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<stipa>
yeah, Croatia got help only when it entered nato
<c0rnelius>
Until it does matter and Russia is knocking on their door.
<stipa>
before that it was slaughter
<c0rnelius>
If I was in that meeting I would suggest now is the time to attack.
<stipa>
war is not the answer
<stipa>
more civilized societies on earth avoid wars for any cost
<c0rnelius>
All those fuck sticks around the border of Ukraine. Easy pickings. carpet bomb them.
<c0rnelius>
I agree. No one wants war. But sometimes you need to burn out the dead wood. Putin is dead wood.
<stipa>
he has a mind if a criminal
<stipa>
of a*
<stipa>
i think he has no idea what a capitalistic system is
<stipa>
that's why he attacked
<stipa>
he doesn't see it as a threat
<stipa>
it's economical monster
<stipa>
he's gone
<stipa>
that's economical war
<stipa>
c0rnelius: you talked by how disgusting the capitalism is
<stipa>
that's what puti is against now
<stipa>
putin*
<stipa>
he had access to open market
<stipa>
economy respects all participants
<stipa>
and he fucked it up because he has no brain to understand it
<stipa>
c0rnelius: the EU is ditching a lot of money
<c0rnelius>
stipa: ur entitled to ur opinion but I don't believe thats really true. I think he is more upset that Russia aren't shit anymore and that its pretty much just a lil bully on the street now. China has more power than Russia does.
<stipa>
russian money*
<stipa>
c0rnelius: no one cares what's on his mind
<stipa>
he's genocidal freak
<stipa>
he's nuts
<c0rnelius>
Well yes. But its a motivational factor behind what he is up too. For whatever reason the people around he also keep listening.
<stipa>
the whole EU is reorganizing the economy just to get rid of anything related to the russia
<c0rnelius>
him*
<stipa>
and there are at leas 30% losses or even more
<c0rnelius>
Well. Thats gonna hurt. Also hurt Russians. Hopefully they get together and get rid of Putins dumb ass.
<stipa>
that's how much we care for ukraine
<stipa>
nato helps with resources
<stipa>
but can't fight
<c0rnelius>
Its WWIII
<c0rnelius>
time to pick a side I guess.
<c0rnelius>
or maybe its not?
<stipa>
i suggest no war at all
<c0rnelius>
Me too... But kinda I would like to see the status quo shaken up a bit.
<c0rnelius>
Mostly I would like to see that man removed.
<c0rnelius>
The fella is garbage.
<stipa>
pretty much everyone does
<stipa>
it would be highly economical
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<c0rnelius>
Russia should just stick with making interesting SciFi / Horror flicks. You know, stick with what ur good at. This ruining everyone's day shit is not very flattering.
<stipa>
some russians are fine
<stipa>
they just have that asshole terrorising them
<c0rnelius>
Plus Americans are gonna fly off the chain if they have to pay $5 or more per gallon for gas. All it takes is one wrong election and war will break out, hard.
<c0rnelius>
Don't piss off those soccer, Moms.
<stipa>
yeah, there's a plethora of psychopaths in politics
<c0rnelius>
It will go off the hook. quick.
<stipa>
well yeah
<stipa>
anything communism an alike is with putin
<c0rnelius>
Indeed. He isn't thinking this shit through.
<stipa>
eah, but if you look who created that concept
<c0rnelius>
You start pissing off these ladies who are trying to budget. They'll cast that vote for the first lunatic who will drive prices down.
<c0rnelius>
They'll be like; fuck it I have a few kids. I can spare one or two.
<c0rnelius>
Thats how deep money has people. Especially these loons.
<stipa>
it's a recurring thing
<stipa>
in poorer economies communism wins
<stipa>
but you get
<stipa>
for example quality from china as a result
<stipa>
or a madman from russia
<c0rnelius>
Nothing wrong with definition of Communism. If we were to be space faring it would on some level be needed. But don't tell that to the common folk.
<stipa>
i have nothing against it all
<stipa>
i'm on ebay all day, Asia clicked in search filter
<c0rnelius>
Nor do I. Its all niche really.
<stipa>
but it could be without wars
<c0rnelius>
Yeah. Fighting sucks.
<stipa>
yea, for god sake, is it hard to understand that
<c0rnelius>
apparently
<c0rnelius>
Ever noticed its the dicks with all the loot that start the wars?
<stipa>
go with your budget
<stipa>
when it's tight think like a communist , when it's plenty switch to democracy
<stipa>
c0rnelius: it's just a soul that has ass to feed
<stipa>
or isn't happy aand thinks yacht could solve that
<c0rnelius>
Now they make Yachts for ur Yacht :) Fancy life boat.
<stipa>
everyone searches for security and happiness for the price of a war
<c0rnelius>
Hey don't drag me into this. I don't want shit.
<stipa>
man, i got into SIMS
<stipa>
i'm loosing my mind
<stipa>
spice sims
<stipa>
like, virtual production
<c0rnelius>
games bore me now. I play some on my tablets but only for a bit. Its more a habit than anything else.
<stipa>
no games mate, SIMULATION
<c0rnelius>
SIMS?
<stipa>
yeah
<c0rnelius>
ah
<c0rnelius>
I thought that was a game
<stipa>
i'm like gone
<stipa>
yeah, there is a game
<c0rnelius>
right
<lanefu>
I still play super Mario 2
<c0rnelius>
What kind of SIMS are you doing?
<stipa>
electronics
<c0rnelius>
I play some retro stuff when my youngest son was visiting. Beat his ass in Street Fighter.
<c0rnelius>
played*
<stipa>
like you build in a sim everything
<stipa>
and send it to a factory
<stipa>
but everything is like, you know, not real
<stipa>
virtual
<stipa>
it's on the market for decades but i got into it recently
<c0rnelius>
So... Are you hooked?
<c0rnelius>
Do we need to do an intervention?
<stipa>
i think it some damage
<stipa>
did*
<stipa>
it's cool in a way
<stipa>
it's like building stuff up from electronic components
<c0rnelius>
Sounds like I should rally the troops and prob intervene.
<c0rnelius>
Is it like CAD?
<stipa>
chip design is recurring frequently as well
<stipa>
c0rnelius: it's some fuckery
<stipa>
it's like you have models
<stipa>
of a chip
<stipa>
but that model is made of transistors, diodes...
<stipa>
and you build up
<stipa>
to the CAD
<c0rnelius>
I never liked engineering. I found it very boring.
<stipa>
to the housing
<stipa>
well, it has no sense if you have no goal
<stipa>
what you want to make
<stipa>
you have to have a goal
<stipa>
and it all has sense then
<c0rnelius>
Music. But I did it for a year and I hated it. So I went back out into the shop to fab.
<stipa>
it's all just a tool
<c0rnelius>
Gave me perspective as I could then fix shit on the fly.
<stipa>
i see it all as a whole
<c0rnelius>
I'm also not good at office politics.
<stipa>
so , you know
<c0rnelius>
yeah
<stipa>
you can build a product completely in a computer and simulate it before the fab
<stipa>
there's no need fro prototypes
<stipa>
for*
<c0rnelius>
yeah you can. But you need someone in the shop to review it.
<c0rnelius>
They know more than the engineer usually
<c0rnelius>
Well if they are paying attention, they do.
<stipa>
i bet it could be simulated as well
<stipa>
i guess i saw cnc has sims as well before real cutting
<c0rnelius>
sure. like if the company doesn't care about lost revenue due to scrap and what have you.
<stipa>
have you seen
<stipa>
that jlcpcb offers 3D printing service
<stipa>
company
<stipa>
that make cheap pcbs
<c0rnelius>
I've heard them, yes,
<c0rnelius>
of them*
<stipa>
liklike pcb, stencil and 3D print
<c0rnelius>
I've never done anything with them but I know of them.
<stipa>
some offer like soldering and making the whole thing
<stipa>
sourcing part
<stipa>
s
<c0rnelius>
Apparently they are good and won't fab it, if the PCB is flawed.
<stipa>
i have no idea, never done it before
<c0rnelius>
They review the work or did.
<c0rnelius>
Not sure now
<stipa>
maaybe i'll do something like that in a year period
<stipa>
c0rnelius: they usually give the instructions
<stipa>
how small should something be or big
<stipa>
wor better put , what are the machinery restrictions
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<stipa>
how far they can push the machines
<c0rnelius>
Yeah but on a technical level. If what you did doesn't work. It won't be fabbed.
<c0rnelius>
At least that how it use to be. Maybe they don't care now?
<stipa>
i don't think so, peeps are non stop bitching how their footprint is backwards in a library
<c0rnelius>
hah'
<stipa>
and that it took them 3 day to debug that when they soldered everything
<c0rnelius>
maybe its changed..? I'm going on a few years ago and then attach the virus so its probs been longer.
<c0rnelius>
the last two years are like a black hole.
<stipa>
i dunno, really, i see from time to time rookkie mistakes of stuff backwards, so they don't check
<stipa>
cad is really fuck with visualising space and stuff
<stipa>
fucky*
<stipa>
and people usually trust programs
<stipa>
and footprint libraries
<stipa>
and what they get usually first time is half of it backwards because they didn't check the datasheet
<stipa>
and as you know, in OSH no one has time to fix that
<stipa>
or OSS*
<c0rnelius>
wtf are you trying to make?
<c0rnelius>
pardon my french
<stipa>
some synth modules
<c0rnelius>
oh sounds like fun then
<stipa>
yeah, i have specific goals
<c0rnelius>
synth modules for music right?
<stipa>
i went some time through schematics online, they are all complete crap
<stipa>
c0rnelius: yeah, eurorack modules
<c0rnelius>
fucking sweet
<stipa>
yea
<c0rnelius>
the best are those analog ones.
<stipa>
like , DIP stuff and through hole
<stipa>
with modern sim production
<c0rnelius>
digital just about anything suck
<c0rnelius>
I gotcha
<stipa>
no digital, man, digital sux
<c0rnelius>
hard
<stipa>
the more they try the more it sux
<c0rnelius>
you play guitar?
<stipa>
nnope
<stipa>
i played some long time ago
<c0rnelius>
keyboard?
<stipa>
for 7 years
<stipa>
no, i don't play
<stipa>
i went into
<c0rnelius>
Why you messing with syth stuff then?
<stipa>
how to call it
<stipa>
i don't think of it as a musician anymore
<stipa>
it's mostly physics and electronics
<stipa>
some biology
<c0rnelius>
Well technically all you need is a signal and a steady hand. But yeah.
<stipa>
playing an instrument is small part of it
<c0rnelius>
You do have to be musically inclined to some degree I thinks? Although, I have nothing against a diff approach.
<stipa>
have you tried to mix your stuff?
<c0rnelius>
I played for over 20 years.
<stipa>
i played
<c0rnelius>
yes, I mixed
<stipa>
i learned how to record, mix and master
<stipa>
i know how synths work
<c0rnelius>
Yeap so did I and my mates.
<stipa>
now i design gear
<stipa>
synths
<stipa>
i understand the market
<stipa>
demography
<stipa>
economy
<stipa>
politics
<stipa>
marketing
<stipa>
law
<stipa>
psychology
<stipa>
electronics
<stipa>
...
<stipa>
music comoposition
<stipa>
and i use that all and more in a moment
<c0rnelius>
Well I'm not gonna get into the politic of people and music. It mostly makes no sense, like Governments and war.
<stipa>
you know what
<stipa>
don't get mad at me
<c0rnelius>
There are people to this day who want speak to me. Just music stuff :) and I wasn't even the asshole. They just feel that deeply about it.
<stipa>
the newest wifi driver for RPI 4
<stipa>
doesn't work in wifi N AP mode
<stipa>
the one in your repository
<c0rnelius>
what do you mean?
<stipa>
clients disconnect
<stipa>
when trying to do some load
<stipa>
i had to go back to the one that armbian packs with it's images for that chip
<stipa>
it works in AC mode
<c0rnelius>
well I sold my 4. But last I check it was working. what kernel?
<c0rnelius>
The 4 using the same firmware as the 3b+ and I still have two of those running around the house.
<stipa>
5.10 i guess
<stipa>
i'll shell into it
<stipa>
Linux orangepilite2 5.10.60-sunxi64 #21.08.1 SMP Wed Aug 25 18:29:57 UTC 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<c0rnelius>
if ur using one of my imgs: `fetch -u`
<stipa>
yeah, you've put new one when there appeared on the rpi forum
<stipa>
i guess late 2021
<stipa>
it's borked on my board in AC AP mode
<stipa>
N
<stipa>
sorry
<c0rnelius>
what the `dmesg | grep "brcm"`
<stipa>
[ 9.285779] brcmfmac: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM4345/6 wl0: Feb 27 2018 03:15:32 version 7.45.154 (r684107 CY) FWID 01-4fbe0b04
<c0rnelius>
thats 2018
<stipa>
yea i went back
<stipa>
that one works
<stipa>
in both N and AC AP modes
<c0rnelius>
could also be related to region.
<stipa>
i was like shitting nad surfing and bam, disconnect
<stipa>
silence
<stipa>
i dunno
<stipa>
i was sad
<stipa>
i see there were some heavy hacks
<stipa>
in rpi thread about it
<c0rnelius>
hmm. brcm made adjustments to the firmware in order to get it working better across regions. I'm not sure if it had the desired effect.
<c0rnelius>
so this one just stopped working?
<c0rnelius>
brcmfmac: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM4345/6 wl0: Nov 1 2021 00:37:25 version 7.45.241 (1a2f2fa CY) FWID 01-703fd60
<c0rnelius>
I also don't have an orangepilite2. I can't test that.
<stipa>
yeah, that one
<stipa>
in AP mode wifi N
<stipa>
it like works an on heavy load it stops
<stipa>
i think it stays connected
<stipa>
but traffic goes silent
<c0rnelius>
I updated it 3 months ago I thinks
<stipa>
yeah
<stipa>
late 2021
<stipa>
like the rpi thread
<stipa>
forum threas*
<stipa>
d
<c0rnelius>
I don't recall the last time I was on that shit show. Best bet find the commit that works and use those bins. If you tell me which ones work I can I make branch specific for that board.
<c0rnelius>
Shit. Thinking way to much whilst typing.
<stipa>
what can i tell, it works for now
<stipa>
it's just 2018
<c0rnelius>
Well its 2018. Those are shit.
<stipa>
looks a bit old
<stipa>
i'm joking
<stipa>
works ok
<stipa>
"
<stipa>
Maneskin
<stipa>
Russia banned from 2022 Eurovision Song Contest
<stipa>
oh my
<c0rnelius>
I'm always in a predicament as I normally don't have the SBC I'm trying to make function.
<c0rnelius>
Good. Fuck Russia! You hear that webs? And I'm more Russian than you whores. Hang on mofo's.
<stipa>
tbh, maybe i would be a developer for armbian, i would struggle but i have only one board and it's in use
<stipa>
if i like touch it i would be killed in a 10 seconds because there's no internet in apartment
<c0rnelius>
Don't touch it
<stipa>
no way
<stipa>
i tried but i would like not to go there any mmore
<stipa>
people are just to addicted to the internet
<stipa>
there's no internet, what did you do again...
<stipa>
i did nothing ,it crashed!!
<stipa>
LIER!!!
<c0rnelius>
:)
<c0rnelius>
if they think you know. ur to blame,
<stipa>
yeah, i did it on purpose
<stipa>
every time a do an upgrade i live in fear of a crash
<stipa>
commercial stuff is much much worse
<stipa>
half of clients don't even want to connect to that shit
<stipa>
and those who do don't work well
<stipa>
wifi is total disaster
<lanefu>
I just deployed 4 tp-link wifi 6 APs at the office and had 55 devices online and it's been shockingly good
<lanefu>
And majority on 5ghz connections
<archetech>
open that d200 box
<archetech>
d2000
<archetech>
who lets a new toy just sit in a box
<stipa>
weirdos
<stipa>
lanefu: are you sure you didn't flash them with openwrt or something like that
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> another man with a good first name says that a lot
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> had to use extension cable to plug in my USB drive to get UEFI image burnt, now it's going extra slow because extension cable is USB2
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lanefu this thing has 2 sodimm slots
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> and the paper claims it can handle 2x 32 GB
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I don't know about this
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> but
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Summit Racing sticker. Man of culture
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hahahahahaha
<archetech>
donya got Rev2 I think
<archetech>
I think ya got Rev2
<stipa>
archetech: you're on the TV
<archetech>
lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> clear the banner noob
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> why do we burn these, actually? last UEFI USB I did I literally just dropped the files onto it and went about my business
<lanefu>
i dunno i just work here
<lanefu>
i hate installers so works for me
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> If I get Armbian working I'll try freecad and kicad and such
<archetech>
ya nico will kick out some reports
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I dunno, those are rough. Mine makes a grindy noise on start
<stipa>
well, i have a notion of it being a soc with some punch
<stipa>
that's heat
<archetech>
nico likes new gear
<archetech>
dont get newer than this
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> shitty air bearing
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> lol the fan
<archetech>
only thing besides this is the rock5 and thats got no solid eta
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hmmmmmmm I think that image I tried is the problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> going to try a different one
<lanefu>
i was using Edge
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> yes
<lanefu>
RC
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I could tell the second the fans shut off on your side 😄
<archetech>
Q2. hope so
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I have to call up the folks and have them send it to my new address
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> since Q2 I'll def be there
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> my Ryzen with fans all the way up is about 1/2 as loud as that Phytium box
<archetech>
loud = audible from 3 feet aaway
* archetech
gear is quiet or it gets a fanmate
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I'll examine other options for these fans, because the CPU one especially doesn't actually seem to move much air
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> and nothing exhausts to the outside of the box
<archetech>
hmm. not good Tony
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> agreed
<archetech>
are ya runnin hot or is it the fan s got an issue
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> it got pretty hot on me
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> but the fans are always on
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> no pwm in use
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> annoying
<archetech>
gues you two will have to compare notes on that
<stipa>
wee need ion fans
<stipa>
ion wind*
<stipa>
air purifying gratis
<stipa>
no one mad anything useful by now but the idea is there
<stipa>
made *
<archetech>
hows the htop look
<archetech>
core dump!
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> hahahaha you had to say it
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> YOU HAD TO SAY IT
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> SSH into it to see if you can get anything
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> possible. SSH in and see if it yells when it dies next time
<archetech>
well overall I'd say ya got a good capable arm workstation. well above any sbc
<archetech>
that being the whole point of it I suppose
<archetech>
sndintel is on the vcard
<archetech>
yup. good idea
<archetech>
ya. lets get the score at the end
<archetech>
my n2 gets ~1500. on wayland glmark2-egl
<archetech>
which is dang good for g52 on panfrost
<lanefu>
With --off-screen flag?
<archetech>
I expect ya get min double/trip that
<archetech>
no 1500 on=screen
<lanefu>
Lost her again
<lanefu>
So close
<stipa>
-- jebi ga
<ArmbianHelper>
fuck it [hr~>eng]
<archetech>
ya ty lane
<lanefu>
yw
<lanefu>
thanks for the nudge to get it out
<lanefu>
(the comuter)
<lanefu>
computer
<lanefu>
lol
<stipa>
yw man
<archetech>
he took it out?
<archetech>
seinfeld
<archetech>
it...out
<lanefu>
Lol
<archetech>
arm is still a tech infant even after 10+ yrs but its fun hobby
<archetech>
new stuff is slow to come out.
<stipa>
it's not completely useless
<stipa>
but still, there's bunch of capable hardware thrown away or recycled
<stipa>
hardware in phones is nuts
<stipa>
but you're forced to run crap on it
<IgorPec>
archetech: all mobile phones runs arm chips and most of IOT. its far from hobby in this regard ... if you look on a bunch of low cost sbc / tv boxes in a combination with pure linux, that's another story
<archetech>
IgorPec ARMBIya that latter story
<archetech>
IgorPec ya that latter story
<archetech>
if sbc's had the attn that phones get ha. be nice
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<schwarz_Kat>
IgorPec: I've replied to your PM on the forum. With a couple of questions.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> @lanefu thanks for streaming that Dragonbox unboxing 😉 I missed live but watched now. very informative. I will prepare some alternative test images for you
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Yeah it was kinda fun
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Still awesome the Armbian images worked out of the box with edge kernel
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> somewhat worked, goes pfff if GPU 3d driven if I understand?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> also the UEFI looks exactly like Tianocore (Logs look exactly like OVMF). Wonder where it is stored, and if they make updates for it?
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> let me know your preferred desktop poison (cinammon?) and I'll provide a couple test images. establish baseline with ddk (Ubuntu kernel, Ubuntu firmware) and work from there
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> there's kernel patches on Ubuntu's tree we don't have, that might bring some stability
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<lanefu>
Yeah cinnamon seems really good. I'm a mate person. But our build needs love.
<lanefu>
Yeah once pushed GPU hard it crashed
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<Armbian-Discord>
<ptitSeb> On the dragonbox forum, I have notice some people having issue a like that (hard crash when compiling kernel) when the used a Samsung 970 EVO ssd instead of the default one
<lanefu>
re nvme possible nothing.. mos tit was yelling at me about alignmen twhen i was booting from the sdcard
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> TRS-80: I've got the VIM3L from Werner, so promoted to khadas-vim3l maintainer I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I'
<lanefu>
switvching to kernel 5.16 from repo.. ready fire aim
<TRS-80>
@rpardini, OK I will add that to table, editing now. Should I leave rest of these notes (are you still willing if someone send hardware)?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> yep. all meson64 in the end, if missing maintainer, I'd take if I had them. Right now the VIM3 would be very interesting S922X to confront Odroid's N2+
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> a few new names I've never seen before on that maintainer list. are those developers? eg, Technicavolous?
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> cos also non-developers, but UART-enabled people with the boards and patience would help me a lot
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> not all are developers on that list
<TRS-80>
Some I think are not, I was hoping you guys might be able to help them a bit. Yes this is something like I was envisioning, just a little help.
<TRS-80>
I am also encouraging people to hang around forums, IRC, and whatever else to lower burden in any way possible,
<TRS-80>
I guess they will be like a front line troops, which we also need.
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I've been thinking about a doing a general onboarding session "soon", get people building correctly and sending PRs, best way they learn
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> but from what I've seen more basic stuff like general git usage might be in order too
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> ok, first we need to release a release 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> trs-80 how much work is needed on a text?
<lanefu>
boot jammy 5.16 again from RC image
<lanefu>
*booting
<TRS-80>
@IgorPec I came here to work on that today in fact, I dunno as I did not look yet, so far catching up on forums and updating Board Maintainer list, but I can re-prioritize if needed. Although almost done anyway.
<TRS-80>
@IgorPec Sorry man I was busy with other things last couple days and did not work on release announcement at all yet. But it is my priority today.
* TRS-80
got a lot of other things done while he was supposed to be doing that
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i will try to make another RC today, then ... a release
<lanefu>
@rpardini yeah NIC didnt show up with other kernels either
<lanefu>
given my track record with usb 3 nics.... gonna kinda be a show stopper in server country unless i swap video card out for NICs lol
<lanefu>
i do think temps are better with lid off
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> ok no sign of it in lspci and such?
<lanefu>
@IgorPec Sorry man I was busy with other things last couple days and did not work on release announcement at all yet. But it is my priority today. 64:Desktop:% sudo lspci
<lanefu>
00:00.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc16
<lanefu>
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc08
<lanefu>
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc01
<lanefu>
00:03.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc16
<lanefu>
00:04.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc08
<lanefu>
00:05.0 PCI bridge: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Device dc01
<lanefu>
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Lexa PRO [Radeon 540/540X/550/550X / RX 540X/550/550X] (rev c7)
<lanefu>
06:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03)
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> onboard NIC does not even show up. but UEFI firmware might be hiding it
<lanefu>
rpardini there were 2 settings for neable gmac0 adn enable gmac1
<lanefu>
that were off, but i turned htem on
<lanefu>
glmark2 Score: 5247 kenrnel 5.16.9
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> perhaps on means off 😉
<lanefu>
lol
<lanefu>
im gonna blame the firmware
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> gotta be something really wrong with it with their going to such lengths and shipping usb3 network alternative...
<lanefu>
ROFL they sent a usb 2.0 NIC
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<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> well damn, that onboard then becomes important. hope it's not a pcb misfire
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> wondering about venc and vdec on the amdgpu, 3x 1080p h265 vencs might bring the coil whine
<lanefu>
i can't even spell venc
<lanefu>
yolo gonna dd image onto nvme now
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> soon enough you will be swapping nvmes like we do SD's
* TRS-80
holds lanefu's beer
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> I dd to NVME directly from build machine then swap
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> also, RTL9210 works really well with decent powered USB host
<TRS-80>
OK guise what is boardconf name (precicely) for
<TRS-80>
oops
<TRS-80>
OrangePi R1 plus LTS
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> naming not ok?
<TRS-80>
I just want to be sure, as I am adding new to Board Maintainers table and have no idea about such things
<lanefu>
has our PBP maintainer been around
<lanefu>
i heard PBP image is broke
<TRS-80>
just as is, lower case, and remove spaces?
<TRS-80>
yeah I just made point in a forum post that just because someone put their name on a list does not mean necessarily that all is rainbows and unicorns all of a sudden
<TRS-80>
I am almost positive I will be ordering a PBP next production run
<lanefu>
im curious why `xz -d --threads=0` is decompressing my armbian image single threaded :P
<TRS-80>
so I can maybe secondary at that point, but we are months away from that still
<TRS-80>
@rpardini Thanks, I knew they were somewhere
<lanefu>
TRS-80: is a good device for sure
* TRS-80
wasn't sure we had one for this board yet
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, we have it . i said katz to make a Pr to that list
<TRS-80>
lanefu: You were one who got me on to PBP (and PINE64 in general), LOL
<TRS-80>
in first place, so blame lanefu
<TRS-80>
:)
<lanefu>
I blame archetech
<lanefu>
he came in bitching about some junk rock64
<lanefu>
i never had a pine product prior
<TRS-80>
in fact I will add a link to there from Board Maintainer page, along with cleaning up some awkward wording at top
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> armbian-next is already exporting all board family etc info from those files too, so generating markdown docs from it seems like a logical future step
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> I like the way you think
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Lanefu get this guy a beer
<lanefu>
I'm giving him all the beer i can find
<lanefu>
also @rpardini woohoo my usb 3 nic is doing 9xx mbit on iperf3
<TRS-80>
@rpardini could you sugest somewhere I could look to learn more about that?
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> Nice. At least USB works. 😉
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> so atleast that Renesas is working
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> There is a CPLD on the board that I don't know the purpose of
<lanefu>
what's that
<lanefu>
is that what phones home to xi
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> hahaha
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> A programmable logic device
<lanefu>
i could use some logic
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> And while really unlikely, anything is possible. 😉
<lanefu>
if you look in the bios it has some shit for console redirect etc
<lanefu>
so maybe some magic there
<TRS-80>
personally I am only worried about phoning home to the draconian regime which has physical dominion over me
<Armbian-Discord>
<rpardini> also in /sys/firmware/efi/vars you can find secrets
<lanefu>
IgorPec: is your home internet saturated? or is it just transatlantic traffic makign things slow to imola
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> it is saturated
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> should be better now
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<lanefu>
TRS-80: fair concern
<lanefu>
with all this ubuntu jammy BS i'm actually really looking forward to a debian sid desktop
<lanefu>
maybe not i dunno
<lanefu>
#changeishard
<lanefu>
#changekeepsmeemployed
<TRS-80>
I, too, earn my living from unsistainable systems
<TRS-80>
s/unsistainable/unsustainable/
<ArmbianHelper>
TRS-80 meant to say: I, too, earn my living from unsustainable systems
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<lanefu>
alright time to put human suit on
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tonymac32> What is this human you speak of? Confused squint from blue/gray soulless eyes
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<TRS-80>
I have just started a serious edit of the Release Announcement. I am going to begin by hacking away about 75% or it, so I copied the thing en toto to a new document before doing that.
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Thank you
<TRS-80>
actually I copied it into a real editor at the moment, as much as I love your docs site :)
* TRS-80
feels like he can crack open a cold one now :D
<IgorPec>
go for it! :)
<TRS-80>
I feel like I am still whining a bit in User Relationship section, but don't know how else to put it
<TRS-80>
YOU ARE DUMB. THE END
<IgorPec>
LOL
<IgorPec>
let me do some touches
<IgorPec>
"We also have a new forum Moderator, Myron. I am sure I am forgetting some people, and apologies for not mentioning everyone specifically by name."
<IgorPec>
i would cut this out since otherwise we need to name all
<TRS-80>
yeah I was kind of wondering about that, too
<IgorPec>
removed
<TRS-80>
I mean, go ahead, I posted it back publicly. Or I can. I did all heavy editing locally, now just need to tweak I think.
<TRS-80>
I tried to weave together all the disjointed rambling into some sort of cohesive narrative.
<TRS-80>
While still making the important points.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, that's good path
* TRS-80
goes to make a freshie
<Herc>
nice work, TRS-80
<Herc>
AR-1048 Rpi kernel image is not updated on upgrade <-- also not upgraded on paspiOS, there you need to do a dist-upgrade (and reboot)
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-1048 [Bug] "Rpi kernel image is not updated on upgrade" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2022-01-13. Status: To Do
<TRS-80>
Herc: Thanks. I fancy myself a bit of a writer / editor.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> is there any better word for "aforementioned"
<TRS-80>
get off my lawn
<TRS-80>
:)
<TRS-80>
I like aforementioned, but I also use Emacs and think modernity is cancer, so... ? :)
<TRS-80>
previously mentioned would be more pedestrian I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> probably better.
<TRS-80>
It can still be polished, trimmed down.
<TRS-80>
I cut out a lot, then added a lot back in. lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we are getting there. its already good that its not just my perspective
<TRS-80>
I hope you feel better getting that all out though lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> "Perhaps the ‘800 pound gorilla’ in the room, is our relationship with hardware vendors."
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> this seems a bit complicated to understand
<TRS-80>
I was thinking maybe too US centric phrase
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes
<TRS-80>
Well, I am drinking now. You go ahead and hack up my beautiful masterpiece as you see fit, boss. :D
<TRS-80>
The Missus started drinking these margeritas last night, but I did not feel like I deserved to join her yet. Now I do. :)
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i think i won't change much. its just few things here and there
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> go get your margeritas 😉 i probably won't join tonight, perhaps tomorrow
<TRS-80>
Jokes aside, I still don't know how we can communicate certain things to users, without calling them idiot, essentially.
<TRS-80>
because that's a really effective communication strategy
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> for that you need a communication agency. to develop and communicate via separate channels same story in different package
<TRS-80>
oh I am almost done with first one already, way ahead of you :)
<TRS-80>
Yeah well no budget for that but we do need to think about, and do long term 'messaging' as much as I hate the term
<TRS-80>
truth doesn't even matter (not that the truth is not on our side here) only repeading things ad nauseum, unfortunately
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> for long term messaging it might be good to have a person to deal with this
<TRS-80>
Ad Nauseum, my new marketing agency, what do you think? lol
<Armbian-Discord>
<NicoD> All a happy release day wished!
<TRS-80>
@IgorPec I mean, I have no professional background, but as long as I have time I can continue to take this role here and there over the long term. I already do it in my free time on outside forums like PINE64 and elsewhere anyway.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i have some background in marketing comm, enough to understand what is needed
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> but not to run this operation
<TRS-80>
my experienced is based in putting my own foot in my mouth, by now I know what *not* to say (mostly) lol
<tonymac32>
TRS-80 has a thing for feet
<TRS-80>
tonymac32: projection
<tonymac32>
O_o
<TRS-80>
:p
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> lol
* tonymac32
apparently needs to get a beefier PSU for the Phytium
<TRS-80>
but again, jokes aside, I was just complimenting SXMO guys on making efforts to present at conferences, etc. as otherwise I would not have known about their project
<TRS-80>
I do think we need sustained long term efforts in these community building and marketing areas, for long term health of hte project
<TRS-80>
as much as I hate to say it
<TRS-80>
plus maybe we bump into some hardware vendors and work some things out over beers
<TRS-80>
one can dream I guess
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> hardware is dirt cheap, selling it is a bit more problematic
<TRS-80>
yes but this is indusstry wide, not only Armbian problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes ofc
<TRS-80>
you are not wrong but what can we do
<TRS-80>
just keep raising awareness I suppose
<tonymac32>
need industrial branch
<TRS-80>
You guys should maybe form company, I don't see how you could do worse than some of other offerings honestly
<tonymac32>
i.mx, etc. But those are usually a bit better vendor handled due to being "professionals"
* TRS-80
goes for a refill
<tonymac32>
oof, 60W PSU supplied, SoC can use 25 alone
<TRS-80>
I need to make a forum post about DIN rail power supply, and some other things, maybe I do that now
<tonymac32>
that radeon is likely thirstier than the SoC
<TRS-80>
Should we say something about grant we got for armbian-config? Are we still looking for people here?
<TRS-80>
I mean, I guess those are 2 separate questions.
<TRS-80>
Oh totally unrelated, apparently we now get an IRC bouncer along with our sr.ht account. Not that I necessarily want to be on here every waking hour. lol
<TRS-80>
bottom line is you are on their plantaion
<TRS-80>
don't act like you weren't seriously considering it
<TRS-80>
lol
<tonymac32>
I don't care if discordians can use the server or not
* TRS-80
wonders which meaning of Discordian you mean here
* tonymac32
is not allowed to run things because he isn't nice
<TRS-80>
democracy is a meme
<TRS-80>
benevolent dictatorship is where it's at
<tonymac32>
for it to remain benevolent requires it to be in fear of it's subjects :)
<TRS-80>
no, that only applies to sociopaths (i.e., 'mainstream' governments and corps)
<TRS-80>
I meant like Igor
<TRS-80>
:)
<TRS-80>
or Linus Torvalds, etc.
<tonymac32>
benevolence is not human nature, it's taught
<TRS-80>
well yes it is enlightened, I am not sure taught or what but yeah definitely not the norm in human nature
<tonymac32>
lanefu is there some reference page for links to things about this phytium box? Or am I going to have to get dirty?
<TRS-80>
tonymac32: You have one in your hands too?
<tonymac32>
indeed
<TRS-80>
well, see, actually doing stuff has it's perks
<tonymac32>
I almost got as honeycomb a while back but it was as much money as the motherboard + CPU for a Ryzen 7 ...
<TRS-80>
x86 is dead to me, do let us know how you get on
* TRS-80
is excited about the contact management software he is working on
<TRS-80>
I finally gave up on CardDAV and vCard, I need to write a blog about that
* tonymac32
is horribly pessimistic about ARM ever unseating x86 on desktops IRL. Mac corner cases being a fluke of release timing IMHO
<tonymac32>
gave up on those?
<tonymac32>
you should definitely expand on that
<TRS-80>
hera and now or in a blog
<TRS-80>
?
<TRS-80>
lol
<tonymac32>
rofl dealer's choice
* TRS-80
needs to make a blog, too
<TRS-80>
I am getting close to 'blog' after some years of looking into it
<TRS-80>
because, you know, only standards compliant plain HTML will do...
* TRS-80
rolls eyes at himself
<tonymac32>
:)
<TRS-80>
Well, after trying for years (with some success) to self host CardDAV server, I finally realized that 2 way sync with Android should not be the goal. Since I have a PinePhone now, I can use plain text files.
<TRS-80>
But the fact that, in #current_year, we stil do not have good, simple, reliable, and cross-platform sync of contacts and calendar info, simply boggles my mind
<tonymac32>
people took up using the goog as the bridge
<TRS-80>
yeah I guess that is the short answer
<tonymac32>
which is not a good answer :)
<TRS-80>
But, ostensibly at least, CardDAV is an IETF standard. In reality, not so much (unfortunately) as outlined in above article.
<TRS-80>
quite telling was link at bottom of posted article to IETF mailing list where they allow for vendor extensions to vCard standars. Well, I agree with author, that's no standard at all.
<TRS-80>
anyway, working title is org-contacts-pedantic, what do you think? lol
<TRS-80>
I may be peaking Ballmer curve, was going to do another PR but maybe not
<TRS-80>
tonymac32: what sort of aspiring kernel dev ARE you?!
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> @Tonymac32 that's 71 watts on the kil-a-watt
<TRS-80>
lanefu: The Missus told me I look like Big Buck Bunny
<tonymac32>
lanefu yeah, figured
<TRS-80>
:/
<tonymac32>
TRS-80 th politics of submitting kernel patches is why I never have
<tonymac32>
95% effort is in formatting, emailing, and not hurting feelings
<tonymac32>
I read the mailing lists all the time and just, sheeeessshhh
<TRS-80>
GKH gave a really good talk at some point, I think it was called 'formatting matters'
<TRS-80>
I could try and dig it up if you care
<tonymac32>
I don't disagree with that
<TRS-80>
but think about it, the scale...
<TRS-80>
it would be total chaos
<tonymac32>
but, the problem isn't the formatting, it's relearning literally everything to conform to a standard only to add an extra " " somewhere and get dunked on for it
<TRS-80>
there are 1000s of contributors to the kernel, it's really mind boggling
<tonymac32>
and the " " wasn't even you, it was a tool
<tonymac32>
and the submission system is inherently centralized
<TRS-80>
as long as there is NNTP, gmane, public inbox, and lore.kernel, those things are not buried, in fact they are searchable in plain text on your local machine
<tonymac32>
correct, and I can find individual grains of gold in my yard, too, if I search hard enough
<TRS-80>
my understanding is there are so many sub-systems, that Linus has a lot of lieutennants, etc...
<tonymac32>
but it's a personal gripe, no need to debate really
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Where is there nntp that isn't full of bad things
<TRS-80>
@lanefu gmane
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<TRS-80>
full arcives of mailing lists going way back
<TRS-80>
I don't talk about Fight Club to just anyone you know
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Then you can find me on alt.rec.auto.chevy.4x4
<TRS-80>
touche, fren :)
* TRS-80
goes for another freshie
<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> Well from the before times
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<Armbian-Discord>
<lanefu> And alt.rec.autos.vw.aircooled
<TRS-80>
NNTP is probably more a transport/archive mechanism for F/LOSS mailing lists at this point, certainly not what it used to be.
<TRS-80>
t. Gnus user
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<TRS-80>
tonymac32: In truth, all those formatting issues are only a problem in 'modern' (read: shitty) editors which don't follow standards. You don't even need to git-format-email if you send from a proper editor.
<c0rnelius>
Must have been a real cringe worthy moment when you wrote all that Raspberry Pi shit down.
<c0rnelius>
Well I know you don't have a lot of love for the RPIF. So... Yeah all that pi support in the PIG release.
<TRS-80>
c0rnelius: are you referring to that one little bullet point in current Release Announcement
<TRS-80>
lol yeah
<c0rnelius>
I thought of you just waiting to explode when I read that.
<c0rnelius>
and yeah probs elephant would be better than gorilla
<TRS-80>
I should really make a forum post about that A. Rosenzwyg (sp?) presentation I saw recently. It really did start to change my mind about Broadcom.
<TRS-80>
Pretty sure Igor change that already. You are welcome to polish it up as well, it can always use more.
<c0rnelius>
I'm sure he has it under control
<TRS-80>
c0rnelius: For all your gruffness, often your feedback is actually valuable
<c0rnelius>
Never been called gruff before. I like it :)