
<tonymac32> I keep meaning to actually try this
<TRS-80> You know me tonymac32. I research things to death. And what I found, was that there is sr.ht, and then there are GitHub clones.
<tonymac32> correct. But I'm not gonig to lie, the email-based patch thing is just so.. effing.. painful
<TRS-80> Even if F/LOSS, they are still requiring tons of JS, slow as hell, etc...
<TRS-80> tonymac32: what sort of aspiring kernel dev ARE you?!
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @Tonymac32 that's 71 watts on the kil-a-watt
<TRS-80> lanefu: The Missus told me I look like Big Buck Bunny
<tonymac32> lanefu yeah, figured
<TRS-80> :/
<tonymac32> TRS-80 th politics of submitting kernel patches is why I never have
<tonymac32> 95% effort is in formatting, emailing, and not hurting feelings
<tonymac32> I read the mailing lists all the time and just, sheeeessshhh
<TRS-80> GKH gave a really good talk at some point, I think it was called 'formatting matters'
<TRS-80> I could try and dig it up if you care
<tonymac32> I don't disagree with that
<TRS-80> but think about it, the scale...
<TRS-80> it would be total chaos
<tonymac32> but, the problem isn't the formatting, it's relearning literally everything to conform to a standard only to add an extra " " somewhere and get dunked on for it
<TRS-80> there are 1000s of contributors to the kernel, it's really mind boggling
<tonymac32> and the " " wasn't even you, it was a tool
<TRS-80> I don't think it's so bad
<TRS-80> esp. if you are actually trying
<TRS-80> tonymac32: Drew also made https://git-send-email.io/
<TRS-80> truth be told, I had to learn that way, too
<TRS-80> But you are smart guy, think about it. Email is inherently decentralized.
<tonymac32> yeah, but here's the thing, these chains are chaos. They are the very definition of burying the useful info in a pile of dirt
<TRS-80> I think https://drewdevault.com/2020/08/27/Microsoft-plays-their-hand.html is what really convinced me
<tonymac32> and the submission system is inherently centralized
<TRS-80> as long as there is NNTP, gmane, public inbox, and lore.kernel, those things are not buried, in fact they are searchable in plain text on your local machine
<tonymac32> correct, and I can find individual grains of gold in my yard, too, if I search hard enough
<TRS-80> my understanding is there are so many sub-systems, that Linus has a lot of lieutennants, etc...
<tonymac32> but it's a personal gripe, no need to debate really
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Where is there nntp that isn't full of bad things
<TRS-80> @lanefu gmane
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<TRS-80> full arcives of mailing lists going way back
<TRS-80> I don't talk about Fight Club to just anyone you know
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Then you can find me on alt.rec.auto.chevy.4x4
<TRS-80> touche, fren :)
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Well from the before times
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> And alt.rec.autos.vw.aircooled
<TRS-80> NNTP is probably more a transport/archive mechanism for F/LOSS mailing lists at this point, certainly not what it used to be.
<TRS-80> t. Gnus user
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<TRS-80> tonymac32: In truth, all those formatting issues are only a problem in 'modern' (read: shitty) editors which don't follow standards. You don't even need to git-format-email if you send from a proper editor.
<c0rnelius> Must have been a real cringe worthy moment when you wrote all that Raspberry Pi shit down.
<TRS-80> lanefu: And Gmane's counterpart, http://gwene.org/
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: lolwut?
<c0rnelius> Well I know you don't have a lot of love for the RPIF. So... Yeah all that pi support in the PIG release.
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: are you referring to that one little bullet point in current Release Announcement
<TRS-80> lol yeah
<c0rnelius> I thought of you just waiting to explode when I read that.
<c0rnelius> and yeah probs elephant would be better than gorilla
<TRS-80> I should really make a forum post about that A. Rosenzwyg (sp?) presentation I saw recently. It really did start to change my mind about Broadcom.
<TRS-80> Pretty sure Igor change that already. You are welcome to polish it up as well, it can always use more.
<c0rnelius> I'm sure he has it under control
<TRS-80> c0rnelius: For all your gruffness, often your feedback is actually valuable
<c0rnelius> Never been called gruff before. I like it :)
<TRS-80> polish away
<c0rnelius> grouch, yes. angry. all the timr.
<c0rnelius> time*
<TRS-80> I used to be, too
<TRS-80> there is certainly plenty to be angry about, often rightfully so
<c0rnelius> Its a way of life... son.
<TRS-80> I ain't you son you Fing redneck
<TRS-80> :p
<c0rnelius> redneck? :) ok.
<TRS-80> ah maybe it works better in person
<TRS-80> I been saying that for at least 10, maybe 20 years
<c0rnelius> I was born in the South so its all good. Its called Cuba now I think?