06:07 <FuckYouNetworkin> armbian fucking sucks

06:08 <FuckYouNetworkin> it's so fucking bad

06:08 <FuckYouNetworkin> raspbian > armbian

06:08 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we want to make it worse, so plan is working 😉

08:15 <Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> Niceeee, this feedback is sooo good 😋

08:21 <Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> I dont think anonymity its a good value on certain things, like for example, comment sections, like/dislikes. It's really easy to spread trash just as good as his life.

08:21 <Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> This moron, we should have his name and email at least.

08:23 <Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> So we can send our regards... or just put a gun on his head 😋

08:31 <IgorPec> ah, don't bother

08:32 <IgorPec> frustration is normal thing in software development

08:32 <IgorPec> we can't make everyone happy

08:53 <ordex> he got k-lined :D

14:44 <lanefu> yeah sorry that was directed at me

14:45 <IgorPec> raspbian?

14:45 <lanefu> was a i guess no-former friend from #lowendtalk

14:45 <lanefu> *now-former

14:46 <lanefu> yeah

14:46 <lanefu> anyway I'll keep an eye out for DDoS now i guess

14:46 <IgorPec> hehe, why?

14:47 <lanefu> he tends to get upset and lash out

15:00 <lanefu> hmm

15:01 <IgorPec> were you ddosed ? :)

15:21 <lanefu> lol i don't think so.. dont have hte data

15:22 <lanefu> traffic is low so probably coincidence with my dumb pineh64

15:22 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> DDoS : "The installing of MSDOS on all prodoctive computers to make them a lot less productive."?

15:24 <lanefu> there's some irony there you arent aware of lol

15:26 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> I do know what DDoS is. Just a joke.

15:27 <lanefu> no he but he likes playing iwth legacy OS's lol

15:27 <lanefu> that's the irony lol

15:28 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Oh, that's really a legacy OS 🙂

15:28 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Lol Lanefu #makingfriends

15:33 <lanefu> #believinginpeople

16:03 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Hard real time, no compromises

16:04 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Direct hardware access. Needs an Arduino core written for it, and a 386 based board 🤣

16:10 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Still a lot of devices use dos. I know of hotel/restaurant order systems using it. And lots of old factory machines of course. And some are even connected to internet. Very safe 🤔

16:11 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> At some point it becomes so obsolete it's safe?

16:18 <lanefu> freedos has been under development logner than MSDOS i belive

16:18 <Nickli> what is it free from?

16:19 <lanefu> M$

16:19 <Nickli> "The FreeDOS project began on 29 June 1994, after Microsoft announced it would no longer sell or support MS-DOS."

16:20 <Nickli> oh wait, longer not before

16:26 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yep

16:26 <Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I used DR-DOS for a while

16:40 <Nickli> i guess you could use ventoy to boot different OSs like freedos, haiku and your distro of choice

16:57 <key2> hi\

17:03 <key2> I want to build an armbian with kernel 4.9, what is the way to go ?

17:34 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Use and x86 machine with an up to date ubuntu (Jammy or Hirsute) either bare metal or in virtual machine. Download the script and start it with sudo ./compile.sh For more options you can use sudo ./compile.sh EXPERT=yes But you probably don't need that. Depends on what board you want to build for. https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Preparation/

18:08 <key2> thx, but ti doesn ´t tell me how to select the kernel :)

18:08 <key2> or I am missing something

18:14 <Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> It does. You will get a selection screen where you can choose what kernel you want, what board to build for, what desktop or a server image, ....

18:32 <IgorPec> key2: which hw?

18:34 <key2> either nanopi duo 2

18:34 <key2> or nanopiair

18:34 <key2> but I do not see any kernel selection in any of those 2 cases

18:34 <key2> in one of them it asks me if I want legacy

18:34 <key2> which brings me to a 5.4

18:34 <key2> instead of 5.10

18:34 <IgorPec> yes, that's it, 5.4, 5.10 or 5.15

18:34 <IgorPec> legacy, current, edge

18:35 <key2> so how could I get a 4.9?

18:35 <IgorPec> we never had 4.9 afaik

18:35 <key2> I see 4.19 on the archive site https://armbian.hosthatch.com/archive/nanopiduo2/archive/

18:36 <IgorPec> why would you want to build something with this very old kernel?

18:36 <key2> because I want to get nexmon running

18:37 <key2> on a wifi chip, but it has only patch for specific kernel version

18:37 <IgorPec> well, you will be few weeks faster if you choose to adjust patch

18:37 <key2> and if not I would have to port their kernel patch (which is not just 3 lines)

18:38 <IgorPec> better then dealing with kernel 4.9 on your own

18:38 <IgorPec> where many other troubles will jump up

18:39 <key2> it's all experiemental anyway

18:39 <IgorPec> yes. just trying to help. i will not do anything instead of you ;)

18:39 <key2> not expected :)

18:40 <key2> but I was wondering if there was a simple way to ask armbian to go get another kernel

18:40 <IgorPec> nope, not a simple way

18:40 <key2> when it's not in the menuconfig options :)

18:40 <key2> ok

18:40 <IgorPec> simple is what is in the menu

18:40 <key2> I see

18:40 <IgorPec> the rest is DIY

18:40 <IgorPec> its possible to use framework, but its some work and we have no pesonell to assist in something like this

18:41 <key2> ok

18:41 <IgorPec> can't say what is better ... imo porting patch to 5.10.y

18:41 <key2> I think I will try to port the patch then

18:41 <IgorPec> or even 5.15.y since its next LTS

18:46 <key2> so how do I even get 5.15 on nanopi duo 2 ?

18:51 <[TheBug]> use dev kernel if available in armbian-config or build it if available in build system

19:19 <IgorPec> build with EXPERT="yes"

19:19 <IgorPec> and select EDGE

21:21 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> IgorPec: wait, is 5.15.y LTS?

21:24 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> funny, yes, it's LTS at https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html but not at the home page. I was hoping 5.16. oh well.

21:26 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> damn. yeah. 5.15.y is the current stable but also longtem.

21:30 <IgorPec> yep

21:31 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> this fact has somehow escaped me for 2 months now, and I miscalculated half my life because of it. wtf. I

21:34 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> hmm. Jammy has a 5.13 default kernel still (same as Impish). Bet they'll bump to 5.15 before release?

21:36 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> bookworm is on 5.15.y default already.

21:38 <IgorPec> not sure if they will bump

21:43 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> I really messed up and missed it completely. I guess meson64 will lag a release on 5.10 unless someone not-me reworks edge. 5.10 current is somewhat stable on n2/hc4 master but unreleased. what a mess.

21:50 <IgorPec> we can hold up, so not a problem

21:50 <IgorPec> best effort

22:00 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> deal. thanks. I will do better next cycle...