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<cloudowind>
wake up osdev
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<the_oz_>
no u
<cloudowind>
are you in australia oz? i thought you were
<the_oz_>
no, my handle has nothing to do with the usual reasons to have this as a handle
<the_oz_>
not aussie, not wizard of oz etc
<the_oz_>
the because names usually must be greater than 3
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<the_oz_>
oz because it was a shortening to 2 of a longer name that a 13 year old would think was cool back when aol ruled the net
<cloudowind>
:)
<cloudowind>
i got mine by doing anology to manowar, i hted manowar
<cloudowind>
man of war , cloud of wind cloudowind
<the_oz_>
cloud'o'wind guvnah innit
<cloudowind>
thanks for teaching me a word
<the_oz_>
wuzzat
<cloudowind>
i have another nck called timer but i am letting the python program thative written which brings chatgpt here into irc by using selenium and irc libraries
<cloudowind>
it basically creates a oort between http and irc
<cloudowind>
i borught him here one day just for a short time to make a show but i think he got banned here
<cloudowind>
i do better shut up now to get banned cloudowind here as well , you have a good one
<the_oz_>
seeya
<kof673>
Ozzie/Flea/Slash - Chrono Trigger that's about aol time ;D
<the_oz_>
nah it's not a reference to anything
<the_oz_>
it's a shortening of an o.. omnipoeaia?
<the_oz_>
sort of
<the_oz_>
I forget the word, but it's also not that but anyway
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<the_oz_>
it's very dumb and I will never reveal it
<the_oz_>
sorry, no sphinx here
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<zid`>
if nobody else is there I think you went on the wrong day
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<MrBonkers>
sortiecat I’m just seeing your message now, but yeah the Managarm crew has a bunch of people at FOSDEM, me included. We just finished giving a talk in the microkernel devroom
<sortiecat>
I watched it
<sortiecat>
I'm still here in the room
<MrBonkers>
Nice. So are we (back of the room, on the right)
<sortiecat>
Let's say hi when the presentations are done? I'm in yellow with the flame hat
<MrBonkers>
Spotted! Sure thing
<MrBonkers>
i believe we’re leaving after this one tho
<sortiecat>
I wanna say hi to the managarm and redox people hehe
<MrBonkers>
I can arrange half of that :)
<sortiecat>
But yeah I can pop out in the hallway now
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<MrBonkers>
Absolutely sortiecat! Maybe see you tomorrow?
<nikolar>
heat where's the GOGDEM
<nikolar>
At your place?
<heat>
gog's place obviously
<gog>
he's petting breki for freedom too
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<Shaddox404>
Just wanted to share, I was around here last june iirc. I have now created a minimal OS, where it boots up, goes into 64 bit mode and then starts a single process. Discussions that happened here motivated me to pursue writing the code, and I am grateful for that.
<heat>
congrats :)
<Shaddox404>
Hello heat, i remember you!
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<nikolar>
Everyone knows heat
<sortiecat>
Yay Shaddox404 :)
<gog>
hi
<gog>
good work Shaddox404
<Shaddox404>
Thank you! I will make it open source soon with some notes and documentation I made so it will help anyone who wants to understand what's going on
<Shaddox404>
I remember you gog
<gog>
oh yeah?
<gog>
was i helpful or annoying?
<zid`>
ᓚᘏᗢ
* gog
petpet
<Shaddox404>
gog it was helpful
<gog>
doesn't sound like me
<Shaddox404>
I remember that conversation about Microkernels vs Monolithic, rust being the future of kernel programming language (or rather, the preferred language used for writing kernels)
<zid`>
sounds more like you were talking to the schizo crowd
<gog>
i don't think i've written a single line of rust :|
<zid`>
I tried
<zid`>
I failed
<Shaddox404>
for me it was sort of easy, although I am still in the basics
<GeDaMo>
Shaddox404: is your kernel in Rust?
<Shaddox404>
no, in x64 assembly and C
<Shaddox404>
I remember someone from this IRC telling that MS Windows is the close to being a microkernel, I am positive about that
<zid`>
that isn't what they said
<zid`>
The NT projected *started* as one, then rapidly stopped
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<zid`>
So it still has some project-structure-holdovers
<Shaddox404>
Oh? 👀
<GeDaMo>
Would L4 not be closer to being a microkernel given that it's a microkernel? :|
<Shaddox404>
But didnt they move many things from the kernel space to user space since Win Vista?
<GeDaMo>
I seem to remember NT having to move the graphics drivers into the kernel for performance reasons
<Shaddox404>
Yes, DWM is now in userspace iirc
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<gog>
there are two parts for graphics drivers now, a kernel mode and user mode component
<gog>
the user mode component can crash and be recovered gracefully by the kernel mode component
<Shaddox404>
Also GeDaMo, I didn't write any kernel code in Rust, I use Java or python for my projects. I was just testing rust to see how the language was
<Shaddox404>
Oh, i responded to your message previously, my bad!
<Shaddox404>
Oh, i see
<Shaddox404>
Wait, does MINIX have any proper desktop env/UIs?
<bslsk05>
mike632t.wordpress.com: Installing X windows on MINIX 3 | Notes on Linux
<Shaddox404>
Thanks
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* geist
yawns
<geist>
hiya germs
<geist>
aww, shaddox is gone
<geist>
was gonna grats em
<heat>
did you just call me a germ
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<heat>
two geists!
<geist-sdf>
heh yeah. i have been meaning to use this irssi more from sdf.org
<geist-sdf>
not that irccloud doesn't work perfectly fine, but it's more street cred
<heat>
i can't irssi from onyx now, it's just crashing mysteriously
<heat>
/bin/sh is also crashing, it is quite weird
<gog>
hi geist-sdf
<pog>
hi geist
<geist>
hiya!
<geist>
one is my innie, and one is my outie
<gog>
haaa
<geist>
actually no, my innie is @travisg
<gog>
i see you're enjoying severance too
<geist>
yah watched S1 back in the day, rewatching it now. it's soooo good
<gog>
S2 isout
<geist>
yah was rewatching in prep for S2
<gog>
or rather it's started
<geist>
yah
<heat>
considering google just offered severance to a bunch of teams
<heat>
i got really fucking confused
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<gog>
lol
<geist>
well also yeah, it's a pretty twisted and not entirely unrealistic thing
<geist>
that's what makes it hit good
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<geist>
just watched a fun one from DamiLee, she does good architecture style analysis of stuff https://youtu.be/HLeU4BF2s4o
<geist>
but yeah severance the show is brilliant. the metaphors it spins are not particularly contrived to, but they work on a few levels, so it's still pretty deep
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<gog>
i ahve an actual programming question
<gog>
say i have an inline assembly "lea label(%rip), %rax"
<gog>
why did it remove the double percent signs
<gog>
anyhow, what if i wanted to use a placeholder %3 say and then define a "g" constraint
<gog>
do i need to specify a variable it refers to or can i leave that out?
<gog>
instead of "g"(whatever), just "g"
<gog>
i don't have any particular need to use rax here
<gog>
so i'd rather not have to use a specific register and have to mention it in the clobber list
<gog>
"+g" i guess it would be
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<zid`>
'g' just means "anything"
<zid`>
so if you did "g" (42) it might be mov eax, 42 and be "%eax" or it might be "42" or it might be "dword ptr [fortytwo]"
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<zid`>
depending on where it felt the best place to get that 42 from was
<gog>
ok i'd want "+r" there then
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<gog>
but i don't need the value outside of the assembly template
<zid`>
r is put it in a reg then it evalutes to that reg's name
<zid`>
why + it then if you don't need it afterwards?
<gog>
because it's goign to be pushed
<zid`>
?
<zid`>
push doesn't write
<zid`>
to the register
<gog>
hang on i'll paste it
<gog>
in fact, no, i won't, i'm just going to try it and see if it works
<gog>
:D
<zid`>
+r is "I want the value in this reg, but also, I am going to destroy it, so technically, give me just a copy"
<zid`>
vs r which is "I want the value in this reg, I won't destroy it"
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<heat>
i have an actual operating systems question too
<heat>
obviously getting the time from an rtc is kinda fucked because of the 1s imprecision
<heat>
however, would it a decent idea to periodically poll the rtc chip waiting for the second to roll over, and register *that*?
<zid`>
spend an entire second of your boot process polling it until it ticks over
<zid`>
sounds like a good plan
<heat>
not necessarily
<heat>
you can get a timer to do it every milli or every 10 millis or use the RTC's irq functionality or alarm functionality
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<zid`>
alarm sounds like it might work okay
<heat>
like some sort of internal best effort calibration
<heat>
it might Just Work
<heat>
decently enough
<gog>
ok no it wants an expression after the constraint definition
<gog>
so i can't just leave it blank
<zid`>
I think the cmos might actually take like.. quite a while to update though
<zid`>
like a crappy LCD
<zid`>
gog: like, ofc?
<zid`>
int bob; bob = ;
<zid`>
"I want the value of this in a register" "Okay, what value?" "Fuck you, I'm not a snitch"
<gog>
it's an output value
<gog>
but i don't need it outside of the template
<zid`>
"I want this value in an output variabble" "Okay, what variable" "Fuck you, I'm not a snitch"
<zid`>
:p
<gog>
yes
<nikolar>
how's it an output if you don't want it
<zid`>
I'm not seeing a problem with yea just.. not specifying an output
<gog>
it's an output into the next line
<gog>
i'll paste it
<nikolar>
so you have two asm blocks or something?
<heat>
zid`, if the cmos fucking sucks then yeah, that idea is dead in the water