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<nescius> armbian-config_21.08.6_all.deb Certificate verification failed: The certificate is NOT trusted. The certificate chain uses expired certificate. Could not handshake: Error in the certificate verification.
<nescius> do you know about this?
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<IgorPec> nescius: apt install ca-certificates then try again
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<stipa> dang, the tornados in the US demolished CONCRETE buildings, i thought that's just aluminum roofs around...
<stipa> that's unreal
<lanefu> yeah they can fuck shit up
<stipa> i can't really wrap my head around it
<lanefu> take a hurricane and compression down to a 10th the size
<lanefu> but keep its strength
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Under a 10th typically
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 4km wide is about as big as ever seen on a tornado
<lanefu> was doing napkin math w/o napkin
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😆
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> They're pretty much a train made of TNT spinning in circles like a top
<lanefu> haha yeah
<lanefu> they're so insanely granular too
<stipa> that's a shitload of energy in such a small footprint
<lanefu> my buddy's dad in Bowling Green was fine, adn his neighbor's house was blown to shred
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> We have a warning system up here that gets tested once a month, there was an entire town north of mine "back in the day" that was just plain erased from existence
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Small town to be sure, but they didn't even bother rebuilding
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Those are rare up here though, I don't live in any kind of fear
<lanefu> yeah i grew up in tornado alley. they tested our sirens every friday
<lanefu> at noon
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Haha once a week is srs bsns
<stipa> i see there is no photos from outer space
<stipa> i guess they're not easily detectable with satelittes
<stipa> due to their small size
<stipa> that could explain why people couldn't hide
<lanefu> yeah nighttime makes it harder, observe, alert etc
<lanefu> frankly the warning tech is 1000 times better than it was when i was a kid
<lanefu> it used to be visual sitings and 2 min warnings
<lanefu> now the radar is really really good
<lanefu> so you can get 20 or 30 min heads up of possible paths
<stipa> that's fine as long as people don't create road panic
<stipa> i guess keeping calm is what is thought in those areas
<stipa> taught*
<lanefu> haha yeah you don't drive away from a tornado like a hurricane
<stipa> i've noticed the guys from the US keep it cool all the time
<lanefu> you park under a bridge, or get out of yoru car and get in a ditch
<stipa> wow
<stipa> yeah, i've seen in movies those pits underground in yards
<stipa> back yard
<sjg1> Hi, does anyone have docs on where armbian places U-Boot SPL and U-Boot on the SD card for Orange Pi PC?
<stipa> when stuff pass their way they come out and there's no neighbourhood anymore
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<stipa> here in zagreb if rain falls it's chaos on roads
<stipa> and panic
<stipa> like a war zone
<stipa> if you make a wrong turn or something everyone wants to kill you
<stipa> in Slovenia it's even worse
<IgorPec> slovene drivers are like english drivers ;) LOL
<IgorPec> always patient and polite
<stipa> yeah
<stipa> it's even worse if you have registration car plates that are not slovenian
<IgorPec> i don't go downtown with a car almost never, except for weekends
<IgorPec> when its empty
<stipa> yeah, Mariboro is famous town
<stipa> Maribor*
<stipa> i was there few times, driving, it's like people want to push you out of the road
<stipa> like you're not there
<sjg1> (off topic I know :-)
<sjg1> Another question...if I try to press a key to interrupt 'Autoboot in 1 seconds' the board just hangs
<stipa> sjg1: can you see the boot process?
<stipa> there's that u-boot console you can enter before loading the os
<stipa> sjg1: is there anythign about that on the forum?
<sjg1> stipa: Well there are 78 pages of matches. I couldn't find anything with a search engine
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<sjg1> I really just want to know how it actually works
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<stipa> i guess u-boot is open source
<stipa> and sunxi image is too
<stipa> sunxi source*
<sjg1> This page shows how to write to an SD card normally:
<sjg1> I'm just not sure what the Armbian image consists of
<sjg1> Re the hang, I wonder if having the FEL cable could cause that?
<stipa> FEL cable?
<[TheBug]> The hang is you have no bootable devices
<[TheBug]> Loading Environment from FAT... Unable to use mmc 0:1...
<sjg1> Hmm but if I *don't* press a key, it boots fine
<[TheBug]> whatever on sdcard either not written correctly, corrupt or the wrong image
<[TheBug]> then dont press a key?
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> not sure what your troubleshooting then
<stipa> sjg1: why do you need to press a key?
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<sjg1> To interrupt the boot and get the U-Boot command line
<stipa> seems like it doesn't want to go into uboot console for you and hangs on Autoboot instead?
<sjg1> Yes that was where I was looking, but I need docs on how the image is set up on the SD card
<sjg1> Yes, I'll try using FEL with mainline U-Boot and see if that helps me figure it out
<sjg1> OK, with FEL I can get my U-Boot running OK and booting Armbian, so I'll go with that for now
<sjg1> Another question, it seems that Armbian avoid using UEFI protocols, is that right?
<sjg1> It seems to use U-Boot scripts to boot a kernel
<stipa> yeah, u-boot loads kernel
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<IgorPec> sjg1: armbian uses many different protocols for loading kernel. so far nobody change for sunxi since there is not apparent reason this is needed
<IgorPec> following the principle - don't break it, if it works
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<lanefu> that recovery doc is pretty specific
<lanefu> unfortunately
<c0rnelius> You guys have boot.scr shit in ur pi builds.
<IgorPec> why?
<IgorPec> i don't think so
<c0rnelius> I don't know, I didn't make the img
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<c0rnelius> like the fat partition is mounted I believe under /boot/firmware. Which is a Ubuntu style way of doing it. Then you have stuff all in /boot.
<c0rnelius> Which is pointless. Should just all be moved to boot and get rid of the firmware directory.
<IgorPec> i don't know, did't do this nor tested
<c0rnelius> The partition naming is odd too. So boot is called `rpicfg` and the rootfs named `armbian` if I recall correctly?
<lanefu> PR's welcome
<sjg1> IgorPec: That's fine, I have been working on a 'standard boot' thing for U-Boot to replace the distro scripts
<sjg1> Anyway I got it booting the kernel OK with the scripts. The kernel crashed with mainline U-Boot though...maybe I need to look at the Armbian U-Boot patches you have, at some point
<stipa> c0rnelius: show them how it's done
<IgorPec> to who?
<IgorPec> there is nobody who will integrate anything.
<IgorPec> pull requests exists for this reason.
<c0rnelius> I saw the PR its mixed in with all kinds of other shit for some reason.
<IgorPec> yes. adding Rpi was a sidejob.
<c0rnelius> Some of it I don't even get what it is. What is flash-kernel? And would you need it?
<c0rnelius> why would*
<c0rnelius> Is Armbian building the kernel currently or pulling and installing from the Ubuntu repo?
<c0rnelius> would appear to be ur just pulling in: export FK__EXTRA_PACKAGES="rpi-eeprom linux-firmware linux-firmware-raspi2 libraspberrypi-bin cloud-initramfs-growroot"
<c0rnelius> This is why the mount points are set the way they are. Its pretty much Ubuntu.
<c0rnelius> Could avoid this package and just add the growpart script? cloud-initramfs-growroot
<c0rnelius> Unless there is another reason someone would want that package?
<c0rnelius> This would need to be completely changed if you wanna support more than Ubuntu. I thinks.
<c0rnelius> If I find the time I'll play with it. You guys might not like my suggestions though :)
<c0rnelius> rneese or someone with his same handle asked me to make a test image for a pi 400 sometime ago for a school in TX he was doing some work for. I used Bullseye as the base though... Ubuntu I usually blacklist all of the PI stuff because its usually outdated and boot firmware gets updated every time the kernel does `usually` so its best when building kernels to pull in the latest boot bins with each
<c0rnelius> kernel build. On top of that Ubuntu uses outdated userland, last time I checked?
<c0rnelius> As for the eeprom lord only knows?
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<IgorPec> c0rnelius: its not about liking suggestions or not. AFAIK we don't have Rpi maintainer yet
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<lanefu> IgorPec: you posted when c0rnelius was off channel
<nescius> IgorPec: hvala!
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> he'll be back 😉
<nescius> IgorPec: your entries about various boards convinced me to give armbian a try, and it works quite well, did you have time to take a look at and maybe set up an account there so i can setup some recurring donations to the project?
<c0rnelius> Power went out
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec>
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<nescius> oh, i am ..blind
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are so many of those things
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<c0rnelius> lanefu: So I obviously missed something and he doesn't care. What was it?
<stipa> │20:49:37 IgorPec | c0rnelius: its not about liking suggestions or not. AFAIK we don't have Rpi maintainer yet
<c0rnelius> Well most here have made it pretty apparent that they could careless if its supported or not.
<lanefu> what's that supposed to mean?
<c0rnelius> I'm not sure what Armbian would `really` be adding to the game. So far of my review the PR ur just dragging in Ubuntu mess. Why not just run a Ubuntu IMG then?
<c0rnelius> Don't get me wrong I understand all the boards ur supporting and the contributions you make on that front. But here it just seems a bit... half ass'd and why not?
<c0rnelius> Like not serious
<c0rnelius> After closer review there is no real `substance` to what he is saying here. Thats not to say the img runs poorly, but... Why would it after close review? It basically Ubuntu.
<c0rnelius> His audio problems are really because he didn't investigate
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> It depends on the context. We can say all distros are the same, just wallpaper and their fans are different
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Well, there's been a lot of noise about supporting these things, so at least having a "well it boots" is a way to open the door for someone who's actually interested
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> And if no one is actually interested, it dies
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> exactly. we are totally fine with that. if someone wants to improve it, PR are welcome, if not ... its good enough
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i think we have EDGE version with our kernel, current is ubuntu
<c0rnelius> Its not a matter of interest for me. I am interested. Its a matter of doing it correctly.
<Armbian-Discord> <N​icoD> Sound does work on the Nightly images. It didn't on (all) the rpardini images. I've no clue why and how. Only issue I saw with the nightly was a bug what makes it impossible to log back into the desktop once it went to black display and log out. I just disabled automatic screen blanking. Also no GPU acceleration with the nightly vs rpardini. I tried with adding the oibaf repo. But that didn't make any difference.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> Suicide is doing it correctly?
<c0rnelius> Those depends Ubuntu is pulling in won't be there for say Debian or even Devuan. These would need to be supported on Armbians end and my suggestion would be that they would need to be built. The debs... Blacklisting in Ubuntu, Debian and whom ever else.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> cheap junk is getting on a market "every day", Armbian/FOSS volunteers are constant at best.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> a word "need" is non-existing in this context
<c0rnelius> I​gorPec: I already do this
<c0rnelius> What I don't have is resources
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i know what you do.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so we have something in common 😉
<c0rnelius> apparently
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we just have a lot more users which things they can demand attention and abuse our time endlesly
<c0rnelius> I know I read the forum from time to time.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> so we had to change / strengthen a policy in order to survive
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> mentally
<c0rnelius> And to be frank the Pi boards are simples. I would rather play with the other ones, I just don't own them :)
<c0rnelius> And the ones I do own are mostly to keep my lil github projects going. On a testing level.
<c0rnelius> resources
<c0rnelius> Problem with the foundation is their heads are so far up their own asses its hard to make sense of what they do. I find a lot of the other boards are more straight forward and some basic research.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> they don't need you or me
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that's this sad part
<c0rnelius> The foundation?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes
<c0rnelius> Very correct and could careless
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but the same is with all big corporations.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> here this is just masked behind foundation. "to look like they give back"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah as @NeonFetch pointed out, anything they say is just accepted. At this point they could release a MIPS board and it would be proclaimed the greatest thing ever
<c0rnelius> Well ur not wrong. My work with the Pis started as a joke really. I had a few Libre boards and me and Da got into it as I was interested in what they were using as a builder. I then found armstrongs work at Libre and just made it grow from there. Some in the Pi forum around the time got a Pi4 was interested in running Debian on it and I suggested I think I could do that and things just kinda moved
<c0rnelius> forward from that point on. The Pis just gained more interest then the other builder I was messing with.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> ofc, Pi has a lot more users then all others together
<c0rnelius> true
<c0rnelius> The whole goal was really control. I was sick of sudo apt update dictating my kernel, uboot and whatever else upgrades. So for me it was personal. Everyone else who knows? Just because probs?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> well, usually start is personal. mine was as wellk
<c0rnelius> But yeah... Nothing worse then updating ur kernel and wham oh.... bitch don't boot!
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> for similar reasons. i wanted to run debian on my board
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> which proved to not be so simple
<c0rnelius> its a struggle indeed
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> struggle changed over the time 😉
<c0rnelius> You guys are massive though.
<c0rnelius> Its like everyone trying to drop as much shit as possible into it. Its gotta be hard to screen that?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hmm, but we have to keep it under the control.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we clearly got into too much thing, so we have to be more careful
<c0rnelius> Exactly
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its so easy to get overworked, since there is insane lots of tasks which can be done ... but time is very limited
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